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18 Jun 19
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cracking race in store, as much as i have always liked the filly magical she is very short here.
i'd say she has improved a tad from last year without meeting a decent horse, she could do no more than she has and won well last time, however do you really want to take 2/1 on here about her?? i don't but respect her chances after a perfect preparation...she will like the ground, so no surprise if she wins
sea of class another filly whom i have always liked has to be respected and the trainer is in good nick, the rain is a tad of an unknown for her and this is a big race to win off a lay off but this has always been the aim, i have her as a much better filly than magical, however the other filly has had a perfect prep and sea of class has not run, so will be tricky, i can see her progressing again at 4 and very much respect her chances here
crystal ocean has looked in good form this season...i'm still struggling with him as an individual though...last year i was sure he chucked it in in the king george and then just refused to do any running against enable hanging and looking a difficult ride to my eyes, anyway i didn't like it, maybe the king george just finished him. i can't get my head round the horse and in all fairness he brings the best rating to the table but i'm still not sure he is a regressive type, his form this season is ok beating some ok types in lower grade and doing it well. i know figgis liked him last year for some end of season races, so interested to know what you think tomorrow pal
anyway another horse whom i have struggled with down the last 2 years is waldgiest, however i have him improving in a major way in the prix ganay and it is quite possible he has finally become a proper race horse and i liked the way he was ridden last time as well, it looked like they wanted to make use of him before ghaiyyath gave him a nice lead in a well run race, anyway i liked it and had it as big improvement from last season so have played him
zabeel prince is no mug so will be interesting to see how he will handles the distance, no doubt o'brien will want a pace for his filly to run at, so the race should be run to suit all
i'd say she has improved a tad from last year without meeting a decent horse, she could do no more than she has and won well last time, however do you really want to take 2/1 on here about her?? i don't but respect her chances after a perfect preparation...she will like the ground, so no surprise if she wins
sea of class another filly whom i have always liked has to be respected and the trainer is in good nick, the rain is a tad of an unknown for her and this is a big race to win off a lay off but this has always been the aim, i have her as a much better filly than magical, however the other filly has had a perfect prep and sea of class has not run, so will be tricky, i can see her progressing again at 4 and very much respect her chances here
crystal ocean has looked in good form this season...i'm still struggling with him as an individual though...last year i was sure he chucked it in in the king george and then just refused to do any running against enable hanging and looking a difficult ride to my eyes, anyway i didn't like it, maybe the king george just finished him. i can't get my head round the horse and in all fairness he brings the best rating to the table but i'm still not sure he is a regressive type, his form this season is ok beating some ok types in lower grade and doing it well. i know figgis liked him last year for some end of season races, so interested to know what you think tomorrow pal
anyway another horse whom i have struggled with down the last 2 years is waldgiest, however i have him improving in a major way in the prix ganay and it is quite possible he has finally become a proper race horse and i liked the way he was ridden last time as well, it looked like they wanted to make use of him before ghaiyyath gave him a nice lead in a well run race, anyway i liked it and had it as big improvement from last season so have played him
zabeel prince is no mug so will be interesting to see how he will handles the distance, no doubt o'brien will want a pace for his filly to run at, so the race should be run to suit all
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The Arc for me is the key race and any of the protagonists in that race could obviously win. Like you I will take a chance on Waldgeist on the basis that the weight for age difference has now gone. Obviously Magical and Sea of Class could have improved to compensate but at the prices I`ll back the French colt each way.
Harry, I agree with you about Magical improving a bit from last year, ignoring any wfa allowances she had as a 3yo I have her improving 5lbs from last year. At first I thought she may have improved again last time as she put more distance between herself and Flag of Honour but came to the conclusion it was FoH that had run worse. For me she's about 5lbs short of recent top class 4yo fillies like The Fugue and Snow Fairy.
As to Sea Of Class, it's back to the wfa factor again. In my view she needs to improve 7lbs from 3 to 4 just to match Magical. She might improve that or even more, but look at Lah Ti Dar this season, she didn't improve a jot at York then went backwards. I have no interest in backing such a runner at this kind of price until it shows it's improved in real terms from 3 to 4.
As you've probably guessed Crystal Ocean is the one I'm backing. His King George second last year was better than anything else on show here, in my opinion. Stoute has managed to pick up a couple of Gp3s with him so far without having to fully extend him so I'm expecting a big effort to be still in the tank. You never know, Stoute might even be able to get a bit more out of him as a 5yo, as he did with Poet's Word last year. Although I'm not expecting a run as good as that, which for me was the fastest 10f performance in recent years bar Frankel. Even if he only matches last year's KG form I see him as the one to beat.
As to Sea Of Class, it's back to the wfa factor again. In my view she needs to improve 7lbs from 3 to 4 just to match Magical. She might improve that or even more, but look at Lah Ti Dar this season, she didn't improve a jot at York then went backwards. I have no interest in backing such a runner at this kind of price until it shows it's improved in real terms from 3 to 4.
As you've probably guessed Crystal Ocean is the one I'm backing. His King George second last year was better than anything else on show here, in my opinion. Stoute has managed to pick up a couple of Gp3s with him so far without having to fully extend him so I'm expecting a big effort to be still in the tank. You never know, Stoute might even be able to get a bit more out of him as a 5yo, as he did with Poet's Word last year. Although I'm not expecting a run as good as that, which for me was the fastest 10f performance in recent years bar Frankel. Even if he only matches last year's KG form I see him as the one to beat.
Have backed Crystal Ocean at 10/1 and 8/1 several weeks back but obviously the ground is a big worry. I envisoned him being given a positive ride from the front, kicking a couple clear off the bend (like in the King George last year) and then being hard to pass.
I've put up an in running lay at 3/1 to cover my whole stake.
I also felt 10f would be too sharp for Sea Of Class, but the ground obviously changes the dynamics. I bet Haggas is kicking himself for not having Addeyybb in this now.
I've put up an in running lay at 3/1 to cover my whole stake.
I also felt 10f would be too sharp for Sea Of Class, but the ground obviously changes the dynamics. I bet Haggas is kicking himself for not having Addeyybb in this now.
Uncle, the ground was pretty fast for the first few races yesterday so even though the rain slowed it later and they were kicking the top off it was still no worse than good by the time of the last race. The trouble was they started off describing the ground as good (good to soft in places), when the times show clearly it was good to firm even on the round course. As long as there isn't a lot more rain this afternoon there shouldn't be an excuse for any of them on that score.
figgis i know we have discussed before but have a sieve of a memory
on the king george did you still rate it as highly for poets word as you did for the prince of wales?? i had him regressing off that run markedly from the prince of wales peak. i don't want to knock crystal ocean to much as he is best in here but i didn't rate the king george as high as i did the prince of wales and obviously i thought poets just wanted it more hence the win and ocean just wanted to hang and should of been much the best on that day...no doubt he will poke me in the eye today and in all fairness he should
i can't believe i've come down on waldgiest myself as have never liked the horse much either
lets hope i haven't fecked my ratings up in a tight knit affair in all fairness
on the king george did you still rate it as highly for poets word as you did for the prince of wales?? i had him regressing off that run markedly from the prince of wales peak. i don't want to knock crystal ocean to much as he is best in here but i didn't rate the king george as high as i did the prince of wales and obviously i thought poets just wanted it more hence the win and ocean just wanted to hang and should of been much the best on that day...no doubt he will poke me in the eye today and in all fairness he should
i can't believe i've come down on waldgiest myself as have never liked the horse much either
lets hope i haven't fecked my ratings up in a tight knit affair in all fairness
Harry, no I had PW 6lbs lower for the KG. I didn't really expect him to exactly match the POW run, especially over 12f, but it was still a top class run. Both horses regressed after that race, which wasn't too surprising. I think CO is a horse who is only ever going to show his full ability off a strong pace. Hopefully we get that today. If I was in the Coolmore camp I'd be thinking I'd want to maximise the filly's allowance by making sure of a true pace.
yes no doubt they will fire hunting horn here if not i'm not sure who it will suit tbh
agree about king george and like you say it can still be good enough here for the horse, i would go as far to say he won't get a better opportunity if the pace is sound but that also goes for pretty much all the fancied runners
agree about king george and like you say it can still be good enough here for the horse, i would go as far to say he won't get a better opportunity if the pace is sound but that also goes for pretty much all the fancied runners
well done figgis and punkle...it may just be me but looks very hard to make up any ground but good ride from frankie and best horse won
Ta Howellsy, makes up for the brain fart I had yesterday on the King's Stand 
Just a quick qustion for the form and time lads on here.
In your opinion, in relation to Ascot 10f races, is it easier for a miler to step up in trip and a 12f horse to step down in trip here morn than any other course? I'm thinking along the lines of Falbrav, Rewilding and Poets Word ( there could be others too), in recent years...have an inkling that longchamp maybe throws up similar results.
In your opinion, in relation to Ascot 10f races, is it easier for a miler to step up in trip and a 12f horse to step down in trip here morn than any other course? I'm thinking along the lines of Falbrav, Rewilding and Poets Word ( there could be others too), in recent years...have an inkling that longchamp maybe throws up similar results.
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