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Fallen Angel
25 Nov 14 11:43
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Seems incredibly weak on here. Doesn't appear that all is as it seems! Hopefully not and I say that as both a backer for the champion chase and a racing enthusiast!

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By:
Fashion Fever
When: 25 Nov 14 12:08
vibes deffo agaist him turning up imo

willie must be thinking theres 2 grade 1s going begging here im sure ruby will be pointing this out to him in any case
By:
sageform
When: 25 Nov 14 13:18
Are you writing about the Tingle or the QM? I would not back him for anything until he was standing on the start line.
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 25 Nov 14 13:45
I was talking about the QM! but I assume it applies to the Tingle aswell
By:
Ming_the_Merciless
When: 25 Nov 14 15:14
In RP - Hendo has said he may be 'doubtful' for the Tingle creek and it depends on a racecourse gallop.....so he has drifted for both that and the QM.

4.6 for the QM.... yikes.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 25 Nov 14 15:33
In RP - Hendo has said he may be 'doubtful'

So in other words he there is a chance of him being doubtful. The likelihood of him being doubtful still holds some doubt.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 25 Nov 14 15:40
Personally i think Henderson is suffering from paralysis by over analysis with Sprinter Sacre. A bit like dartitis. Afraid to let go.
By:
A_T
When: 25 Nov 14 18:16
finished I'm afraid will never again be the force he was
By:
TEN2FOLLOWER
When: 25 Nov 14 18:26
A_T.  Enough about Nicky - what about the horse?
By:
Autocue
When: 25 Nov 14 18:36
SS is the perfect horse for Henderson. Looks great, never runs.
By:
PeteTheBloke
When: 25 Nov 14 19:43
So in other words he there is a chance of him being doubtful. The likelihood of him being doubtful still holds some doubt

LaughLaugh
By:
HKAccie
When: 26 Nov 14 11:11
Another Remittance Man?
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 26 Nov 14 12:11
makes sense to run simonsig here instead of huntingdon if SS not going

have heard he is flying
By:
ashleigh
When: 27 Nov 14 12:41
out of the tingle creek.Sad
By:
stevo1
When: 27 Nov 14 12:58
Simonsig not flying out of Peterborough Chase
By:
ThunderRoad
When: 27 Nov 14 13:56
Anyone else think we've seen him for the last time?
By:
sageform
When: 27 Nov 14 14:00
We may not see either of them this season.
By:
duffy
When: 27 Nov 14 15:40
SS is supposed to be over the heart problem so he's either got another problem we haven't been told about or and more likely, he's just lost the heart for it ...no pun intended.
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 27 Nov 14 18:44
There has been talk of him struggling with his wind. I've not read anything from the stable to confirm this. All Henderson says is his problems have been well documented. Obviously not that well as nobody seems to know why he is off the track.

He did suffer with his wind in his novice hurdle season. He had an operation after finishing behind Al Ferof in the Supreme. Maybe it's returned?

Would be nice to have an update from the stable as he is the highest rated chaser in the land.
By:
sixtwosix
When: 27 Nov 14 20:36
Would not be surprised if we do not see him on a racecourse again.....unfortunately.
By:
CVByrne
When: 28 Nov 14 18:38
Nicky Henderson runs his horses into the ground. None of his top horses in the past decade or longer have managed to hold their form past one open company season.

Punjabi - wins champion falls off a cliff
Binocular - Wins Champion falls drastically down after that
Long Run - Wins gold cup and falls off a cliff
Bobs Worth - wins gold cup and well beaten twice last season
Finians Rainbow - Wins Champ chase and never same
Punchestowns...

Now it's Sprinter. He squeezes every bit of life out of a horse to get it to the top of the mountain.

It's a huge credit to Nicholls and Mullins for how they have managed to keep the best horses they have or ever will get their hands on at the top for so long.
By:
buddeliea
When: 28 Nov 14 19:28
Bit harsh.

List all these Mullins horses that have been at the top so long.
I got Hurricane Fly.
Now name me all the QMum winners,Gold Cup winners and other CHurdle winners that stayed at the top so long.
By:
Masterminded
When: 28 Nov 14 21:57
I always felt at the time that asking him to win at all three big festivals was asking too much and we saw that at Punchestown. I think connections got a bit carried away because he makes things look easy but the stress the horse must be putting it's body under to win like that in high class races must still take its toll.

Not trying to be cynical but I'm not sure there's ever been too much wrong with his heart. I don't see how he can't be ready after such a long time off. Don't forget he was apparently fit and well at the end of last season. I can honestly see the excuse of not wanting to run him in heavy ground. That's sensible but the "not ready" excuse makes me think something isn't right. I wonder if like brandyontherocks says looking back to his Supreme if those breathing problems have come back.
By:
sageform
When: 29 Nov 14 06:23
Bobs Worth won Grade 1 races in four consecutive seasons. It is very hard to keep human or equine athletes sound for more than 3 seasons.
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Nov 14 06:40
Bob won the Lexus last season as well.

Binocular was around the top of the CH scene for years,placed at the festival 4 times I believe.

Long Run 2 king georges.

Punjabi must have run at the festival 3 or 4 times,and placed and won the CHurdle despite imo not quiet being top class.

Like I said bit harsh.
By:
CVByrne
When: 29 Nov 14 12:42
Without exception they peak for one season and one season only. He doesn't get them to train on as well. That is my opinion, and actually the opinion of quite a few people I know.
By:
Millerracing67
When: 29 Nov 14 13:03
It is a bit of a concern that Sprinter is going to miss the Tingle Creek next wk Sad
Hopefully we see him & a few other big names back on track soon.
Fingers X they all return to their best this season.
By:
sageform
When: 29 Nov 14 15:49
The vast majority of horses peak for one season. Those that maintain top class form are rare-but everyone knows and loves them.
By:
buddeliea
When: 29 Nov 14 17:19
Fair enough that's your opinion mate about Henderson, now tell me all these Mullins horses that peak season after season if that's ok
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 29 Nov 14 20:40
Some horses dont train on or not deteriorate with age, dont know the stats on networks offspring but i would not be owning a poliglote over the age of 6.

they should just retire SS
By:
buddeliea
When: 30 Nov 14 08:16
Those that maintain top class form are rare - exactly Sage,rare indeed,and yes we do know who they are.

Not really sure why CV has had a pop at Henderson here,as far as I can see hes no worse than any other trainer in having horses that have setbacks. Just at this moment he has 2 top class high profile animals out at the same time.One of those has a heart problem....is that trainers fault??!!

Anyway,do we always know if a horse is at its peak??,i mean a defending champion can be at its peak but can simply get beat by a better horse.
Fact is Henderson has had many horses that have run and won and placed in top races at the Cheltenham festival over more than one year!!
By:
CR7
When: 30 Nov 14 10:59
Has more then 2 top class high profile animals out tbh
By:
buddeliea
When: 30 Nov 14 11:10
Ok,but I think SS and Simonsig are the horses that most are disappointed about-maybe MTOY as well,but the main point is that hes not the only trainer who has horses in his yard that are currently on the sidelines,and his history imo is no worse than most.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 30 Nov 14 12:53
has a poor record keeping chasers sound  and second season novices are few and far between imo
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 01 Dec 14 10:14
Hardly think you can call the progression of SS a one season peak. He was excellent during his novice season aswell. All horses get injuries from time to time the horse raced 5 times last year which was hardly running it into the ground.
By:
sisyphus
When: 01 Dec 14 10:47
Carrying pole snapped taking on Sizing at Punchestown at the end of an extended season.
By:
Angel Gabrial
When: 03 Dec 14 01:23
CV talking rubbish here. Look what Henderson did with See You Then, take Kauto Star away and Long Run is a triple winner of the KG. Every trainer struggles to keep a horse peaking at various age stages of it`s racing career even Mullins. Expecting horses to win multiple championship races at Cheltenham year after year is not realistic, great when it happens though.

Anyway, i am willing to take the angle that Henderson is overly cautious over the well being of his stable and wants every box ticked to put Sacre on the track again. Cheltenham is the focus. Softly softly.
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