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Tom George reportedly saying its potentially the best horse he has ever trained- supposedly going for the Gold Cup? I had a few quid on at 1000s.
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Mail De Bievre
Cadoudal (FR) – Coyote Davis (IRE) (Kaldoun (FR)
Tall (16’ 2’) well made bay gelding, excellent jumper of fences. Half brother to Sourceror (by Sleeping Car) who is owned by Gigginstown and was trained by Arthur Moore (last run Gordon Elliot), who won an Irish point and is rated 126 over hurdles and 121 over fences in Ireland.
He was bought by Highflyer for E26,000 at the Aqana sales in October 2006 as a yearling, and was sent back to the sales in July 2007 where he was unsold.
He first appeared on a track in the UK for his current owners when he won a modest 1m 5f Junior bumper at Exeter in December 2008 for Alan King. He was well regarded by the trainer as a bumper prospect, but regressed in two subsequent bumpers (4th at Doncaster beaten 2 ¼ lengths and 7th at Uttoxeter beaten 24 lengths). Took a keen hold on his second and third start which appeared to cost him in the latter stages of the races.
Returned to France to compete in four year old chases where he was trained by J. Bertan de Balanda and looked to have improved for fences finishing second on his debut to the highly regarded Rubi Ball (beaten 2 lengths receiving 7lbs). His first race as a 5-y-o confirmed the improvement when he beatn by 3 lengths by Doumaja (conceding 3lbs). He reversed that form a few weeks leader beating the same opponent by 15 lengths (receiving 5lb) to win the Prix Troytown.
The third horse Or Noir De Somoza was a further 3 lengths back in third, giving Mail De Bievre 9lbs, and was subsequently sent to David Pipe who stated at the time he was there to be trained for the Gold Cup or Ryanair. Or Noir De Somoza was awarded a mark of 155 and started his career in the UK in the Grand National where he fell at Beechers on the first circuit. He was well beaten in the Irish National off 152, and in a listed chase back in France, and finished the 2011 season (after two runs over hurdles off 136), being beaten by 48 lengths in the Welsh National off a mark of 136.
Mail De Bievre completed his chase record to date winning the Prix Murat in impressive fashion, with Or Noir De Somoza in 5th beaten 15 lengths conceeding 6lbs.
He has not raced since April 2010 having developed a hole in a tendon. He has continued to exhibit signs of keenness over fences, with the result that his wins have come when running from the front. All of his wins have come on soft or heavy ground, he has only ever jumped fences at Auteuil. He has won £216,000 over fences in France.
It is anyone’s guess what a mark of 175 over fences in France equates to in the UK, but I would personally equate it to no more than 145 – 150 which would leave him 25lbs of winning a moderate Gold Cup (which this may well be).
Mail De Bievre
Cadoudal (FR) – Coyote Davis (IRE) (Kaldoun (FR)
Tall (16’ 2’) well made bay gelding, excellent jumper of fences. Half brother to Sourceror (by Sleeping Car) who is owned by Gigginstown and was trained by Arthur Moore (last run Gordon Elliot), who won an Irish point and is rated 126 over hurdles and 121 over fences in Ireland.
He was bought by Highflyer for E26,000 at the Aqana sales in October 2006 as a yearling, and was sent back to the sales in July 2007 where he was unsold.
He first appeared on a track in the UK for his current owners when he won a modest 1m 5f Junior bumper at Exeter in December 2008 for Alan King. He was well regarded by the trainer as a bumper prospect, but regressed in two subsequent bumpers (4th at Doncaster beaten 2 ¼ lengths and 7th at Uttoxeter beaten 24 lengths). Took a keen hold on his second and third start which appeared to cost him in the latter stages of the races.
Returned to France to compete in four year old chases where he was trained by J. Bertan de Balanda and looked to have improved for fences finishing second on his debut to the highly regarded Rubi Ball (beaten 2 lengths receiving 7lbs). His first race as a 5-y-o confirmed the improvement when he beatn by 3 lengths by Doumaja (conceding 3lbs). He reversed that form a few weeks leader beating the same opponent by 15 lengths (receiving 5lb) to win the Prix Troytown.
The third horse Or Noir De Somoza was a further 3 lengths back in third, giving Mail De Bievre 9lbs, and was subsequently sent to David Pipe who stated at the time he was there to be trained for the Gold Cup or Ryanair. Or Noir De Somoza was awarded a mark of 155 and started his career in the UK in the Grand National where he fell at Beechers on the first circuit. He was well beaten in the Irish National off 152, and in a listed chase back in France, and finished the 2011 season (after two runs over hurdles off 136), being beaten by 48 lengths in the Welsh National off a mark of 136.
Mail De Bievre completed his chase record to date winning the Prix Murat in impressive fashion, with Or Noir De Somoza in 5th beaten 15 lengths conceeding 6lbs.
He has not raced since April 2010 having developed a hole in a tendon. He has continued to exhibit signs of keenness over fences, with the result that his wins have come when running from the front. All of his wins have come on soft or heavy ground, he has only ever jumped fences at Auteuil. He has won £216,000 over fences in France.
It is anyone’s guess what a mark of 175 over fences in France equates to in the UK, but I would personally equate it to no more than 145 – 150 which would leave him 25lbs of winning a moderate Gold Cup (which this may well be).
Thanks Bobby - really good info.
Hope Imperial Commander comes back as good as ever - even if he is 5-7lbs less as what he was at its peak he will give all the contenders something to think about.
Been a bit disappointed with the NTD stable this season. Seems to lack depth with his chasers - very few chasers rated 140+. Needs some new owners?
Hope Imperial Commander comes back as good as ever - even if he is 5-7lbs less as what he was at its peak he will give all the contenders something to think about.
Been a bit disappointed with the NTD stable this season. Seems to lack depth with his chasers - very few chasers rated 140+. Needs some new owners?
This horse has gone from 1000s to 50s in a few weeks
I suppose today will tell us a lot about this horse. I suspect he is nothing more than a handicapper but hoping he is the real deal!!
Very promising run until feeling the effects of a big layoff.
Looks a decent horse but gave the strong impression he'll be better at short of 3m..
There's talk of supplementing him to take on SS in the Champion Chase.
TOM GEORGE is considering supplementing Mail De Bievre for the sportingbet.com Queen Mother Champion Chase to take on Sprinter Sacre after his new French recruit's exuberant cameo performance at Newbury on Saturday.
On his British debut, and his first run since September 2011, Mail De Bievre produced a lively front-running effort until he was headed from the third-last fence to finish fifth behind Silviniaco Conti in the Denman Chase over a three-mile trip his trainer believes may have been too far for him.
"He is obviously a very exciting horse," said George. "He did run with the choke out but Paddy [Brennan] said he couldn't go any steadier on him, that's the way the horse has always run so two and a half miles would have been far enough. He has an unbelievably high cruising speed, his jumping is excellent and he probably got tired going to the second last.
"In hindsight we probably should have run him in the Game Spirit over two miles, but it's hard to know because he was running over two miles six in France. He is going to improve for the run - it was his first run in a chase for three years. He is going to come on a lot for the run but it's a question of which distance we run him over.
"He is quick enough to run over two miles and there won't be many two-mile horses that could go with him. He's not in the Champion Chase but we are thinking about it because there aren't many that can do his kind of thing. Something has to run against Sprinter Sacre and I can't see many others who are like Mail De Bievre.
"Paddy said he was only in second gear. To ride he didn't feel he was going very quick at all, which makes us think he can go a great deal quicker if he wanted to over two miles."
Whoever is takin the 15.5 =
On his British debut, and his first run since September 2011, Mail De Bievre produced a lively front-running effort until he was headed from the third-last fence to finish fifth behind Silviniaco Conti in the Denman Chase over a three-mile trip his trainer believes may have been too far for him.
"He is obviously a very exciting horse," said George. "He did run with the choke out but Paddy [Brennan] said he couldn't go any steadier on him, that's the way the horse has always run so two and a half miles would have been far enough. He has an unbelievably high cruising speed, his jumping is excellent and he probably got tired going to the second last.
"In hindsight we probably should have run him in the Game Spirit over two miles, but it's hard to know because he was running over two miles six in France. He is going to improve for the run - it was his first run in a chase for three years. He is going to come on a lot for the run but it's a question of which distance we run him over.
"He is quick enough to run over two miles and there won't be many two-mile horses that could go with him. He's not in the Champion Chase but we are thinking about it because there aren't many that can do his kind of thing. Something has to run against Sprinter Sacre and I can't see many others who are like Mail De Bievre.
"Paddy said he was only in second gear. To ride he didn't feel he was going very quick at all, which makes us think he can go a great deal quicker if he wanted to over two miles."
Whoever is takin the 15.5 =
There's a bit of a strangeness about his price in the race without compared to with SS. 16/1 or 7/1. My maths
makes him about 25/1 if he's 7/1 without. Not sure I want to take that 100.0 though...
makes him about 25/1 if he's 7/1 without. Not sure I want to take that 100.0 though...
Should defo b 25/1+, id say 40-50 - went off fast yest and looked good to a point, but was beat out of sight in d end!
And not a lot says he is a 2miler tbh and completely untried on good ground (only 2 runs on it was beaten out of sight)
And not a lot says he is a 2miler tbh and completely untried on good ground (only 2 runs on it was beaten out of sight)
And given i reckon there is a fair chance still they wont supplement - he is prob a 60-80 shot
Hope they do,the more we get in the QM the better,especialy relatively unknowns.
Makes the build up more fascinating,even if the race still ends up a cakewalk.
Makes the build up more fascinating,even if the race still ends up a cakewalk.
yeah him and flemenstar would really livin up the QM even tho SS is neigh on impossible to beat.
You've got to remember he was getting 10lbs of other horses in the race on Saturday. He is nothing more than a decent handicapper - I would avoid like the plague in grade 1 races.
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