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FOYLESWAR
15 Oct 20 14:14
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red hot fav and unbeaten palace pier is the one to beat,odds on  progressive and frankie up he will take all the beating after impressive wins in group1s the last twice, never be afraid of 1 horse though and another progressive one from the same yard is nazeef who has made up into a very smart 4 yo winning the group 1 sun chariot last time . has won on all types of going and more importantly has winning course form ,by all accounts dont do a lot at home but one of those that seem to save it for the track . the fav might be too good but this  one  is 12/1  and we dont really know how good she is  and can be backed each way .
selection nazeef ....12/1 each way good luck opinions encouraged ......stand back and stand by!

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By:
nocturnal
When: 16 Oct 20 09:34
(Thestatsdontlie)

11/12 age 3 or 4
6/12  fav
11/12 top 3 betting
9/12 won lto
8/12 ran within 35 days
4/12 won ascot
8/12 won over 8f
10/12 min 8 flat runs
9/12 min 4 flat wins
9/12 rated 120 or above
8/12 won group 1
10/12 min 4 runs current season
11/12 won current season

Palace Pier looks rock solid on ratings,superb in the James Palace.

Can he be beaten ?

Benbatl and Ribchester were both beaten off similar ratings,Roaring Lion scraped home by a neck.

Three questions for the group racing experts on here,there are plenty.

1 Is that 126 OR based purely on the st james palace,and is it accurate ?

2 His french success says it was heavy,the time says 2.56 slow,do they use a similar standard time to us ?

3 If it does get close,does this lad have the required experience to dig it out.

Race of the day for me,regardless of our betting stance.
By:
A_T
When: 16 Oct 20 10:10
PP looks very short to me. 14 is a big field for a mile around Ascot - traffic problems quite possible. at the prices would prefer the French horse
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 16 Oct 20 10:27
yes noc he does look rock solid and   my first thoughts were to leave this race as it looked his for the taking,  he is without doubt the most likely winner but my natural instinct is to take the shorties on .   the time boys will know better than me about the time on that going but it does seem to suggest that it may have been soft rather than heavy imo .
By:
FELTFAIR
When: 16 Oct 20 11:33
When I saw Frankel  win the QEii it was on the straight course.
By:
impossible123
When: 16 Oct 20 14:52
PP is the banker, I believe; his form is solid. The French horse needs to improve loads to be sighted; Circus Maximus for the fc.
By:
brigust1
When: 16 Oct 20 15:45
I have to agree with Imp123 PP looks as good an 8/11 shot as you will get. The ground on the straight course is usually better than the forecast going and there are no dark horses to worry about. He has been lightly raced and this has been his target for a long time. I hate betting odds on shots but, famous last words, this one looks as risk free as is possible.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 16 Oct 20 19:02
Was tempted to have a large e/w on The Revenant but instead have thrown away (literallyLaugh) a few quid on Roseman and Escobar on here at huge prices.Crazy
By:
giggitygiggity
When: 16 Oct 20 20:04
I dont think it's a very competitive race..especially compared to the champion stakes..quite a lot of sh1t running. Obviously Palace pier has to be the selection.
By:
Figgis
When: 16 Oct 20 23:32
My own assessment of the ground when PP won at Deauville was soft, nowhere near very soft or borderline heavy, just soft.

For me, the horse with the best form in the book is Circus Maximus, but in light of his last two efforts it would be difficult to back him with any confidence as his form has dropped right away since his first two runs this season.

I agree with A_T that Palace Pier is too short. At first I thought he had improved at Deauville but after further analysis I don't believe he did. Nevertheless, that form puts him only behind the currently out of form Circus Maximus, in my view, so obviously still gives him a great chance. However, as I have said before I think it's difficult for most horses to run fast repeatedly on multiple occasions when giving their all. PP may prove to be one of the exceptions, or he may simply have had more in the tank than I think, and in his favour he has had 62 days rest, but I have to oppose him at these odds. I did toy with the idea of backing Nazeef, but I can't be completely confident how she will run here after a busy season so will settle for laying the fav.
By:
A_T
When: 17 Oct 20 07:55
I thought this was on the round course but seems I was wrong. So is this race always run on the straight now - avoiding the "Willie Carson" route?

On the straight course I'd be more confident in PP but I still like the Revenant - second last year and should like the ground.
By:
penzance
When: 17 Oct 20 10:34
The Revenant 2nd in this last year
and holds a few of todays runners
on the book.Looks to have been saved
for this race by connections.Think
they will be disappointed if he don't
run a big one today.@11/2 looks a
cracking E/W bet to me.
   GL ALL
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 17 Oct 20 13:39
had a  saver on circus maximus 2 pound better off with the fav could get closer this time tough and a decent horse on his day .good course form in the book.around 10s
By:
brigust1
When: 17 Oct 20 13:52
I have backed this fav and had a saver on Nazeef. I don't think she is good enough but I do like the fillies on very soft ground and I would be gutted if she beat me.
By:
nocturnal
When: 17 Oct 20 13:54
Backed 3

Roseman,Molatham and Lord Glitters.

GL All
By:
brigust1
When: 17 Oct 20 14:13
WD Figgis. I got that wrong. Frankie looking down a lot but he did ask him a lot. Perhaps the three-year-olds aren't up to much after all.
By:
A_T
When: 17 Oct 20 14:17
Gosden's stars have clearly gone for the season. The Arc, Strad today, now PP. Doubt Mishriff will even be placed.
By:
brigust1
When: 17 Oct 20 14:18
phuck it lost a shoe.
By:
nocturnal
When: 17 Oct 20 14:20
Well Done Penzance
By:
brigust1
When: 17 Oct 20 14:25
Yes WD winners and hard luck Noc.
By:
A_T
When: 17 Oct 20 14:29
Gosden said Stradivarius lost 2 shoes so I'm not sure what's going on there
By:
penzance
When: 17 Oct 20 14:35
think Gosden blamed the ground,'ran as
though he'd lost 2 front shoes'.
Could've heard wrong,though.
By:
Figgis
When: 17 Oct 20 15:25
Cheers brig Wink
By:
penzance
When: 17 Oct 20 17:06
nocturnal
  tx
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 17 Oct 20 20:13
well done winners
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 17 Oct 20 20:16
well done figgis and penzance , futurity next  week to look forward to !
By:
nocturnal
When: 18 Oct 20 12:07
Somehow missed A-T out on my post Whoops ..... well played.
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