Of the Irish entries I like Ivan Grozny and Mick Jazz but no idea if any of them will turn up. The following have also caught my eye:
Ballyandy – 10/1 After getting beaten by Moon Racer (twice) and then MDO people have been writing this one off, but it would not surprise me if NTD has had this race in mind since the start of the season for him. He did a similar thing with Splash Of Ginge, a few runs in novice company before making his hcp debut in this, similar with Flying Angel in last year’s renewal. As the bumper winner he’s not so much under the radar as those two, current price makes no appeal.
William H Bonney – 33/1 Ran in some decent novice hurdles last season including at Newbury, flopped at Cheltenham but that may not be his course or he didn’t like the ground.
Trainer has always rated this one, held up due to some niggles this season. He ran OK on his seasonal debut (g/s) at Kempton before fading and should come on from this, been dropped 4lbs since to a mark of 132. No idea if this is his aim but I think he has been underestimated by the handicapper. I like this one.
Gassin Golf – 33/1 In March 2015 he won a handicap off a mark of 135 over course and distance. He then ran OK off a higher mark behind Cheltenian at Ayr and finished the season on a mark of 140. He was pulled up the following season at Chepstow and was off until he returned this season where he has finished 2nd fto and then 5th at Newbury suggesting he still retains ability and should strip fitter. He is interesting off his current mark of 133 at a price.
Bertimont – 50/1 Been dropped from 151 to 130 very rapidly for his last 3 runs, seems a drastic drop? Maybe he is not as good anymore but mark is interesting.
Wait For Me – 16/1 Is sitting on a mark of 138 which could underestimate him, he ran well in the Supreme and I’d be tempted to forgive his run afterwards. His seasonal debut was fine and should come on for it, has very good course form. Very interesting.
It’s a bit far out and I’m not sure if he is being aimed at the race but going to have a wee punt on William H Bonney at 33/1, will have another look closer to the day.
Wait For Me did not run in the Supreme, he ran in the County Hurdle as a novice and was placed off 139 which is 1lb higher than now. He has a lot of ability (3rd behind Moon Racer in the Champion Bumper) but his jumping has been suspect. I can see him landing a big 2m handicap if his jumping holds together for a full race.
Wait For Me did not run in the Supreme, he ran in the County Hurdle as a novice and was placed off 139 which is 1lb higher than now. He has a lot of ability (3rd behind Moon Racer in the Champion Bumper) but his jumping has been suspect. I can see hi
Not getting involved just yet but two that interest me at the moment are the novices Keep In Line and Charlemar. Both have been impressive in Novice hurdles before coming up short in Graded company but have been reasonably handicapped as a result.
Keep In Line is well regarded and looks the sort to be suited by a big field end to end gallop such as this whilst Charlemar has been given a similar prep, and is in the same ownership, as Arzal who was very unlucky in the race a couple of years back.
Wait For Me entered up to run at Ascot Saturday.Not getting involved just yet but two that interest me at the moment are the novices Keep In Line and Charlemar. Both have been impressive in Novice hurdles before coming up short in Graded company but
I think Ballyandy on 10-6 has been given a real opportunity to open his account for the season if he is able to reproduce his early form post the long rest since his last race on 2nd Dec; Modus (12/1) is closely matched with Moon Racer, twice conqueror of Ballyandy (10/1), but the 1st named is giving 20lbs to him. And at 10/1 Ballyandy is a good e/w bet, surely.
I think Ballyandy on 10-6 has been given a real opportunity to open his account for the season if he is able to reproduce his early form post the long rest since his last race on 2nd Dec; Modus (12/1) is closely matched with Moon Racer, twice conquer
Clyne now looks to have an obvious chance from a handicapping point of view. Will be 8-10lb well in when his new OR is released tomorrow. Can still run off 143 as this race is an early closer, but will be rated 151-153 I reckon after splitting The New One & L'ami Serge on Saturday. I took a bit of 12/1 yesterday, but 10/1 still decent value I'd say and trainer says will run.
Clyne now looks to have an obvious chance from a handicapping point of view. Will be 8-10lb well in when his new OR is released tomorrow. Can still run off 143 as this race is an early closer, but will be rated 151-153 I reckon after splitting The Ne
Totally agree Shockster - think CLYNE run was very impressive... he really pushed The New One... and with L'Ami Serge in 3rd think its a very good yardstick. Was stated in the RP today he will run - I also agree 10/1 is generous... think he will go off favourite.
Totally agree Shockster - think CLYNE run was very impressive... he really pushed The New One... and with L'Ami Serge in 3rd think its a very good yardstick. Was stated in the RP today he will run - I also agree 10/1 is generous... think he will go
Wouldn't trust any form line that has The New One in it. Can't have Clyne
Backed Consul De Thiax at 13/1 and threw a few quid on Koshari at 25/1 (not sure whether it will make a showing)
Wouldn't trust any form line that has The New One in it. Can't have ClyneBacked Consul De Thiax at 13/1 and threw a few quid on Koshari at 25/1 (not sure whether it will make a showing)
Looking at the weights its PETE THE MAYO MAN at 16/1, who looks to have been saved for this race, after his course win in November. I also took the 33s that one bookie put up on SONG LIGHT on the basis that his placed effort in the Greatwood was a good one and he travelled like the best horse in the race for most of the way. Still well weighted, if he gets in.
Looking at the weights its PETE THE MAYO MAN at 16/1, who looks to have been saved for this race, after his course win in November. I also took the 33s that one bookie put up on SONG LIGHT on the basis that his placed effort in the Greatwood was a g
Nice shout for WHB that far out GI.....trainer has another couple of interesting ones entered.
Strong stats race re weight and age.
One of my favourite races going back to the schweppes sponsorship.
Lets hope he runs,nice voucher to be sat on.
Nice shout for WHB that far out GI.....trainer has another couple of interesting ones entered.Strong stats race re weight and age.One of my favourite races going back to the schweppes sponsorship.Lets hope he runs,nice voucher to be sat on.
Trainer did say the race was under consideration in his weekender column, depending how he ran at Cheltenham, so I'm hopeful he runs. I love this race too..
Trainer did say the race was under consideration in his weekender column, depending how he ran at Cheltenham, so I'm hopeful he runs. I love this race too..
One of my all time favourite races too - Shadow Leader probbly my best memory.
Looks like we are finally going to get plenty of wet stuff over the next couple of weeks so soft ground (or worse) looks certain Quite intrested in Bags Groove but no idea if he is an intended runner so keeping my powder dry for now.
One of my all time favourite races too - Shadow Leader probbly my best memory.Looks like we are finally going to get plenty of wet stuff over the next couple of weeks so soft ground (or worse) looks certainQuite intrested in Bags Groove but no idea
Is there any word on if Sutton Place goes for this? Was very impressed with him yesterday, and with a 5lb penalty he'd be running off 148. He possibly is better with cut but ground should be suitable at Newbury. When the handicapper has the chance to review his mark I think he will be put up towards 160 and if he runs I think he'll have a massive chance.
Is there any word on if Sutton Place goes for this? Was very impressed with him yesterday, and with a 5lb penalty he'd be running off 148.He possibly is better with cut but ground should be suitable at Newbury.When the handicapper has the chance to r
http://www.attheraces.com/news/2017/January/28/sutton-place-takes-limestone-lad-honours-at-naas ^ Doesn't sound like it, going by these comments. You never know, they might change their mind.
http://www.attheraces.com/news/2017/January/28/sutton-place-takes-limestone-lad-honours-at-naas^ Doesn't sound like it, going by these comments. You never know, they might change their mind.
GI MAC, King was positive about William H Bonney's participation in this in his post race interview following yesterday's win.
Quite like Zubayr myself, his run behind Brain Power and Consul De Thaix does n't look too bad now and he's been dropped 3lbs for that. Nicholls sounded far more enthusiastic about his prospects than that of the JP pair he trains in the Pricewise antepost preview for this and he is clearly being laid out for the race.
Shades of Zarkandar - although that one had much better form and was higher rated coming into the race when he won it.
GI MAC, King was positive about William H Bonney's participation in this in his post race interview following yesterday's win.Quite like Zubayr myself, his run behind Brain Power and Consul De Thaix does n't look too bad now and he's been dropped 3lb
Agree with Zubayr,potentially one of several who could leave their current mark behind.
With nicholls and the green and golds holding down the weights,plenty guesswork at this stage.
Noticeable how well those up with the pace have fared,in recent renewals.
So,5/6 yr old,ideally kept away from handicapper,possibly stays further,and form on easy ground,frontrunning
could be a big positive?
Should be straight forward once we get decs
Agree with Zubayr,potentially one of several who could leave their current mark behind.With nicholls and the green and golds holding down the weights,plenty guesswork at this stage.Noticeable how well those up with the pace have fared,in recent renew
you would have to be interested at 20s if he came over, travelled well in the leopardstown race until sloppy jump at the last and traffic ahead.
But will he turn up, don't think so myself
1st tpyou would have to be interested at 20s if he came over, travelled well in the leopardstown race until sloppy jump at the last and traffic ahead.But will he turn up, don't think so myself
MOVEWITTHETIMES screams "Plot" for me. His run behind Moon Racer at Cheltenham tells me he'll take care of Ballyandy here, and I really can't see much else to be too worried about.
MOVEWITTHETIMES screams "Plot" for me.His run behind Moon Racer at Cheltenham tells me he'll take care of Ballyandy here, and I really can't see much else to be too worried about.
It could be Ballyandy's day. He's been rested, and well-weighted to run a big race; he's a definite runner (if sound) and also loves the ground (softish).
It could be Ballyandy's day. He's been rested, and well-weighted to run a big race; he's a definite runner (if sound) and also loves the ground (softish).
Don't really understand the betting for this the way top 3 in the market contracting to 4s/5s again false market for antepost punters... will be 7s the fields come Saturday.
Anyway - still think CLYNE is the one to be on, think the form line with the New One was impressive on really poor ground, hence the money has come for him today, I do like the trainer and nice to see him have decent chance in a big Saturday handicap.
Also a bit of a word for BallyAndy - a month back connections were quite bullish about his Cheltenham prospects in that he must win this if he is good enough... so clearly have a Cheltenham target in mind after this race... albeit to win this race first. Then comments from RP earlier this week - how they tried to keep his mark down for this race, which does suggest the word plot... but little value now but has to be in the shortlist - fingers crossed on price come saturday. OP was quite shrewd to suggest that in the opening post - hope you all took note :)
Anyway of the outsiders I do like Beltior 16/1 - (already backed him @25s) think on a flat track like Newbury will play to his strength - seemed like going places last season, there was a lot of expectation around him but not so much now, but weighted well and for me that's eye catching.
Wont bother with anything else - otherwise will end up with a shortlist of 10 ;)
Good Luck
Don't really understand the betting for this the way top 3 in the market contracting to 4s/5s again false market for antepost punters... will be 7s the fields come Saturday.Anyway - still think CLYNE is the one to be on, think the form line with the
Ballyandy has STD on board; I'm surprised Hargam is running given his best runs have always been on good ground or better - it is soft at the moment. My main concern is Elliot's rep, Veinard on Irish form.
Ballyandy has STD on board; I'm surprised Hargam is running given his best runs have always been on good ground or better - it is soft at the moment. My main concern is Elliot's rep, Veinard on Irish form.
Hargam running here on soft ground is no surprise at all, it's all about getting his mark down so he can be competitive in the County Hurdle on decent spring ground.
Hargam running here on soft ground is no surprise at all, it's all about getting his mark down so he can be competitive in the County Hurdle on decent spring ground.
WAIT FOR ME and SONG LIGHT gives me a runner with headgear back on, specifically for the race, and a horse laid out since a blasting run behind North Hill Harvey in the Greatwood. Bring it on.
WAIT FOR ME and SONG LIGHT gives me a runner with headgear back on, specifically for the race, and a horse laid out since a blasting run behind North Hill Harvey in the Greatwood. Bring it on.
I've added an ew bet on Gassin Golf to my original punt, I still think Ballyandy will run a big race, but I just can't back him at the prices, Wait For Me; he can run well but I'm not sure soft ground is ideal for him, maybe one for the festival?
Of the rest Clyne and Movewiththetimes are interesting and should run well. Elliot's runner may well have been let in very lightly on 126, he is intriguing with that good young jockey on board, big race for him.
Good Luck!
I've added an ew bet on Gassin Golf to my original punt, I still think Ballyandy will run a big race, but I just can't back him at the prices, Wait For Me; he can run well but I'm not sure soft ground is ideal for him, maybe one for the festival?Of t
agree about Ballyandy because the only thing not to like is the price. Gone off Zubayr primarily because the weights have gone up and as Felt says you can't back 'em all - though it's tempting in a race like this
So ended up the same as deepingfox - Wait For Me and Song Light ew - the ground is a concern but for me it's a total guess up as to what it will be like until they start racing on it by which time the prices will have probably gone anyway.
I get the love for the Elliott horse and the fact that he's sending him and Kennedy is probably a tip in itself but he's gone up from 105 to 126 since his last win so I can leave him.
Good luck!
agree about Ballyandy because the only thing not to like is the price. Gone off Zubayr primarily because the weights have gone up and as Felt says you can't back 'em all - though it's tempting in a race like this So ended up the same as deepingfox -
most yo-yo betting for this race over the last week... so many horses coming in ... now going out... fluctuations are based on the fact bookies don't know what they're doing... and reacting impulsively rather than on actual money coming in. Prices were appalling this morning... and for such a competitive race have such as false market... bookies sticking there neck out for half a point or two.
To summarise:
16 runners only ONE horse can win... sometimes you have to state the obvious!
most yo-yo betting for this race over the last week... so many horses coming in ... now going out... fluctuations are based on the fact bookies don't know what they're doing... and reacting impulsively rather than on actual money coming in. Prices w
In the hope he doesn't blunder his way round, which is possible based on past form, I have become more and more confident that Wait For Me should go very very close and have gone in again - 3pts win, 1 pt place.
In the hope he doesn't blunder his way round, which is possible based on past form, I have become more and more confident that Wait For Me should go very very close and have gone in again - 3pts win, 1 pt place.
Yeah Facts - way off the mark there.. was pretty surprised tbf. Considering outsiders have good records in this makes it even more confusing...
Gambled on Blazer was no where in this last year so not as easy as sometimes the betting would suggest.
Good Luck anyway guys - one of the top 4 winning would be a good result ;)
Yeah Facts - way off the mark there.. was pretty surprised tbf. Considering outsiders have good records in this makes it even more confusing...Gambled on Blazer was no where in this last year so not as easy as sometimes the betting would suggest.Goo
Thanks 'unclepuncle'. The Schweppes Hurdle has always been a lucky race for me; it was a toss-up between Ballyandy and Movewiththetimes, but the long rest and racing weight for the former swayed it. It could so easily have gone the other way, and that is racing for you.
Thanks 'unclepuncle'. The Schweppes Hurdle has always been a lucky race for me; it was a toss-up between Ballyandy and Movewiththetimes, but the long rest and racing weight for the former swayed it. It could so easily have gone the other way, and tha
I also though MOVEWITHTHETIMES was really impressive albeit top 2 horses came from a break... I thought BallyAndy was more gutsy... in fact I thought when Geraghty asked for a bit more... horse probably needed the run more. Id probably back both for the Supreme (if they turn up - will check RP tomorrow) but 14/1 and 20/1 respectively is still value.
But think MVT will get the better of BallyAndy next time. Will back MVT wherever he runs anyway.
I also though MOVEWITHTHETIMES was really impressive albeit top 2 horses came from a break... I thought BallyAndy was more gutsy... in fact I thought when Geraghty asked for a bit more... horse probably needed the run more. Id probably back both for
MWTT is by presenting, he put up a grand effort. Dont think he will beat a hardened Ballyandy over hurdles. Looks like he doesnt want to battle imo.
MWTT will be a monster over jumps and decent ground.
Im backing Bally for the surpreme, he may lack the class but i think if he turns up you will get a run for your money. Going to be watching the Deloitte and having the press button on the turn.
MWTT is by presenting, he put up a grand effort. Dont think he will beat a hardened Ballyandy over hurdles. Looks like he doesnt want to battle imo.MWTT will be a monster over jumps and decent ground.Im backing Bally for the surpreme, he may lack the
Have averaged around 50s MWWT for Supreme and thought he had to win yesterday , agree with all comments , bit green , future chasing superstar . In all honesty cudnt really see him turning the tables with Ballyandy unless PN has left plenty to work on (possible) or ground makes a difference .
Have averaged around 50s MWWT for Supreme and thought he had to win yesterday , agree with all comments , bit green , future chasing superstar . In all honesty cudnt really see him turning the tables with Ballyandy unless PN has left plenty to work o
2018 WPM entries....7 of the 59 entered.....Newbury on Saturday 10th Feb 3.35
Bleu Et Rouge Dolciano Dici Karalee Lagostovegas Meri Devie Sandsend Voix du Reve
2018 WPM entries....7 of the 59 entered.....Newbury on Saturday 10th Feb 3.35Bleu Et RougeDolciano DiciKaraleeLagostovegasMeri DevieSandsendVoix du Reve
I like Bleu Et Rouge 16 BF & LAD Won Grade 1 Deloitte hurdle in 2016 Didn't take to fences - lost confidence - now reverted to hurdles this season Btn 7L by Hunters Call at Kempton - running on steadily, on a course that may not have suited as well as Newbury ! JPM has Defi DS as top weight keeping BER's weight at 11:1 Hope he runs - just hope Willie & JPM are not saving him for the County ? 25 SJ Could he do the double ?
I like Bleu Et Rouge 16 BF & LADWon Grade 1 Deloitte hurdle in 2016 Didn't take to fences - lost confidence - now reverted to hurdles this season Btn 7L by Hunters Call at Kempton - running on steadily, on a course that may not have suited as well as
Pingshou Colin Tizzard 11st 9lb High Bridge Ben Pauling 11st 9lb LagostovegasWP Mullins, Ireland 11st 8lb Mister Miyagi Stuart Edmunds 11st 8lb Bleu Et RougeWP Mullins, Ireland 11st 7lb Verdana Blue Nicky Henderson 11st 6lb Voix du ReveWP Mullins, Ireland 11st 6lb Cliffs of Dover Paul Nicholls 11st 6lb Charli Parcs Nicky Henderson 11st 6lb Divin Bere Paul Nicholls 11st 5lb Jenkins Nicky Henderson 11st 4lb Moon Racer David Pipe 11st 3lb Misterton Harry Fry 11st 3lb Chti Balko Donald McCain 11st 3lb Kalashnikov Amy Murphy 11st 2lb Project Bluebook John Quinn 11st 2lb Dame Rose Richard Hobson 11st 1lb Kayf Grace Nicky Henderson 11st 1lb Gwafa Paul Webber 11st 1lb Remiluc Chris Gordon 11st 0lb Spiritofthegames Dan Skelton 11st 0lb
Lough Derg Spirit Nicky Henderson 10st 13lb Poppy Kay Philip Hobbs 10st 12lb Lalor Kayley Woollacott 10st 12lb Knocknanuss Gary Moore 10st 10lb Waterlord Donald McCain 10st 10lb Lostintranslation Colin Tizzard 10st 9lb William H Bonney Alan King 10st 9lb Irish Roe Peter Atkinson 10st 9lb Master of Irony John Quinn 10st 8lb Silver Streak Evan Williams 10st 8lb Nietzsche Brian Ellison 10st 7lb Coeur Blimey Susan Gardner 10st 7lb Zalvados Oliver Greenall 10st 4lb Wishfull Dreaming Olly Murphy 10st 0lb Bidourey David Pipe 10st 0lb Magic Dancer Kerry Lee 9st 13lb Man of Plenty Sophie Leech 9st 12lb Birch Hill Sophie Leech 9st 9lb Maquisard Gary Moore 9st 9lb
MAKE THAT 41.....Elgin Alan King 11st 12lb Pingshou Colin Tizzard 11st 9lb High Bridge Ben Pauling 11st 9lb Lagostovegas WP Mullins, Ireland 11st 8lb Mister Miyagi Stuart Edmunds 11st 8lb Bleu Et Rouge WP Mullins, Irelan
Have backed Cliffs of Dover here @33's he's a horse I have been keeping an eye on after his injury last season. This has been the long term target and he was very progressive last year. Also seems that Nicholls is starting to hit some form.
Have backed Cliffs of Dover here @33's he's a horse I have been keeping an eye on after his injury last season. This has been the long term target and he was very progressive last year. Also seems that Nicholls is starting to hit some form.
Finding it hard to fancy anything strongly at this stage. Maybe Charli Parcs can finally get it altogether - have had a nibble @ 29 on here.
^Cliffs of Dover a n/r by the look of it.Finding it hard to fancy anything strongly at this stage. Maybe Charli Parcs can finally get it altogether - have had a nibble @ 29 on here.
Looks an extremely open race, and Hendo is running 5. I'm on Kalashnikov and Lalor, just hoping either will emulate the success of Ballyandy last season.
Looks an extremely open race, and Hendo is running 5. I'm on Kalashnikov and Lalor, just hoping either will emulate the success of Ballyandy last season.
Fiercely competitive renewal this time around, compressed handicap to boot which helps the top weights. Some nice ew terms about so I've had 3 bites: William H Bonney, Misterton and Nietzsche.
Good Luck!
Fiercely competitive renewal this time around, compressed handicap to boot which helps the top weights. Some nice ew terms about so I've had 3 bites: William H Bonney, Misterton and Nietzsche.Good Luck!
SILVER STREAK 18-1 e.w 1st 5. Looks an improver or is it just the way he carries his head. Up in trip could bring more. No soft ground form. SPIRITOFTHEGAMES 28-1 e.w. 1st 5. Probably place is the best I can hope for. Been racing over 2m3f, 2m5f, 2m would seem too short but he's such a slick hurdler I'm gonna throw my money away. More rain the better, I suppose. Win savers on Kayf Grace 12-1 and Irish Roe 10-1. Looking forward to a hell of a race.
SILVER STREAK 18-1 e.w 1st 5. Looks an improver or is it just the way he carries his head. Up in trip could bring more. No soft ground form.SPIRITOFTHEGAMES 28-1 e.w. 1st 5. Probably place is the best I can hope for. Been racing over 2m3f, 2m5f, 2m w
Just the 24 to sift through,as mentioned last year strong stats for age/weight.
10/10 age 5/6 yr old 10/10 11-2 lb or below
These are never bombproof,but they are a useful tool in profiling the type of horse that can outrun their odds.In this case we are looking for a younger horse that the handicapper has not got a handle on,its true potential hidden very carefully,the racing cliche is unexposed,
Zalvados.....He was 25th on the list, managed to get in on the cut at 24,two things at entry stage,they have been messing with headgear,and he was on 10-07,took a chance on the claimer and today he has first time blinkers as well.Since arriving from france he has had the tongue tie fitted,and his form on soft or worse bears the closest inspection,never out the first 2.Won his maiden on last start,with the claim he gets to run off 122 today,exactly 10-00 stone,he has form with limited reserve/chesterfield from aintree last yr,that can be argued are far superior to 122,we will see later.
Nietzsche.....From the Ellison yard,another young unexposed sort,who has big field experience with a fine third in last years fred winter.He was rated 130 going into that,following a couple of sighters this season ,he gets to run here off 132.Ground wise not that easy to work out,he has won on soft,and captain cook looks to be the rider of choice when the moneys down.Enthusiasm tempered slightly as they have left the hood off ,headgear can work both ways,strong traveller on going day,whatever happens,he looks on a reasonable mark.
Will be watching the times of the first few races,they had the going as gd/sft,now back to soft.
Case can be made for plenty,both EW for mine,promises to be a cracker,with the bragging rights reserved for any that can work out this Equine Sodoku.
GL
Just the 24 to sift through,as mentioned last year strong stats for age/weight.10/10 age 5/6 yr old10/10 11-2 lb or belowThese are never bombproof,but they are a useful tool in profiling the type of horse that can outrun their odds.In this case we ar