Tingle Creek

twonky • November 22, 2018 10:00 AM GMT
If Might Bite is reminiscent of practically ever other top class 3rd season Henderson chaser, then his best days are behind him. The record of gold cup winners fto the following season is poor so he's off the list which leaves BDM, who's 3/3 at Haydock by a total of 111 lengths. He put up the best form figure last season of any horse over 3m and will be primed for this as all his best form is before Xmas. Admittedly softer ground would be better, but he has some decent form on gs.

nocturnal • November 22, 2018 12:29 PM GMT
Insightful Twonky

Ahoy 1982 • November 25, 2018 8:56 AM GMT
Very interesting as regards Hendersons 3rd season chasers Teonky! Can you give many examples? Obviously sprinter bucked the trend.

twonky • November 26, 2018 10:23 AM GMT
Ahoy1982

I can't take credit for the Henderson post as it was in a book I read a few years ago, proberley prior to Sacre Sprinter..the book was basically about the traits of certain trainers, saying mainly they were creatures of habit. A few that I remember were to back Geoff Wragg 2yos 2nd time out over 5 or 6f, Roger Charlton maidens having their 2nd run at York and the Henderson one.

Regarding Sprinter Sacre, you are correct, but in all honesty, his comeback year was not a stellar one for 2 milers which is proofed by his rpr's to his best days. Now regarding Might Bite, to me his run was not surprising. What was disappointing was the comments by connections and blaming the fences, when in reality on the whole his jumping was no worse than the other 4 in the race, until push came to shove and he was taken out of his comfort zone and he reverted back to his novice days, which should be alarming for anyone thinking of betting him at Kempton.

I have no idea as to why his chasers act in this way, when his hurdlers can maintain their form for longer. Ims, the cut off point for his top class chasers was 4/5 grade 1 wins. Next up is Altior, who is a 3rd season chaser and has 5 grade 1s to his name and if the Henderson theory runs true, then he must be taken on this season.


twonky, an interesting angle

Just watch how many winners Chemical Nicholas has tomorrow. Always a good indicator how he does at Newbury.

Still looks like the big 3 are still going to Sandown. Setting up to be a cracking race.

Un De Sceaux reportedly likely to turn up......could be as good as the Fighting Fifth last week.

Very tempted ew first 3 on Sceau Royal & St Calvados, and hope the bad weather puts paid to the Irish crossing over........and we get 4 or 5 runners.

UDS could be this race bound (again) similarly last year except rerouted to a non-entity race back home in the Hilly Way Chase at Cork at the last minute despite no Altior then. But this year more likely to turn-up here even in the presence of Altior (betting market suggests that too) as Mullins have Great Field (McManus) and Min (Ricci),...playing 2nd fiddle again to the big owners?

UDS would be interesting if it keeps raining.

Duffy,

Agreed, he's the biggest threat to Altior in my opinion.

There's certainly going to be some pace up front.

If Great Field takes his chance there will be only one horse leading

Great race.
Love Altior and hope hes impressive.
Love UDS as well,and hope he runs a big race.Will have conditions by the looks of it.
Calvados and SR are no slouches either.
Cant wait!!

Looks a real hot renewal, let's hope there's no last minute "stone bruises"!!

Footpad aside you wouldn't see a better CC itself.

I like Saint Calvados .

uds here

I also love UDS but can’t have him today against Altior or the two youngsters. I still think one of the new kids will win today with fitness a massive advantage over ratings.

I just hope Sceau finishes in the first 3 for my antepost bet

Altior for me, but with this ground would not be shocked if UDS won.

Sceau Royal not good enough, Un De Sceaux was possibly good enough but not now, Saint Calvados flatters to deceive. Lot of media hype about a one horse race.

I think UDS is too long in the tooth this year; the ground is to his liking, but the turn-out could be too insurmountable. H should have won it last year if given the opportunity, I firmly believe.

UDS was definitely good enough to win a Tingle Creek, but beating Altior at his age,i see that Auto.
Find out later.

Yes I mean beating Altior, UDS has done his own talking over the years. Hope it's a good race.

It doesn't get ayny better than that , the magnificent UDS doing everything he could to beat Altior .

That is the type of race that ratings should come.

Yep,thrashed the other two out of sight.
Great run from UDS but Altior is different class.

reckon altior  at least 7 pound above his rating ,if extended would pull out plenty more !

Interesting reading.

Visually impressive,Altior is a wonderful horse,racing needs superstars,he,s right up there.

Not difficult to argue that was his worst performance in recent times.

4 seconds slower than the novice chase run an hour earlier,against an ageing rival running at a trip arguably short of his best.

He was entitled to win that well yesterday,just how fit he was we do not know,he remains full of potential at a variety of distances,just how good is he ?

Did we see two top class novice chasers in that Henry V111,time will tell.

Never going to happen.....but

2 miles,cheltenham,good to soft......Altior v Buveur Dair

A re-run of their meeting in the supreme as young horses,what a race that would be,who wins ?

think altior would be the guvnor again

Over fences 100% it will be Altior, and possibly hurdles too on the Supreme running; Buveur D'Air just ain't as good over fences as hurdles despite winning two.

Evening Foyles

Aye,that would be my stance too,Hendo glows talking about this horse,rightly so.

Where does he rank in the stables long line of top class horses?

Think I might go to the Queen Mother this year, just to see him,worth the admission alone.

If it was a match Altior wins every time in my mind as he sits behind and surges home after the last but if there was something setting a gruelling gallop for both of them from the start Buveur D’Air would do it with faster hurdling. It’s an interesting question as I think it’s helpful to try and envisage how any race might pan out - easier with just the two though.

hi noc i did reply earlier but it seems i put my reply on a different thread ,think he rates up there with  the best hendo has trained ,i reckon he could be a good 7-10 lb better than his rating

nocturnal 09 Dec 18 18:09 
Hendo glows talking about this horse,rightly so.


He used to cry talking about Sprinter