Treve

can't understand the negativity that surrounds treves run at ascot, all of the first three home broke the track record, they were going so quick that treve was run off her feet trying to stay in touch and to finish where she did in the type of race it turned out on less than ideal going over an inadequate trip was a marvellous effort and makes her still the one they all have to beat in the arc.

Any chance of getting Thierry back on board? :(

Noticed something at Ascot....Frankie just dropped low for a couple of strides and started riding her....very early on....in the first half mile....don't think she ever liked going that pace on that ground but still ran well clocking a solid time.

Also got to factor in the ear plugs which they took off down at the start....back in Paris they'll be able to pull them off during the race....anything for an edge eh....

They have asked plenty of Treve  in her two runs this year over ten furlongs this year  .

It is a big ask to go and win the Arc for a second time  as a four year old but missing out on the KG will help ,  though you have to think she would  win that race  on suitable ground   . I remember the days of dual KG  winner  Dalia also from France and  ridden by The long fellow laughing  at the opposition in the KG  as a four year , some  people myself included would rate Treve of similar ability over twelve furlongs , pity she is not trained by Freddie Head who knows how to campaign Top Horses but that is a personal opinion .

Dahlia*

Was a big fan of Treve myself last year & thought she would win the Arc.
But her two runs this year have been a concern imo.
In fact I expressed my concerns after viewing her 1st run this year (2nd to CDA)
She looked in trouble to my eye from some way out on her 1st run & did not cruise into the rac like she did last year.
I don't buy into the trip thing either (10f) she was super impressive over 10f in last years Fr Oaks. She prob does not want the ground to fast (like Ascot) & some ease in the ground would suit (g/s).
But for me she just does not seem to have improved from 3to4 & I could not back her to win the Arc unless she wins a race in style (of last year) before Arc day.
We shall see.

Pitching her in against CDA over ten on soft ground  was a mistake imo ,CDA ran Frankel to  just a little over a  length  at that trip with brave  KG winner Nathaniel five lengths away ,  no surprise to see her held by him on that form ,   but the point about her  nearly as good at ten furlongs may well be true because no Arc winner in the last ten years would beat  CDA over ten furlongs  on soft ground imo ....See the Moon  could,  as the Cliche has it,  be anything,   but the evidence that Treve is out of the ordinary is already firmly established in the eyes of most Pundits .

could be anything*

Mac99 sorry to hear you would rate Treve alongside Dahlia. Dahlia was very smart. She won the Irish Oaks easily beating Mysterious who had won the 1000 Gns and Oaks. Treve beat Wild Cocoa who wasn't a Gr 1 horse and Chicquita who was pretty wayward and only beat Venus di Milo in the Irish Oaks. Dahlia also won the KG twice and in fact the list of wins is very special. I think she ran over 40 times so not just benefiting from the 3 year old fillies allowance. Treve still has a very long way to go imo.