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12 May 14 23:27
Date Joined: 23 Feb 02
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Report Millerracing67 May 12, 2014 11:38 PM BST
With a name like yours, u should be able to tell us, cant u ??
Report mac99 May 13, 2014 7:17 AM BST
Should win on good ground , but if it comes up in any way soft would not be so sure 11/8 is very short ...too short
Report sintonian May 13, 2014 7:42 AM BST
Impossible to estimate without knowing what the opposition is.
Report Ballydoyle May 13, 2014 9:03 AM BST
2.5 lengths for me with a fellow stablemate chasing him home.
Report alleged22 May 13, 2014 9:22 AM BST
according to the flat mafia breeding machine he,s going to sprout wings like Pegasus at the 2 furlong marker and win by 10 lengths hard held. but im a realist and at 11/8  I,ll be trying to find a tad more value
Report Ballydoyle May 13, 2014 9:23 AM BST
7-2 in pocket which will do me.

Won it 4 times so knows what is required.

The rest are two bob
Report alleged22 May 13, 2014 9:28 AM BST
dunno bally there has to be one or two not exposed to give him a race. the last 2 he has won it with were not  that special imo and you have to go back 10+ yrs to galileo and High chapperal who imo were well above average derby winners
Report alleged22 May 13, 2014 9:30 AM BST
I just have to take anything Obrien says with a pinch of salt....
Report Ballydoyle May 13, 2014 10:16 AM BST
Only won 4 Derbys I suppose
Report alleged22 May 13, 2014 10:24 AM BST
from how many runners, bearing in mind he goes at the race mob handed...
Report deadmurph5 May 13, 2014 11:25 AM BST
15 lengths
Report sintonian May 13, 2014 12:00 PM BST
Report Figgis May 13, 2014 12:16 PM BST
If it's a well run race I'll say a minimum of 3.5 lengths. If it's a particularly strongly run race and he's held up in rear we could see more of a Camelot or even Workforce type winning margin.
Report roadrunner46 May 13, 2014 12:25 PM BST
diminishing 2.5 length victory
Report unclepuncle May 13, 2014 12:48 PM BST
minus half a length - will kick clear and then be nabbed on line imo.Devil
Report kincsem May 13, 2014 12:52 PM BST
This sounds like a Ballydoyle campaign to frighten off the opposition and reduce the field.
My guess is he is 3rd, beaten 2 lengths.
Report kincsem May 13, 2014 12:57 PM BST
Nice link
Report Try My Best May 17, 2014 12:45 PM BST
The only one bred for the job imo. Will win
Report CR7 May 17, 2014 11:13 PM BST
Report ffs June 6, 2014 2:32 AM BST
Obv depends on the weather - if it stays good, or better, then he should beat KH more than than he did in the Guineas, so 5L+ def possible.
Report ffs June 6, 2014 2:34 AM BST
Put it another way, on good or better I'd say he'll post a RPR of 128+ so ... they'll do very well to get within 3 lengths of that
Report metro john June 6, 2014 7:35 PM BST
7-15 lenghts
Report toilettennisplayer June 6, 2014 10:34 PM BST
the heavens will open, pretty much a 'given', Australia wont like it, finish 7th at best - maybe even pulled out due to bad ground - Chester Vase will buck the trend of being a poor trial, 1 and 2 will be Orchestra and Romsdal, not sure which order though ....
Report Try My Best June 7, 2014 4:15 PM BST
All class. Great ride Joey
Report ffs June 8, 2014 6:37 AM BST
yup - he did the simple things perfectly - got his position, stayed out of trouble - rode the horse like he was the best in the race - never in doubt.

I'm not always his biggest fan but he's a top class big-race jockey.
Report metro john June 8, 2014 8:10 AM BST
Thought he was very lucky to get away with that ride,gave far too much ground to Kingston Hill,that said the belief in the horse was confirmed.
Report Angel Gabrial June 8, 2014 9:20 AM BST
Metro - strange reflection on the ride.

Joseph sent Australia on a furlong out, he didn`t need any luck.
Report metro john June 8, 2014 9:40 AM BST
Angel Gabrial,good morningWink,just my opinion,with ground a little softer than normal,he gave plenty of ground away from start too 3 furlong out,against top of the ground horses on a firmer surface he may not have got away with it? With the speed he had shown it was a very confident ride,so many positives for us to take in,I think he was ridden to preserve the horse for future events,but he had to make plenty of ground up and be well ridden in the final furlong to stop him from idoling,he is a brilliant racehorse and the confidence in the horse plain to see.Just a pity the ratings will not yet show how good he is yet,possibly with such a large crowd of very good middle distant horses around this generation?
Report Angel Gabrial June 8, 2014 9:48 AM BST
Good morningMischief

Kingston Hill is not a horse that wants firm ground. The opposite to what you say is true, if it was soft ground then perhaps Kingston Hill would would have done him.
Report metro john June 8, 2014 9:50 AM BST
The ground was not fast,I believe he gave him too much ground,just opinion.
Report metro john June 8, 2014 9:52 AM BST
Oh yes i do agree Kingston Hill wants it soft, but that ground was good enough for a good performance,so I see it as a risky ride by Joseph.(would not expect others to agree)
Report Ballydoyle June 10, 2014 12:21 PM BST
Job done and a beautiful ride by Joseph. The only worry was the ground.
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