Juddmonte International

Leave out Kameko then if you thought his Derby and Sussex runs were judicious. Nevertheless, I do not think he'd have beaten Mohaather in the Sussex either. The Juddmonte could be his optimum trip if his jockey develops a bit more faith and confidence in him. But, will he win? I think he'd if Gosden and Lord North are absent.

I'm still not a fan of Ghaiyyath despite his Eclipse win.

Funny, I'm torn between Ghaiyyath and Kameko and I was thinking that if I had to have a bet, which I wont, it would be to lay Magical!

Brigust, I can't get away from the sectional times that he put up in the Coronation, I tend to listen to what the right people say and I remember a good judge of the clock, whose name escapes me, saying that Ghaiyyath would probably have beaten anything on that day. Charlie Appleby, one of the most straight talking trainers we have, has said that Ghaiyyath has come of age and waxes lyrical about him. He could turn out to be the best of the older horses this year. As far as the 3 year olds are concerned, again the comments from Murphy and Balding after Kameko's guineas were compelling and I really believe that there's a lot more to come.
I wont have a bet as any one of the 4 main principles could win and the ground could yet play a part, I just hope the race is as good as we think it will be, Good luck with Magical

Hype? That hype earned me a grand in the Eclipse! We'll know more after today wont we.

From what I've seen most ratings firms have Ghaiyyath improving from the CC to the Eclipse and have him as a better than typical Eclipse winner. Whereas I have him running to the exact same mark in both races and rate him just an up to par Eclipse winner. You never know how tough and consistent any horse is going to be until it keeps doing it on the track. Ghaiyyath might be tougher than most but I will usually play the percentages and I think it's odds on that Ghaiyyath will regress somewhat from his recent form.

I still believe Kameko is a below average Guineas winner, so reckon he needs to improve again to take this. Magical has been remarkably consistent and I reckon including her allowance her very best form is as good as Ghaiyyath's. However, I already have her running very close to peak first time out this year. I have seen no improvement from 4 to 5 and her last effort saw her drop a few pounds. I don't pass her over easily as she definitely has the form in the book, but I'm thinking that as her level appears to have plateaued her best days are more likely to be behind her.

For me, Lord North was a revelation in the POW. I have him improving over a stone on what he did last year and matching the level Ghaiyyath has shown . I think the time comparison with the Hampton Court is very misleading. He looks very likely to run his race again and I am backing him pretty confidently.

Very poor reading of the race on my part. Ghaiyyath better than I'd given him credit for and Lord North not even close to the same class. Well done winners.

Yes WD winners but why is racing not straightforward. The meeting started with runners ignoring the inside rail even Ghaiyyath ignored it but all of the others didn't. Inconclusive for me until I see the other races. I thought it was a known fact to ignore the inside at York when it rains. Buick knew.

Brigust, Pyledriver scooted up the rail. Good horses win from anywhere.

impossible, I'll tell you why I'm always on your back, it was your arrogant reply when In put up Ghaiyyath as a good bet at 5/1 to win the Eclipse. "I'm not a fan of Ghaiyyath because he's just too inconsistent to be considered a serious challenger here." You were still at it after he won the Eclipse, you knew better that Charlie Appleby who told us all how much he'd improved mentally this year. I'm afraid you got under my skin and although I didn't have a bet yesterday, I was so pleased to see Ghaiyyath do it again and shut the doubters up.

Maybe not Felt but when you see Pyledriver bolt up running down the very same strip of ground it does make you wonder. And it is a known fact to avoid the far rail and they were right up against it from before the 2f marker with Kameko right against the rail. Jockeys are little men that can ride, they don't always need brains. And the pundits at the course never mentioned it, just hype, that is all we seem to get nowadays.

Perhaps the others were staying away from the winner to kid him into thinking he`d done enough.

Irrespective of your posts on races it's neither here nor there with me. This's horse racing thus opinions aplenty similarly, so-called professional pundits/presenters, I generally ignore. If they were repeatedly profitable (like those in the City) they would be maximising their knowledge and not be feeding from the bookies trough and working in the media, period.

Regards Enable: If I'd known or Gosden was more forthcoming with her well-being and fitness eg taking more time to get fit, and only 80% ready for The Eclipse I probably would have gone for Ghaiyyath too given his fitness advantage. But world beater I still believe Ghaiyyath is not; he's a better horse than last season, I'd agree.

And it looks like the only horse on the rails finished last.

Keep on digging impossible123.

He will be flattered by this result and a lot shorter next time so may be opposable.

Brig, you`re becoming obsessed. Ghaiyyath and Love would have won whereever they went and the others could do nothing about it.

ghaiyyath won well  and the probable best of the older horses over this distance but theres another who is red hot over the 10f trip and still progressing and could be one to put it up to ghayyath if they were to meet , jgs french derby winner  mishraff ,impressive turn of foot and a battler and  would certainly make it interesting .looks a serious horse.

You could be right Foyles especially if the going is on the soft side. All I was going was pointing out the clear track bias when York has rain. You don't know before the race how the jockeys will ride the track unfortunately because if I knew beforehand that Moore and Murphy would head for the far rail I would have lumped on the winner. The good thing is, I suppose that their defeats may mean they will be a better price next time whereas the winner's price will be shorter than it should. Jockey's baffle me sometimes.
The next day Moore steers clear of the inside on Love while her opponents went up the rail. It is almost as if they are saying how can we make these good things look better than they really are?