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20 Jun 18 17:54
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Kew Gardens has been catapulted into 7/1 2nd fav behind the Derby runner-up Dee Ex Bee 6/1 after a polished performance in the Queen Vase over the Leger distance. But there could be another AOB lively candidate in the King Edward VII Stakes on friday in Delano Roosevelt 14/1 who finished 6th at Epsom.

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By:
FELTFAIR
When: 20 Jun 18 18:40
So insightful Bungle.
By:
impossible123
When: 22 Jun 18 12:11
No significant support for Delano Roosevelt (yet) but I believe she's a shoo-in for the King Edward VII Stakes at Royal Ascot today. If winning well he'd be better supported than here than Kew Gardens given their respective positions at Epsom.
By:
impossible123
When: 30 Jun 18 23:08
A much better run from Delano Roosevelt (4th), and The Pentagon who was finishing the best (from last) to be 5th in the Irish Derby to confound his critics who thought he'd not stay 12f after Epsom; Latrobe winner of the Irish Derby has been matched at 21 (here) and only quoted by some bookies at 6/1 - doubtful runner perhaps.

Dee Ex Bee has drifted to 13 (here) and 10 (from 11/2) with bookies, but Kew Gardens firmed along with Delano Roosevelt and The Pentagon.
By:
impossible123
When: 01 Jul 18 17:41
Giuseppi Garibaldi one of the fancies from AOB's stable has just been beaten by his stablemate Flag Of Honour over The Leger trip in Ireland; AOB could have a stranglehold on this Classic come raceday.
By:
Lance in France
When: 03 Jul 18 09:24
I have nailed my colours to the mask of Dee Ex Bee at 10/1 EW with Lads. Trainer has outright stated that this race is his target and will plan backwards from it with a race schedule. The Irish Derby appeared disappointing at first viewing but watching it again the horse was just getting going inside the furlong (no hope of winning at that stage) on the rails and had to check in his run otherwise would have finished closer. MJ said DEB wasn't keen on the firm ground and all in all it was a satisfactory trial for a horse who hopefully will relish the extra 2 furlongs and has the race as his target. 10/1 seems very fair to me and this is an attempt to get my September dough back!
By:
unclepuncle
When: 03 Jul 18 09:39
I’m on The Pentagon from pre season at 25/1 so was nice to see him run so well in the Irish Derby - though I wish he’d been ridden to win it.
I also took the 12/1 on Hunting Horn straight after his Ascot win but purely with a view to lay off for a freebie.

I’ve also backed Wells Farhh Go @ 33/1 - reminds me of Bollin Eric.

The Great Voltigeur is usually the key trial race, though winning it isn’t essential. Young Rascal might be one for that but the Leger trip may stretch him.
By:
impossible123
When: 10 Jul 18 13:01
The fav Kew Gardens has been matched at 7.8, a full point longer - nothing amiss I hope.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 12 Jul 18 13:58
A pleasing result in the Bahrain Trophy.Grin
By:
sintonian
When: 13 Jul 18 11:02
Was really surprised you could still get 14/1 about WFG after his impressive win yesterday. The change in tactics look to have suited him perfectly and it's worth noting he was only 6 lengths off Roaring Lion in the Dante, seasonal debut and 10f. Looks a big player to me.
By:
impossible123
When: 26 Jul 18 15:36
Kew Gardens has been withdrawn from the King George & QE Stakes scheduked this saturday - dirty scope - but I hope he makes this race come September.
By:
Millerracing67
When: 28 Jul 18 14:54
Had a small interest ££ on Young Rascal (20/1 gen) & 25.0 on here.
This heatwave surely can't last till Sept??
Think he could be a smart Colt with some ease in the ground.
Think he's overprice as it stands.
By:
impossible123
When: 14 Aug 18 21:50
AOB has today stated Kew Gardens will run in the Great Voltigeur. Similarly, Forever Together and Magic Wand in the Yorkshire Oaks. Hope Sea Of Class shows up too.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 22 Aug 18 15:04
All things considered that was a huge run from Kew Gardens.
By:
impossible123
When: 22 Aug 18 17:09
A good rehearsal from Kew Gardens for this race considering the below par performance of his stablemates; he came from some distance back to take 3rd. A 2lb pull with the winner plus another 2f extra ought to be sufficient to turn the table on the winner Old Persian especially on good/good to firm ground, I firmly believe.
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impossible123
When: 26 Aug 18 20:20
Lah Ti Dar has crept into the picture post her annihilation of her opponents in the Galtres Stakes on her 1st race back from injury; she's 2nd fav at 10/3.

The $64k question is...will she be risked here over 14f on her 2nd race back from an injury? She's also entered in The Arc (12f) 3 weeks later and Fillies and Mares at Ascot a month later.
By:
Charlton2005
When: 27 Aug 18 00:29
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So insightful Bungle.


just like every comment he makes. either pointless or so devoid of logic as to be laughable. yet he thinks he's helping us out
By:
impossible123
When: 28 Aug 18 20:20
A doubt about Lah Ti Dar as connections are leaning towards The Vermeille a day later. Then The Arc (if successful), but will be left in here too. That would make more sense given the fillies wfa allowance and prestige of The Arc; 14f for a 3yr old filly on her 2nd race back from injury...the risks outweigh the reward, I believe.
By:
montgomery brewster
When: 08 Sep 18 09:32
Is loxley now a runner
By:
impossible123
When: 08 Sep 18 14:51
The price of Lah Ti Dar has contracted alarmingly here - she into 8 here, half the price yesterday. But still no update from connections definitively when she goes yet; bookies induced perhaps with Confirmation Day being 12pm monday 10th Sept.
By:
can but dream
When: 08 Sep 18 14:58
Lah Ti Dar will run at Doncaster I've been informed due to it being a weak st leger, only kew gardens to beat
By:
impossible123
When: 08 Sep 18 15:05
Or it could be the victory of Enable that has prompted this support for Lah Ti Dar for this race. Nevertheless, I'm still in The Vermeille camp.
By:
can but dream
When: 08 Sep 18 15:11
Good luck but don't say I didn't tell you ;)
By:
Graeme83
When: 08 Sep 18 15:15
^ ^ ^ ^ topics/replies 7
By:
kevinglass
When: 09 Sep 18 13:42
A lot's going to depend on the going. The forecast seems there is little rain, but it's fairly cool in temperature.

Anybody in Doncaster around to check the going in their back garden???!!
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 09 Sep 18 17:01
Lah Ti Dar hasn't even been declared for the Prix Vermeille, but could be supplemented of course (as she needs to be the for Arc).

She could also run in the Moyglare Blandford a week today (already entered) that would be a perfect fit (G2 - fillies 10f) and a race she can win on ratings. It wouldn't surprise me if this was her next race.

The St Leger is an option of course and several fillies have won it, Simple Verse, User Friendly and Dunfermline to name a few and the latter two also ran in the Arc.

I have my doubts she will run in the Arc.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 09 Sep 18 18:46
With Enable looking so good yesterday I would think the Fillies and Mare race at Ascot may be her target rather than the Arc.
Whether she goes via the Leger or, as Andrew suggests, the Blandford I don’t know.
By:
Joe Mac
When: 09 Sep 18 20:50
Id be holding fire until we see an updated weather forecast.
By:
liberator of the oppressed
When: 10 Sep 18 19:50
Kevinglass there used to be a dog walker think he was called town moor regularly posted he might be around still.
By:
foxy
When: 11 Sep 18 13:33
Tut tut Andrew how could you not mention oh so Sharpe the last horse to win the fillies triple crown.
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Sep 18 15:19
Looks like Kew Gardens might get his ground eventually. It is good to soft at the moment with negligible rain forecast tomorrow but none after.

Lah Ti Dar is still 11/10 for The Vermeille, but her price continues to contract here. It could be "easy" money for those who are prepared to bet against her running here; 3/1 could be a value bet (against) given the possible good ground on saturday plus an extra 2f further than she's gone before.
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 11 Sep 18 16:53
Foxy,

Good observation and i have mentioned her on similar threads but i guess i was thinking of the Arc at the time although i did say 'latter two'.

I saw Oh So Sharp at Ascot, a wonderful filly, so good a group race was named after her.

Maybe the Enable stakes in years to come ? Wink.

Lah Ti Dar not declared for the Blanford in Ireland so Doncaster or ParisLongchamp it is.
By:
Hibore
When: 11 Sep 18 22:54
Lah Ti Dar going St Leger 80/20 now
By:
impossible123
When: 11 Sep 18 23:36
I think unless an aspiring Arc runner has contested at least a Group 1 race prior connection of a 3yr old would normally choose a race in France eg The Niel or The Vermeille (both 12f) as prep, and very unlikely this race over 14f. Thus, I still believe The Vermeille is the more likely destination for Lah Ti Dar despite the contraction in her price here; the going at Longchamp is presently good to soft similar to Doncaster.

If she runs here she'd probably be about 6/4 (stamina not assured) with Kew Gardens about 2/1, I think, given good ground.
By:
Andrew in Sweden
When: 12 Sep 18 06:56
a 3yr old would normally choose a race in France eg The Niel or The Vermeille (both 12f) as prep, and very unlikely this race over 14f.

There's been 6 since turn of the century alone and more prior to it

Kingston Hill
Leading Light
Masked Marvel
Sixties Icon
Scorpion
Milan
By:
impossible123
When: 12 Sep 18 18:25
Hibore, you're correct. Lah Ti Dar has just been confirmed for this race; she's 15/8 clear fav.
By:
harry callaghan
When: 12 Sep 18 19:38
i have to say i quite like the filly lah ti dar, however 7/4 general on the back of winning a listed race, of which non of the other fillies ran any sort of race or did any running i find quite odd

maybe the field isn't that deep but it is just a sickening price if you buy the race she won. she looks a nice filly and has a chance but it isn't a 7/4 shot it should be 3/1 along with kew gardens
By:
willie the milk
When: 12 Sep 18 20:44
I have heard that Kew Gardens may stay in Ireland for the race on Sunday now that OOSG has been retired.
Don't shot the messenger if its incorrect
By:
Try My Best
When: 13 Sep 18 16:11
Think front 2 in the betting are short enough and will take a chance with Southern France. lightly raced imposing individual who is getting better with each run and looks an out an out stayer to me. Ridden quietly out the back coming through strongly last 2 runs and think he will relish this. draw 11 not ideal but if he can get a good position think he can outstay these. 18 on here and will have a few quid on this one to give the Ballydoyle team another winner in this classic. Think he represents a bit of value
By:
impossible123
When: 13 Sep 18 17:32
Southern France had a tender intro the last time, and ran accordingly; he also probably will have his ground. Without a doubt Nelson will be doing the donkey work for Kew Gardens (KG); the pace will be frantic to try and expose any stamina limitation of Lah Ti Dar (LTD), I believe. Hopefully, negligible precipitation between now and race, and KG gets his ideal ground to thwart any (successful) late gatecrashing by LTD.
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