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NO. HORSE AGE OR TS RPR
1 01124 Alderbrook Lad 9 143 122 146
2 P2-F15 Ballynagour 9 163 132 171
3 4452-4 Cue Card 9 160 149 165
4 323-9 Dynaste 9 166 143 171
5 3U143- Holywell 8 162 159 170
6 1F-421 Irish Cavalier 6 156 127 160
7 11161- Many Clouds 8 167 159 170
8 12851- Menorah 10 167 108 172
9 2P10P- Rocky Creek 9 162 136 168
10 113PP- Sam Winner 8 160 134 166
11 3111-7 The Romford Pele 8 148 75 129
Looks a good race unless it cuts up badly. Also remember this is a conditions race and therefore it will not be off level weights.
1 01124 Alderbrook Lad 9 143 122 146
2 P2-F15 Ballynagour 9 163 132 171
3 4452-4 Cue Card 9 160 149 165
4 323-9 Dynaste 9 166 143 171
5 3U143- Holywell 8 162 159 170
6 1F-421 Irish Cavalier 6 156 127 160
7 11161- Many Clouds 8 167 159 170
8 12851- Menorah 10 167 108 172
9 2P10P- Rocky Creek 9 162 136 168
10 113PP- Sam Winner 8 160 134 166
11 3111-7 The Romford Pele 8 148 75 129
Looks a good race unless it cuts up badly. Also remember this is a conditions race and therefore it will not be off level weights.
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Dynaste (5), Ballynagour (6), Holywell (6), Many Clouds (13/2), Cue Card (8), Menorah (8), Rocky Creek (10), Irish Cavalier (12), Sam Winner (14), The Romford Pele (33), Alderbrook Lad (66)
Dynaste (5), Ballynagour (6), Holywell (6), Many Clouds (13/2), Cue Card (8), Menorah (8), Rocky Creek (10), Irish Cavalier (12), Sam Winner (14), The Romford Pele (33), Alderbrook Lad (66)
Me too at those prices. Many clouds looks a decent price too, considering he is most likely to run.
Going to depend on the going, if it's soft I'd fancy menorah e/w at 8's first time out is the only time to catch him respect for Holywell too if it's a bit quicker
Oops. Just backed Menorah forgetting about the penalties. Should still go well, but giving 10lbs to Dynaste will probably prove too much, though I see that one is also entered at Down Royal. Pipe also has Ballynagour in this as well as the hurdle race. Which one is likely to run here? Dynaste looks a fair price at 5/1 off 11st, if he's a runner.
Colin Tizzard on Cue Card - "The intention is to go to Wetherby with Cue Card," he said. "He had a whizz around Wincanton last weekend and seems in very good form so we are looking forward to it.
"We worked four horses around Wincanton, including a couple of 130-rated horses, and he was far, far superior to them."
Cue Card's last run came in the Punchestown Gold Cup, where he was a creditable fourth, again behind Don Cossack, though Tizzard feels he will be a stronger force this campaign.
He added: "I thought his performances at Aintree and Punchestown were encouraging. He was obviously struggling with a trapped epiglottis before that and we think he is much better this season, although we have to wait until he runs.
"We are hopeful but we will let him do the talking on Saturday."
"We worked four horses around Wincanton, including a couple of 130-rated horses, and he was far, far superior to them."
Cue Card's last run came in the Punchestown Gold Cup, where he was a creditable fourth, again behind Don Cossack, though Tizzard feels he will be a stronger force this campaign.
He added: "I thought his performances at Aintree and Punchestown were encouraging. He was obviously struggling with a trapped epiglottis before that and we think he is much better this season, although we have to wait until he runs.
"We are hopeful but we will let him do the talking on Saturday."
David Pipe says both Ballynagour & Dynaste will run in the Charlie Hall.
I backed CUE CARD for the most of last season thinking he would win the Gold Cup and the way things unfolded was quite disappointing ... as a result have serious reservations about this horse this season... even before he got injured he seemed a bit off the boil.. disappointed more often than what his class suggests...
But I have backed him for the Charlie Hall earlier this week but heart not my head...
But I'm a bit surprised he is challenging for favouritism... that is plain silly ... based on last seasons form don't think he is a certain winner as market suggests. He won the Betfair Chase with Dynaste second impressively ... but he lost his subsequent races by a large margin before he had his setback... that is the main concern... there has to be an element of leap of faith here, and wouldn't get too carried away with his price contracting.
But I have backed him for the Charlie Hall earlier this week but heart not my head...
But I'm a bit surprised he is challenging for favouritism... that is plain silly ... based on last seasons form don't think he is a certain winner as market suggests. He won the Betfair Chase with Dynaste second impressively ... but he lost his subsequent races by a large margin before he had his setback... that is the main concern... there has to be an element of leap of faith here, and wouldn't get too carried away with his price contracting.
Think he'll drift a bit now that Dynaste and Bally are likely to run. Most of the price contracting I would think was due to the poss that it may be a 6-7 runner race.
Looks like a strong renewal. I always feel with this race because it's early in the season a lot of the horses just aren't prepped to win- so you are chancing your arm so bit. So if Cue Card is primed that already gives him an edge over a lot of the opposition.
Dynaste is the really disappointing one- has never delivered on his early promise.
Dynaste is the really disappointing one- has never delivered on his early promise.
Dynaste never delivered????? Has won a Ryanair, 2nd in Betfair Bowl, 2nd in last years King George. 3rd in the Cotswald Chase behind Many Clouds was a bit disappointing on the face of it, but with hindsight not that bad and now 10lb better off for a length and a half. I'd say he's delivered overall and nobody would be disappointed to own an horse like him. Yes, maybe could've won more but hardly been out of the frame. Everything in his favour here. Race fit, soft ground, minimum weight adds up to a decent bet IMO.
If either Cue Card or Dynaste run to near their best then receiving between 4 - 10lb from the rest they'll be hard to beat.
lewisham ranger what disappoints you about dynaste done nothing wrong imo
dynaste is of them whose achieved plenty on his CV when you roll it out but just isnt a superstar, yet we all love to own one like him, think is what hes getting at
very difficult race, wonder if the traders on monday realised cue card was getting in here penalty free,
very difficult race, wonder if the traders on monday realised cue card was getting in here penalty free,
Personally I couldn't have Dynaste on my mind for this or any race at the moment. He was injured towards the end of last season forcing him to miss Cheltenham, his comeback race in France was woeful. I'm not convinced he is anywhere near his best, which he will need to be to win this. Another worrying thing is the trainer form.
7 declared - Ballynagour, Cue Card, Dynaste, Holywell, Many Clouds, Menorah and Sam Winner.
Mnay Clouds @ 6/1 looks the call to me - great first time out record and no isuses with the track, going or distance.
Also if you think he ran below par in the Gold Cup he might just be far too good for these.
I'll be mighty surprised if any of the bottom 3 don't win. Big weight differences. Made my preference clear for Dynaste.
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lewisham ranger what disappoints you about dynaste done nothing wrong imo
Yes he's obviously a top-class horse, but just don't think he's done justice to his ability. This is a horse that has threatened to win King George's, threatened to win big races but hasn't quite delivered.
Yes he's won a Ryanair chase but do you think Conti is a more talented horse? Of course not. Yet that horse has won two king georges to Dynaste's none.
lewisham ranger what disappoints you about dynaste done nothing wrong imo
Yes he's obviously a top-class horse, but just don't think he's done justice to his ability. This is a horse that has threatened to win King George's, threatened to win big races but hasn't quite delivered.
Yes he's won a Ryanair chase but do you think Conti is a more talented horse? Of course not. Yet that horse has won two king georges to Dynaste's none.
please excuse my stupidity, I'm more of a flat racing follower, but why are Dynaste and Cue Card getting weight?
not won a grade 1 race in the last season i think.
ah, I see, I suppose it's unusual to have a grade 2 of such quality
10lb penalty for a class 1 win, 6lb for class 2, 4lb for class 3.
Yes he's won a Ryanair chase but do you think Conti is a more talented horse? Of course not.
Can't have that. Conti is a far better horse. But Dynaste is the best in at the weights here in my opinion, if retaining his ability, something that I don't believe Cue Card does.
Many Clouds has a great record fto, but this is his first run since the National and it remains to be seen what mark that has left on him. Ballynagour can't be ruled out at the weights but there's other I prefer. Holywell doesn't turn up until March and Sam Winner would struggle receiving weight, never mind giving.
Menorah is interesting. He was impressive in this last year when Hobbs was flying, as he is now, and I do fear him, but giving 10lbs to Dynaste should prove too much I think and I expect him to follow Dynaste home.
Yes he's won a Ryanair chase but do you think Conti is a more talented horse? Of course not.
Can't have that. Conti is a far better horse. But Dynaste is the best in at the weights here in my opinion, if retaining his ability, something that I don't believe Cue Card does.
Many Clouds has a great record fto, but this is his first run since the National and it remains to be seen what mark that has left on him. Ballynagour can't be ruled out at the weights but there's other I prefer. Holywell doesn't turn up until March and Sam Winner would struggle receiving weight, never mind giving.
Menorah is interesting. He was impressive in this last year when Hobbs was flying, as he is now, and I do fear him, but giving 10lbs to Dynaste should prove too much I think and I expect him to follow Dynaste home.
All in all, a cracking way to get the jump season proper kick started. Very high quality Charlie Hall.
oct has seen the pipe stable have 2 victories from all their runners .
lady of longstone x2
14oct 9-4f
21oct 2-1f
big big negatives for followers of bally and dyn
lady of longstone x2
14oct 9-4f
21oct 2-1f
big big negatives for followers of bally and dyn
fair enough lewisham i just think he is highly tried horse who has just been found wanting ability wise but i still respect him, he is what he is and no matter how you cut it, conti is a top class chaser and to run him so close is no bad thing, he has maybe just been too highly tried, today represents a decent opportunity for his ability and you could argue it will be disappointing if he couldn't at least go close today
would prefer cue card today think Dynaste has had so many chances to go on but there's something missing
Well done to Cue Card beating my fancy Dynaste and Ballynagour. As mentioned above, the race was dominated by the bottom 3 with no penalty. Maybe race conditions of this need looking at. just a thought, but very good race today and thought Sam Winner ran really well.
Interesting how Ballynagour so close to Dynaste at the finish... considering Dynaste had a run in France... Cue Card back to his best which is great, quite intrigued to see how he unfolds against the new brigade.
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