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24 Jun 14 02:04
Date Joined: 07 Feb 06
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Aidan will want this fella to be ready to live up to that name,entered in a few big races,debut will be interesting lets follow this
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Report The Headmaster June 24, 2014 2:52 PM BST
With five runners here, Coolmore trampled the 5-4 favourite Dawn Approach, whose owner, Sheikh Mohammed, has yet to win the Derby in his own colours and found no relief from the steroids scandal afflicting his Godolphin operation in Newmarket. Dawn Approach pulled like a bronco in a Western before carting his rider to the front of the 12-runner field and then fizzling out to finish last behind the 7-1 shot Ruler Of The World, trained by Aidan O’Brien and ridden by Ryan Moore.

In stamina, quality and tactics, Godolphin were out-gunned by the mighty Irish team, whose best blood derives from the first of their five Derby winners, Galileo, Ruler Of The World’s sire. Ten Epsom champions have now burst out of boxes at Ballydoyle, where Vincent O’Brien trained six before handing over to Aidan (no relation), who can now claim four. To add to the picture of clan activity, Vincent O’Brien was the father of Sue, who married John Magnier, the shrewdest of all the Coolmore heavyweights.

The full team line-up looks like this. Sue names the horses and draws on all her wisdom from the Vincent O’Brien era. John Magnier is estimated to be worth £556 million and has homes in Ireland, Barbados and Switzerland.

Michael Tabor is a bookmaker turned currency dealer valued at £550 million (his wife Doreen is also involved). Derrick Smith is a former Ladbrokes trading director now based in Barbados with his wife, Gay, and is rated at £565 million by the Sunday Times Rich List.

None can match the wealth or political clout of Sheikh Mohammed, but together they are a formidable foe for Godolphin, still reeling from the 22 positive tests for steroids recorded at the Moulton Paddocks Stables previously occupied by Mahmood Al Zarooni, since banned for eight years.

The Derby has not seen such a monopoly for more than half a century. The Earl of Egremont prevailed with Assassin (1772), Hannibal (1804), Cardinal Beaufort (1805), Election (1807) and Lapdog in 1826. The third Aga Khan won three in the 1930s with Blenheim, Bahram and Mahmoud and added My Love (1948) and Tulyar (1952).

Tabor and Magnier had already shared victories with Galileo (2001), High Chaparral (2002), Pour Moi (2011) and Camelot last year. Galileo, Coolmore’s strandard-bearing stallion, was responsible for five of this year’s 12 Derby runners. Ruler Of The World’s name was no punt. It was tied to the horse’s bloodlines and potential, as Magnier explained: “All the horses are rated on pedigree, then rated as individuals. Sue names all the horses in February/March time. Aidan gives his thoughts from week to week.

This horse obviously made his way to the top. Sometimes they get it [the naming] right, sometimes they don’t. We’ve had a lot of bad American presidents.”
Coolmore’s formula is to fish the best gene pool and send the finest products to O’Brien, who is not reliant on the old system of testing horses in Classic trials, though Ruler Of The World did win the Chester Vase, a traditional prep race. This Derby winner was not seen as a two-year-old and made his debut as recently as April, at The Curragh.

Comments made after last year's Derby, which must surely have irked our Sue....maybe she's going to nail one at last.
Report sintonian June 24, 2014 4:09 PM BST
Laugh Timely post, Headmaster.
Report Graeme83 June 25, 2014 10:23 AM BST
"john f kennedy is travelling well"
Report sintonian June 25, 2014 5:40 PM BST
'' JFK has stopped as if he's been..'' Surprised
Report A_T June 25, 2014 6:46 PM BST
will cover a huge book of mares
Report unclepuncle June 26, 2014 11:07 AM BST
Just as long as they don't run it on a track that has a grassy knoll.Devil
Report Graeme83 June 26, 2014 11:16 AM BST
The horses name looks out of place at that operation. Kennedy was against greed and corruption, and called for freedom of press and transparency. Ballydoyle go against all of those principals. Witholding information on a horse with that name, to fill their own pockets with a gamble, well it pretty much sums them up. Sometimes the rich and intelligent just don't get it, like when someone thought it would be a groovy idea to have Bob Dylan sing ' the times they are a changin' in the Whitehouse.
Report Figgis June 26, 2014 12:43 PM BST
Well there was the Sam Giancana connection. Actually that might be a more suitable name, or maybe Al Capone, given his reputation as a tax dodger Wink
Report Clerkmore June 26, 2014 2:53 PM BST
Kennedy was against greed and corruption,

You obviously don't know anything about old Joe Kennedy!
Report AlfieT June 27, 2014 2:05 PM BST
I backed this a couple of months ago (I mentioned it in the Derby thread) on the basis of Coolmore saving their best names for their best horses. I guess I am on the right track, not many horses get their own thread, even before that have been entered for a race.
Report john92 June 28, 2014 10:25 PM BST
He has a younger brother that will supposedly be even better.
Report The Headmaster July 15, 2014 5:39 PM BST
Apparently both Pegasus and Coolmore are reserved names and I suspect they won't be deployed until all Sue's ducks are in a row.....JFK I'm not so sure - like the big man said...."We’ve had a lot of bad American presidents.”...but he's entered on Saturday at the Curragh so we might get to find out.
Report dunlaying July 15, 2014 7:55 PM BST
How is your luck Headmaster? Any better?
Report Try My Best July 15, 2014 11:30 PM BST
prefer ol man river his other one in the race. JFK May foal. That's pretty late
Report Millerracing67 July 16, 2014 11:02 PM BST
Holds an entry on Sats Ire Oaks card JFK.
Report The Headmaster July 18, 2014 11:44 AM BST
dunlaying - no...shocking!  Hope you're doing better???
Report dunlaying July 18, 2014 1:35 PM BST
I am sorry to hear that Sir. Things will look up eventually, of that I am sure.
Report AlfieT July 19, 2014 5:01 PM BST
Tapestry, a full sister runs in the Irish Oaks, breeding doesn't look like a stayer though, we will have to wait and see.
Report Try My Best July 19, 2014 5:04 PM BST
will love every inch of the oaks trip
Report xaar July 24, 2014 12:35 PM BST
debut today
Report Tucho July 24, 2014 5:58 PM BST
JFK blown away, what else do I have to say
Report sintonian July 24, 2014 7:00 PM BST
Looked awkward. Will improve obviously.
Report Try My Best July 24, 2014 7:03 PM BST
can't wait to see ol man river. Looked a beauty in the sales ring with a fantastic attitude.
Report SoYouThink July 25, 2014 10:33 PM BST
They also have 2yo's named Fields of Athenry, Sir Isaac Newton & Sherlock Holmes. Going by names, one of these might turn out to be decent....does anyone know anything about any of them?
Report alleged22 July 25, 2014 11:50 PM BST
if I were them id give up on dead American presidents as names

maybe US hit tv shows will work better I nominate

game of thrones
Report sintonian July 26, 2014 12:42 PM BST
There is not much imagination involved in the naming of theirs horses but I guess that's what happens when you have hundreds to name. Still, a little more effort from the wives can't be much to ask for, hard to imagine them working hard everyday.
Report Sankara July 26, 2014 1:14 PM BST
Wonder which of their pool of brilliant minds came up with Was and Say and Up.
Report duffy July 26, 2014 2:30 PM BST
What about Star Wars characters....I'd love to see a Derby winner named Jabba The HutGrin
Report ReaseHeath July 26, 2014 2:41 PM BST
not expecting Pistorius, Rolf or Clifford to make their debuts any time soon...
Report sintonian July 27, 2014 11:24 AM BST
Probably the same one that came up with Words, Sankara. She actually looks pretty smart so worth following that one!
Report sintonian July 27, 2014 11:26 AM BST
Maybe they just get a dictionary and throw it on the floor and see what page it lands on then pick a word. One day we'll see a horse named fellatio or rectum Excited
Report A_T July 27, 2014 4:21 PM BST
pompous doesn't even begin to describe it
Report themover August 10, 2014 2:39 PM BST
Report sintonian August 11, 2014 11:47 AM BST
All smiles. And excuses.

Never is one of theirs beaten on merit. Has to be a reason.
Report AlfieT August 12, 2014 4:38 PM BST
JFK blown away, what else do I have to say

But next time he did the blowin! and a new joint Derby fav (in places) Maybe the ground, maybe needed the race first time? 

tracked leaders, 5th halfway, closer in 4th 2f out, ridden to lead over 1 1/2f out, stretched clear final furlong, impressive
Report deadmurph5 August 13, 2014 9:46 AM BST
Doesn't much look like a Derby horse to me, looks a big strong galloper. Coming round Tattenham corner I think he could end up in Hounslow.
Report Try My Best August 13, 2014 8:22 PM BST
2015 derby winner out tomorrow
Report AlfieT August 21, 2014 4:00 PM BST
So I suppose that stamina doubts were dispelled by Tapestry.
Report Do wah Diddy August 29, 2014 10:03 PM BST
Report Try My Best September 11, 2014 8:01 PM BST
JFK in the group 3 over a mile on Saturday. Obviously not quick enough to be their 2000G hope and run in the National Stakes
Report alleged22 September 11, 2014 8:23 PM BST
Australia won the same race.... and ended up their 2000g horse Crazy
Report Try My Best September 11, 2014 8:33 PM BST
and lost
Report lingbleed September 11, 2014 11:59 PM BST
am going for both days , looking forward to seeing this fella in the flesh ,also cant wait to see free eagle ,as seen him last year before this very race ,and he looked a little weak ,as in he had plenty of grown and filling out to do ,will be interested to see what he looks like in the flesh ,i just hope he runs
Report Try My Best September 13, 2014 4:09 PM BST
Nice performance
Report xaar September 13, 2014 4:26 PM BST
looks like a proper one now
Report Millerracing67 September 13, 2014 7:12 PM BST
Nice showing again 2day from JFK.
Head a bit high would be my only fault with him (poss still greenness)
Love the way he moves over the ground, great action Cool
Nice prospect indeed.
Report deepingfox September 14, 2014 11:42 PM BST
This horse has to be AOB's star juvenile this year, one more run and win in a Group 1 to cement the idea that he is the 2000 Guineas centrepiece to the AOB challenge.
Report xaar May 14, 2015 12:04 PM BST
D Day today
Report A_T May 14, 2015 9:11 PM BST
has it finished yet?
Report G1_Jockey_4 May 15, 2015 12:28 PM BST
think lee harvey may have got to it...
Report Beryl July 20, 2017 9:15 PM BST
Do you remember him? Winter favourite for the 2015 Derby before finishing last in both the Ballysax and Dante.

Well, Coolmore have named another of their horses after an American president and he is entered in a maiden at Leopardstown next Thursday, the same maiden Camelot won.

His name is Delano Roosevelt - Galileo x Again

He's already in the betting for both the Guineas and Derby....
Report Fashion Fever July 20, 2017 11:08 PM BST
wonder if sue will name one Donald trump
Report Beryl July 27, 2017 6:58 PM BST
Well despite being 14/1 and the stable 3rd string, he won that with a fair bit up his sleeve. Whilst it was only a head between first and second it doesn't represent  his superiority.

Delano looks a very good one.
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