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jonjon
07 Jun 16 10:08
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Right,

why would you not go for the queen anne over a stiff mile and WIN??? as opposed to running within maybe maybe 3 lengths of the Japanese wonder champion super horse??

Roger please...see sense me old son

QUEEN

ANNE

whos with me???
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Report ReaseHeath June 7, 2016 10:55 AM BST
Time Test's two best performances on Good to Firm over 10 furlongs. Both his win at Royal Ascot last year and at Sandown recently looked very impressive - and the clock backs that up in both cases. A Shin Hikari's two defeats have both been on ground described as Firm - admittedly he's won plenty on Firm as well but not at Group 1 Level and not over 10 furlongs.

A Shin Hikari does look better prepared than your average foreign wonder horse which turns up at Royal Ascot every year and gets stuffed but I'll be with Time Test if the ground is quick.


If the ground is n't quick I reckon Charlton might wait for the Eclipse but that could be a bit of a minefield if the ground is n't quick there either and he's the best part of two months without a run.
Report Howellsy June 7, 2016 4:59 PM BST
I have to say I've had similar sentiments jonjon. Looking at the two races, A Shin Hikari stands alone as genuine top group 1 class (possible exception of Gatsby). I think Time Test's Newmarket mile win has been underrated. It was a good performance in a good time. I would make him fav for the Queen Anne due to the lack of a top class straight miler on good to firm ground. Ryan Moore has spoken, though, and said he's a 10f horse, and I doubt they'll be diverted.
Report Deptford June 7, 2016 6:11 PM BST
Info from stable is Prince Of Wales. Though imo with the weather changing that could change
Report jonjon June 8, 2016 1:20 PM BST
He is still in there at the latest forfeit stage
Report impossible123 June 8, 2016 3:07 PM BST
I know Time Test gave weight and a beating to Intilaaq who was a short price 'fav' in his last race and there was a valid reason for the poor display of the latter. Could anyone tell me what the reason was? Was it the change in going? Much appreciated if so.
Report ReaseHeath June 8, 2016 7:08 PM BST
impossible - he scoped dirty (see below):

http://www.skysports.com/racing/news/12040/10295967/dirty-scope-for-intilaaq-following-brigadier-gerard

Intilaaq is surely better than his Brigadier Gerard run...I think you'd have to rate the Brigadier Gerard through Western Hymn, which maybe does n't make the form look quite so impressive but Western Hymn is a bit of a course specialist at Sandown and was having his third run of the season whereas it was Time Test's first.

jonjon - yes - but are they leaving him in case the ground is on the soft side?I think that compromises his chances in either race - although if it looks like being faster on Tues than Wed maybe he will take his chance.

In fairness, I'd overlooked the time for his mile win at Newmarket which as Howellsy points out was decent - but he recorded a better speed figure still at Sandown last time.

Tepin is clearly a more vulnerable favourite than A Shin Hikari but the Queen Anne looks like it's shaping up to be a deeper race than the PoW in terms of overall quality to me. I guess we'll know a little bit more tomorrow.
Report impossible123 June 8, 2016 8:18 PM BST
ReaselHeath

Thank-you.
Report jonjon June 9, 2016 12:15 AM BST
I really hold Time test as a G1 performer but one who will pick up decent events running to 125 etc..

The figure the Japanese horse posted is beyond anything a European runner can run to and Time test would stand absolutely no chance in beating him.  Yes you should never be scared of one horse but he will get licked if he runs against the Japanese star.

Go for the queen anne. Stiff track and they usually go a good clip hes a player, he can beat Tepin and everdeya.  He cannot beat Hashin
Report Augustine June 9, 2016 8:30 PM BST
He won't win anything on soft and I don't think he'll run at all if that's the going.

He is better at 10f than 8f and if it is fast he should go for the POW. The Japanese horse's performance last time out was on heavy ground and it usually pays to be suspicious of apparent big improvement on that sort of surface.
Report Augustine June 9, 2016 8:30 PM BST
He won't win anything on soft and I don't think he'll run at all if that's the going.

He is better at 10f than 8f and if it is fast he should go for the POW. The Japanese horse's performance last time out was on heavy ground and it usually pays to be suspicious of apparent big improvement on that sort of surface.
Report sintonian June 11, 2016 11:30 AM BST
Round course is no1 GS,S in places with more rain forecast. I would not be surprised if he became a non-runner.
Report johnnyrant June 11, 2016 11:32 AM BST
A real shame, esp. as an AP backer myself, but doubt he will line up. A lot more rain forecast.
Report sintonian June 11, 2016 12:56 PM BST
Yep, I backed him at 8/1, he's gone from 3s to 5.s.

I suspect A Shin will go off odds-on.
Report impossible123 June 12, 2016 7:02 PM BST
Time Test is friendless and so is The Grey Gatsby.
Report sageform June 13, 2016 9:06 AM BST
Could even be heading towards heavy tomorrow if the forecast is accurate. Good reason to delay any bets until they are at the post.
Report jonjon June 13, 2016 9:17 AM BST
Yeah the meeting is gonna be a wash out.. but... plenty of mudlarks going. get them down!!
Report Boxman June 13, 2016 9:34 AM BST
DOUBT has been cast on the participation of Time Test in Wednesday's Prince of Wales's Stakes due to the inclement weather forecast and ease in the going at Ascot.

A 5-1 chance, Time Test is Britain's main candidate to take on the Japanese flyer A Shin Hikari, whose ten-length blitz at Chantilly may have been generously measured by the judge but was deeply impressive nonetheless.

Teddy Grimthorpe, racing manager to Time Test's owner Khalid Abdullah, said: "I don't think he'd mind the ease in the ground but I don't think he'd be at his best on soft. We've got some concerns about whether we'll run, mainly because we know he needs good or fast ground to show his best."

From the RP website
Report Boxman June 13, 2016 9:35 AM BST
Removed from PP AP list as well who are now showing only 7 runners per Oddschecker
Report Boxman June 13, 2016 9:57 AM BST
Now official

Time Test has been ruled out of the Prince of Wales's Stakes at Royal Ascot on account of the rain-softened ground.

Roger Charlton's four-year-old was a hugely impressive winner of the Tercentenary Stakes at the showpiece meeting last year and made a successful return to action with a thrilling victory in the Brigadier Gerard Stakes at Sandown last month.

He was among the leading contenders for Wednesday's 10-furlong Group One, but with conditions at Ascot having deteriorated, he will not take his chance.

Charlton tweeted: "Time Test will not be declared to run in the Prince of Wales's and he will be aimed at the Eclipse @Sandownpark, hoping for quicker ground."
Report jonjon June 13, 2016 10:29 AM BST
Shoulda ran in the Queen anne hahah
Report Can't Catch Me June 13, 2016 12:39 PM BST
Yeah because it would have been faster going tomorrow Crazy
Report jonjon June 13, 2016 3:36 PM BST
Best ground of the entire week will be the first race. Itll actually be raceable ground.

He has a soft ground pedigree through and through he would go on it aswell as any of those in there
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