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Figgis
01 Aug 23 11:08
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The Racing Post say CMA promises to dominate the staying scene for a long time. Timeform say he has the potential to be one of the best stayers of recent years. I thought that, while very stylish, it was just an average Gold Cup winning performance. It was nowhere near the likes of Stradivarius or ****. It still gives him a good winning chance in this field. However, I don't have him far in front of a few of these on their best form. I think at the price he is poor value so will be a layer today.
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Report roadrunner46 August 1, 2023 3:39 PM BST
Oh no, have it in a 200 double, will see, haven’t seen the ascot gold cup race, one of us will win
Report Howellsy August 1, 2023 3:43 PM BST
Figgis, is this a straight lay? Would you mitigate the potential losses by part-laying anything else? Who in particular do you have in mind as likely to finish in front, or are you just banking on an under-performance without a strong view in the race?
Report Figgis August 1, 2023 3:56 PM BST
Hi Howellsy, it is just a straight lay of the fav. I reckon there are a few in here that have shown better form than him when on a good day, but I wouldn't be confident about any of them running their race. I actually even believe that Coltrane, who he beat last time, has shown slightly better form at his peak, but was a little off that in the Gold Cup. Because of CMA's recent figures I also think there's a chance he could run below form today, but I'm not banking on that. Basically I'm just hoping that any of the others I have rated higher in the past can perform today. And that CMA isn't better than I think he is Wink
Report Howellsy August 1, 2023 4:19 PM BST
I suppose on the one hand you'd say that with normal improvement the fav should be a few pounds better than these now, but you are always aware of the possibility of a hard race having an effect, perhaps especially in his case as it would have been a huge step up in class. It's also possible he was slightly flattered by passing horses quite late after they had been going hard for a couple of furlongs. It's a no bet race for me, but I am laying a lot more often these days.
Report Figgis August 1, 2023 4:24 PM BST
Howellsy, actually I think the fav has reached a peak, at least in the short term. And it's not even a particularly high peak. So I don't think he'll improve past some of these. The main concern is that the horses that I believe have performed better than him either aren't coming here in top form, or are in and out performers, or have had a hard race or two.
Report roadrunner46 August 1, 2023 4:41 PM BST
WD, annoying should had a saver on the winner, israr form looked good, rest of them looked same crap
Report Howellsy August 1, 2023 4:58 PM BST
Well done Figgis - I doubt you had a moment's concern.
Report roadrunner46 August 1, 2023 5:05 PM BST
Placed layed it in all the markets, hedge against the win lay part, you would of cleaned up ,crossed my mind
Report Figgis August 1, 2023 5:27 PM BST
Ta. But would you believe I still had mixed emotions watching the race? Strictly on this year's form I had Quickthorn highest rated and didn't have a penny on. Backed him last time, but even as I was looking in disbelief at his price today I thought he's probably not going to back that performance up Crazy
Report roadrunner46 August 1, 2023 5:32 PM BST
My model for picking winners spotting horses I know in the profile, jumped off the page, sometimes happens just miss out on a good opportunities, make so many decisions all day, can just wear down the brains performance
Report Howellsy August 1, 2023 6:31 PM BST
That's the way it goes Figgis. Still, you put your view up here and collected.
Report sageform August 4, 2023 10:26 AM BST
Yet another horse whose big reputation relied on a single run,. And in his case it was in the 2.5 mile Gold Cup, a distance very rarely run. Coltrane is a decent staying horse but he probably didn't get 2.5 miles at Ascot and was well beaten again at Goodwood. The staying division looks sub standard unless you think that this was the real Quickthorn who will sweep the board in future Cup races.
Report impossible123 September 29, 2023 5:48 PM BST
What happened to this horse? I thought he was vying for fav in the Cadran. Now, he's missing altogether.
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