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Pandorama has an entry. No idea if he runs but yard going well now.
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A little bit underwhelmed.
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Catty that you ?
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Ah Pandorama, bet his owner really regrets going against Meade's advice on running him on the quick ground in the Gold Cup.
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1 45-F47 Quito De La Roque7 10 11-10 C A Murphy 154 130 168
2 2-3094 Prince De Beauchene7 11 11-7 W P Mullins45 151 119 165 3 1-2213 Make A Track17 8 11-3 C F Swan33 147 114 167 4 031-64 Klepht23 9 11-0 Thomas Mullins 144 143 158 5 372-FU Vesper Bell12 8 10-13 W P Mullins45 143 126 163 6 5-1766 On His Own47 10 10-12 W P Mullins45 142 143 160 7 P-3406 Sweeney Tunes27 8 10-12 Paul Nolan 142 106 162 8 1P235 Ipsos Du Berlais5 8 10-7 Noel Meade29 137 107 165 9 08-241 Cootamundra60 11 10-5 J A Berry100 135 119 164 10 4F811 Playing19 11 10-4 Thomas Foley 134 114 155 11 4PFP-2 Uncle Junior69 13 10-4 W P Mullins45 134 148 172 12 262153 Balnaslow28 7 10-3 W P Mullins45 133 146 162 13 11-756 Lookoutnow27 9 10-3 Eoin Doyle67 133 150 165 14 111P-P Rich Revival27 10 10-3 Miss Elizabeth Doyle40 133 103 162 15 113P/0 Groody Hill22 8 9-13 C Roche100 129 — — 16 3F-000 Romanesco27 9 9-13 Gordon Elliott40 129 146 169 17 080035 Whodoyouthink12 9 9-13 Oliver McKiernan67 129 112 155 18 1321F 1 Hunting Party27 8 9-12 D T Hughes57 128 126 165 19 156-80 Panther Claw27 8 9-12 Paul Nolan 128 117 172 20 24-121 2 Los Amigos32 7 9-10 J T R Dreaper50 126 74 164 21 8-P078 3 Tarquinius12 11 9-10 Gordon Elliott40 126 163 173 22 6974F 4 Sole Witness11 10 9-9 C A McBratney25 125 115 160 23 11-24P 5 Caheronaun53 8 9-7 D T Hughes57 123 135 157 24 645F53 6 Archie Meade23 9 9-5 Daniel John Howard 121 138 163 25 25-43P 7 Cadspeed4 11 9-5 W P Mullins45 121 120 154 26 07-FP6 8 Caduceus53 10 9-4 P Hughes 120 60 153 27 9PP-61 9 Oscars Business39 10 9-4 Robert Tyner67 120 109 158 28 6-0221 11 Castle Wings19 9 9-3 James Joseph Mangan 119 131 161 29 174F0 10 Living Next Door26 8 9-3 A J Martin67 119 63 162 30 P13PP 12 Tinakellylad12 10 9-1 M F Morris60 117 71 158 31 P62411 14 Thelobstercatcher22 10 8-13 P A Fahy 115 132 155 32 6-1FF1 13 Wrong Turn25 8 8-13 A J Martin67 115 126 154 33 386499 15 Hidden Crack4 10 8-11 Seamus Fahey 113 95 150 34 P-P752 16 Carry Each Other12 8 8-9 M F Morris60 111 110 146 |
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Hope Los Amigos is entered in final decs - av played at 9s, can only see that price going one way!
Form of his beginners Chase has worked out well - Grand Jesture who was 2nd boosted his form nicely yesterday winning easily from the 123 rated hit the Headlines Ballyburke in 3rd hosed up off 118 nto Jupitor in 4th - was 2nd nto off 116 and won at limk over xmas And the form of his 2nd on handicap debut is even better than it looks as he was the only one to get close to the winner who stole it from the front, did well to get within 3l and was miles clear of the 3rd who won easily nto Los Amigos was den put back over hurdles to mind his mark for a big one i assume and won that Novice hurdle too and the 2nd and 3rd av won since too Could b nicely treated off 126 if this is the plan as you'd hope it would be |
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I know which one will look like the winner with 2 to jump.
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whether he will or not is dubious
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Shortlist is Balnaslow, Hunting Party, Groody Hill & Lookoutnow
I've a feeling based on his last 2 runs that Balnaslow was kept racing into winter with this race in mind. Tempted to take a little of 12/1 now prior to final decs. |
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Good spot BJG. Forms could not have worked out any better. Only 2 chase runs though? Do novices usually win this?
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Tarquinnius was 2nd in this last year but came into the race with some form for the season, this time around he has ran deplorably.
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The Goffs Thyestes Handicap Chase is one of the highlights on the Irish National Hunt calendar each year and takes place at Gowran Park on Thursday 23rd January. The race can often throw up clues for the Irish and Aintree Grand Nationals later in the season with Hedgehunter and Numbersixvalverde featuring amongst the last 10 winners of the race. The last 7 winners had contested the Paddy Power Chase at Leopardstown, Tim Duggan Memorial at Limerick or Welsh National at Chepstow over Christmas.
Below we take a look at the trends for the past 10 runnings: Age (Win-Place-Runners) 6yo: 0-0-1 7yo: 1-2-18 8yo: 3-7-40 9yo: 4-11-46 10yo: 1-7-46 11yo+: 1-2-18 Horses aged 7 to 9 have a combined record of 8-20-104, which compares well to horses aged 10+: 2-9-64. Both winners aged 10+ had been placed in previous year’s race. Since 1990 there have only been three 6yo runners, 4/1 favourite fell in 1994, 25/1 unplaced in 1998 and 4/1 joint favourite fell in 2013. Weight (Win-Place-Runners) Horses carrying 10-9 or more: 2-13-77 Horses carrying 10-8 or less: 8-16-92 Horses carrying less than 10-9 have won 8 of the last 10 runnings of this race. The 2 winners to carry 10-9+ to victory were Preists Leap in 2009 (won the race previous year) and Siegemaster in 2011 (3rd the previous year). Top Weight: 744F42010U (1-3-10) Official Ratings Horses rated 130 or higher: 2-13-68 Horses rated 129 or lower: 8-16-101 8 of 10 winners were officially rated 129 or lower, however in recent years the trends has pointed towards higher rated runners, with 6 of the last 7 winners being rated 124+. Recent/Past Form 10 of 10 winners had had a run since Christmas 9 of 10 winners had won or placed on one or both of last two completed starts 9 of 10 winners had won over at least 3 miles 7 of 10 winners had run in 4 to 11 chases (3 exceptions had run in 16-17 chases previously) 10 of 10 winners had run in 7 or fewer handicap chases 7 of 10 winners were first or second season chasers (3 exceptions finished in first 3 in previous year's race) 9 of 10 winners ran at Leopardstown, Limerick or Chepstow Christmas meetings 8 of 10 winners had won or placed in a class 2/grade C or higher chase Other Races Highest placed finisher from previous year's race: 5P2610907 (1-1-9) Highest placed finisher from Paddy Power Chase to run in this: 923P3P369 (0-4-9) Tim Duggan Memorial Handicap Chase winner (Make A Track): 60 (0-0-2) Highest placed finisher from Tim Duggan Memorial H'cap Chase: 6P0127 (1-1-6) Irish Stallion Farms EBF Novice H'cap Chase winner (Panther Claw): 2 (0-1-1) 10euro Admission Handicap Chase winner (Tinakellylad): 2 (0-1-1) Fairyhouse Members Handicap Chase winner (Thelobstercatcher): 2 (0-1-1) Kilkenny Carey's Cottage Cup Handicap Chase winner (Lookoutnow): 3 (0-1-1) Prancer and Dancer Handicap Chase winner (Oscars Business): 4 (0-1-1) Leinster National winner (Rich Revival): 3 (0-1-1) Martinstown Opportunity Handicap Chase winner (Wrong Turn): U2 (0-1-2) Batterstown H'cap Chase winner (Thelobstercatcher): 3U (0-1-2) Previous season's Punchestown Hospitality Beg Chase winner (Vesper Bell): PF (0-0-2) Troytown Handicap Chase winner (Cootamundra): 885 (0-0-3) 4 of 10 winners (4 of last 7) ran in the Paddy Power Chase last time, finishing FF8B 3 of 10 winners ran in Troytown, finishing 044 2 of 10 ran in the Tim Duggan Memorial Handicap Chase, finishing 73 2 of 10 winners ran in previous Irish National, finishing 7F 2 of 10 winners ran in Welsh National, finishing 3P Trainers Willie Mullins (3-6-24) has saddled 2 winner and 5 places in the past 7 years and has trained 4 winners since 2000. Dessie Hughes (1-3-6) has a very strong record in this, with his 6 four runners producing 1 winner (Siegemaster in 2011) and 3 places. Tony Martin (1-2-5) won this in 2006 and see 4 of his 5 runners since 2004 make first 5. James Mangan (1-0-5) won the race in 2010 with Whinstone Boy, who was placed in the Tim Duggan Memorial in December. His entry this year, Castle Wings, also placed in that race this season. Paul Nolan (0-5-9) has seen 5 of his 9 runners make the places in past 10 years. Colin McBratney (0-1-2), Gordon Elliott (0-1-3) and Robert Tyner (0-1-4) have each saddled a placed finisher in past 2 years. Noel Meade (0-0-9) has not had much luck in this, with his 15 runners since 2000 all finishing unplaced. Running Style 2 of 10 winners led/made all 4 of 10 winners tracked leaders 3 of 10 winners were settled in mid-division 1 of 10 winners were held up towards rear Price No strong trends on the prices with 5 of the last 7 winners have gone off between 16/1 & 25/1 while the previous 3 winners all went off 8/1 or shorter. Favourites (2-4-12) have gained just 2 wins in the past 10 year, giving a level stakes loss of 3.42. Last winning favourite was in 2006 Summary: Based on the trends from the past 10 years you are looking for a horse: - Aged 7 to 9 (or placed in 2013 Thyestes) - Carrying 10-9 or less (or placed in last year’s race) - Officially rated 124 to 135 - Run since Christmas (ideally at Limerick, Leopardstown or Chepstow Festivals) - Won or placed on one or both of last 2 completed chase starts - Has won over 3M+ - Run in 7 or fewer handicap chases - First or second season chaser (or placed in last year’s race) - Previously won or placed in a Grade C or better chase - Ran in the Tim Duggan Memorial, Paddy Power Chase or Welsh National in December - Placed in the Troytown Chase - Tends to race prominently - Trained by Willie Mullins, Dessie Hughes, Tony Martin or Paul Nolan - See more at: http://racecaller.com/horse-racing-forum/upcoming-big-races/thyestes-handicap-chase-trends-2014-1390236938#sthash.pz7IXo28.dpuf |
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the Tony Martin pair look quite interesting to me. Both horses in seasonal form and could be well handicapped. But could be out of the weights if top two run, and they're entered for the 2m5f race on Saturday too. Living Next Door would be the one for me if running. I suspect he will.
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Not as close to Irish Form as many but what's the deal with Lookoutnow?
Progressive over fences last season, he impressed when 5th (beaten only 3 lengths though) at Clonmel in November over hurdles, on its first stab at 3 miles. That must have been a sighter to see if it got the trip, because it was back to 2m 3f yds at Limerick last time out just after Christmas, back over fences, which looks like it was a schooling exercise, over an inadequate trip, to get him used to the bigger obstacles again. Twice a course winner on heavy ground, is unexposed at this trip, a front-runner set to carry only 10-03. Looks a masterpiece of handicapping by his trainer but interested to see what the Irish on here reckon? |
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Gary Nutting ATR site
Dual course winner LOOKOUTNOW appears to have quite a bit in his favour and is worth an interest in the Thyestes Chase at Gowran Park this week. Eoin Doyle's nine-year-old has gained both those victories on heavy ground over 2m4f and with conditions likely to be testing once again, he promises to deliver even more stepped up to three miles. By Beneficial out of a Roselier mare, there's no shortage of stamina in his pedigree and he's a half-brother to Baile Anrai, who was a dual winner over staying trips during his novice chase days when trained by Ian Williams. Lookoutnow also beat last month's Paddy Power Chase winner Rockyaboya in a 2m6f handicap hurdle on bad ground two seasons ago, so it will be disappointing if he doesn't improve for this stiffer test over fences. Doyle has protected the gelding's mark this season with two outings over hurdles followed by a run in a 2m3f handicap chase at Limerick over Christmas. It wasn't a bad effort in the circumstances to finish sixth to impressive winner Make A Track and he's set to meet that rival on 9lb better terms, with the longer trip a major plus back at his favourite venue. Willie Mullins is mob-handed at this stage, with On His Own and Vesper Bell disputing favouritism in most lists, along with the Jim Dreaper-trained Los Amigos. On His Own hacked up in this race two years ago off a 17lb lower mark and has the class to go in again if back to his best. He proved a disappointing favourite in the Becher Chase last time but had fallen on both previous runs over the National fences so that may not be the best course on which to judge his wellbeing. Vesper Bell was a smart novice last season and although he failed to come up to expectations in the four-miler at Cheltenham, he redeemed his reputation somewhat with a gallant second to Goonyella back on testing ground at the Punchestown festival. Things have not gone smoothly since however - he fell at the first in the Becher and unseated in the Classic Chase at Warwick before the race really got going. Los Amigos, much lower in the weights, arrives with a very different profile and could be well handicapped after just two chase runs, winning at Fairyhouse on his seasonal debut and finishing second in a Punchestown handicap in which the winner was allowed too much rope in front. Given his relative lack of experience though, a top price of 9-1 is fairly easy to resist in a race where there are plenty of hardy warriors likely to test his jumping prowess. RECOMMENDED BET (SCALE 1-5 POINTS): THYESTES CHASE (GOWRAN PARK - 23 JANUARY) 1pt each way LOOKOUTNOW (14-1 Bet365, Coral) |
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Cheers BJG - no sooner asked than given!
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This is a very tricky race. Don;t think I can get heavily involved. I can make a case for 6 tbh!!
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It is a tough race. I was looking at Sole Witness last night too. He was 4th last year, admittedly beaten 16 lengths, but is 6lb lower now. 40/1 looks a reasonable price to me. He only ran 11 days ago though so waiting to see if he is a definite runner.
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Los Amigos @ 9/1 for me.
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I always remember Dun Doire every time this race comes round. Is Living Next Door another Dun Doire?
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GOWRAN PARK, Thursday, 23rd January 2014 Listing generated on 22-JAN-14 at 10:45
(3:15) 15E Goffs Thyestes H'cap S'chase (Grade A) €60,000.00 ( 3m 1f - 5yo+ )[MAX 18] No Horse Owner Trainer Rider Wgt 1 Vesper Bell(143) Mrs S Ricci (WPMullins) . 11,07 2 On His Own(142) Andrea Wylie (WPMullins) . 11,06 3 Ipsos Du Berlais (FR)(137) Gigginstown House Stud (NMeade) Ger Fox(7)(C) 11,01 4 Cootamundra(135) Turbine Syndicate (JABerry) Robbie Moran 10,13 5 Playing (FR)(134) P.E.Delaney (TFoley) Kevin Sexton(5)(C) 10,12 6 Uncle Junior(134) Mrs M McMahon (WPMullins) .(C) 10,12 7 Balnaslow(133) Gigginstown House Stud (WPMullins) Bryan Cooper 10,11 8 Lookoutnow(133) Damien Carroll (EDoyle) Michael Butler(3) 10,11 9 Rich Revival(133) Miss Mary C.M. Murphy (MissEDoyle) Brian O'Connell 10,11 10 Groody Hill(129) John P. McManus (CRoche) Alan Crowe(H) 10,07 11 Whodoyouthink(129) Redgap Partnership (OMcKiernan) Robbie Colgan 10,07 12 Hunting Party(128) Lyreen Syndicate (DTHughes) PCarberry 10,06 13 Panther Claw(128) Gigginstown House Stud (PNolan) Barry Geraghty(B) 10,06 14 Los Amigos(126) Mrs.P.J.Conway (JTRDreaper) AELynch 10,04 15 Tarquinius (FR)(126) Richard Gilbert (GElliott) .(CT) 10,04 16 Sole Witness(125) Mrs F.J. Savage (CAMcBratney) Ben Dalton(3) 10,03 17 Archie Meade(121) T J O'Sullivan (DJHoward) DJHoward(T) 9,13 18 Caduceus(120) Dr Michael Carmody (PHughes) APHeskin 9,12 19 (R1) Oscars Business(120) Mrs Mary Tyner (RTyner) Phillip Enright(T) 9,12 20 (R2) Living Next Door(119) John Breslin (AJMartin) . 9,11 21 (R3) Castle Wings(119) Matthew Curran (JJMangan) . 9,11 |
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had a little eachway on Sole Witness now that he's been declared, 40/1.
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Balnaslow looks like he’s been aimed at this race in how he’s been campaigned since his Beginners Chase win over 22f. Davy Russell had said he’d be finishing up now before the winter after that race. So there must have been a decision to keep him racing and the drop back in trip to 2m and 2m3f is sure to be to protect a handicap mark He’s got staying pedigree on both Sire and Dam side. He would prefer better ground as he’s by Presenting but his half brother on his Dam side No Deal just won a 3m Hurdle on Heavy ground earlier this month. Balnaslow himself ran a fine race behind The Paparrazi Kid and Felix yonger on soft ground at Christmas so he handles the ground it seems, the weather forecast is for dry Wednesday and Thursday so the going should remain soft and not worsen. But he’s a sound jumper and being a Novice in this race wouldn’t overly concern me. He looks as if he’s well treated off 133 on his form to date and will improve significantly for a step up to 3m1f. Cooper the retained Jockey rides.
1.5pts 11/1 Hunting Party is an interesting one as he was only beaten a 1l by Balnaslow in October. He has since won a Beginners Chase at this course and was sent off 14/1 for the Paddy Power Chase where he fell at the first. He’ll get in here at the bottom of the weights and has a chance. As does Lookoutnow who has been running well. But in an open enough race where I give 6 horses a decent chance. 0.5pts 16/1 |
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I haven't got a clue who'll win but I will be backing Cootamundra as a back to lay as he'll deffo trade shorter late into the race IMO,he provides this option for the punter in most of his races as he's such a strong traveller for a very long way into his races, he isn't the greatest under pressure late on so it's a balancing act at when to get out, to this end his last finishing effort was very surprising.
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I backed him last time Duffy. Thought 10lb rise was ok given he had such a low mark to begin with. 16/1 underestimates him.
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now 38.0 on here thinking the same way as sint and duffy but the massive drift is a concern.
However at such huge price must be a great back to lay in running option if hes still got 4 legs at the start? |
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huge price Geoff but I would guess that is more to do with the reputation/win ration of the horse.
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*win ratio
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if it sets off with 4 legs its 1.01 its going to trade a good deal shorter i/r sint
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Obviously the bigger the price the better, but all the more when you suspect it won't actually win but you get a lot more room to make a better profit off the trade...he's an exciting horse to be on in the run though isn't he.....probably be push push whip whip all the way today now
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managed to get some 42.0 40.0 and 38.0 so whilst expecting an exiting run should at least get a nice freebie in run.good luck
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went down to 4/1 in running...he's finding a bit more for pressure these days.
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wd with the trade.
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Of all yolks to beat me #cliff
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made a few errors but a nice trade even made a few quid as barring accidents was allways going to trade significantly shorter
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I only made a tiny profit in all honesty but I just love the horse because whether you win or lose you always have a lot of fun watching his races...lovely old horse.
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unlucky BJG.
Duffy, I think it is just a case of him running over his correct trip these days. He has had 3 lifetime wins from 35 odd starts and they have all been over 3 miles. Last season he was running in a lot of graded/conditions races over 16 & 20f. |
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Thought we had it there BJG !!
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Yes very true, I wondered what they were doing with him back then.
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