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I posted on a thread after the Irish Derby once it became clear that Camelot was to be targeted at Doncaster that I expected that to be his last racecourse appearance, and consequently, I suggested he was odds-on to have his last sighting at Doncaster, because I figured connections would want him to retire as an unbeaten Triple Crown winner.
He was looking likely to be the first one for over 40 years and that would have been exactly the time for Coolmore (judging them on their reputation) to 'pull the rug' and run away.
I still believe if Encke hadn't been in that field (and he would have won handsomely) then after a fortnight, some sort of hairline fracture or low blood count would have been diagnosed, and there would have been very little chance of seeing him in the Arc, or even as a 4yo.
Ultimately I was wrong, but as a 1/4 fav at that time (although I expressed that I thought he had a lot more to do than those odds suggested) I expected him to win as most people did - it's all about value and I did post that they were ridiculous odds, especially for ante-post.
Their hand has now been forced and they have no option but to try and redeem his badly dented reputation - unlike with Galileo who although having virtually the same form figures as Camelot (a string of victories followed by a second and a duck egg) answered far more questions in my opinion, and wasn't hyped as much as Camelot.
They've built a rod for their own backs in this case, and I hope he can prove to be the colt they believe he is next season, but I suspect if Orfevre is still around (which I sincerely hope) he'll be in deep trouble having to contend with the Jáp monster.
Is anyone else as negative, conspiratorial & sceptical as I am?
He was looking likely to be the first one for over 40 years and that would have been exactly the time for Coolmore (judging them on their reputation) to 'pull the rug' and run away.
I still believe if Encke hadn't been in that field (and he would have won handsomely) then after a fortnight, some sort of hairline fracture or low blood count would have been diagnosed, and there would have been very little chance of seeing him in the Arc, or even as a 4yo.
Ultimately I was wrong, but as a 1/4 fav at that time (although I expressed that I thought he had a lot more to do than those odds suggested) I expected him to win as most people did - it's all about value and I did post that they were ridiculous odds, especially for ante-post.
Their hand has now been forced and they have no option but to try and redeem his badly dented reputation - unlike with Galileo who although having virtually the same form figures as Camelot (a string of victories followed by a second and a duck egg) answered far more questions in my opinion, and wasn't hyped as much as Camelot.
They've built a rod for their own backs in this case, and I hope he can prove to be the colt they believe he is next season, but I suspect if Orfevre is still around (which I sincerely hope) he'll be in deep trouble having to contend with the Jáp monster.
Is anyone else as negative, conspiratorial & sceptical as I am?
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I posted a number of times on the Arc thread about Camelot and the Ballydoyle boloney. My opinion of the horse and his connections hasn't changed, it's a shame because some of their horses over the years have been real favourites of mine but they talk too much about nothing.
I'm with you on that...I was a big fan of colts like Rock Of Gibraltar, George Washington & Dylan Thomas but the balls we hear just gets tiresome 
I know that it has been a very poor year for the 3yo colts, but nonetheless Camelot has to be a damn good horse to win the Guineas and Derby.
The huge mistake they made with horse was running him in the Irish Derby. Yes he won but as AOB admitted it took too much out of him. They had a perfectly good replacement on the bench and I am prepared to accept that they ran him so the Irish public could see him.
It is easy with all the rubbish that they come out with to almost want them to be wrong about their horses and see them lose. Its interesting to hear AOB now say that really he is an ideal 10F horse that wants decent ground - if that is the case then why run in St Leger and in the Arc on desperate ground?
Despite being a triple classic winner, Coolmore did attempt to build a 'myth' around him and so did hype him up. The thing that actually got under my skin more than anything was when C4, especially Cattermole referred to him as 'mighty' in the same way as describing Frankel.
I actually think the horse could prove to be very, very good. Its such a shame they buggerred up this season as well as that of Imperial Monarch
The huge mistake they made with horse was running him in the Irish Derby. Yes he won but as AOB admitted it took too much out of him. They had a perfectly good replacement on the bench and I am prepared to accept that they ran him so the Irish public could see him.
It is easy with all the rubbish that they come out with to almost want them to be wrong about their horses and see them lose. Its interesting to hear AOB now say that really he is an ideal 10F horse that wants decent ground - if that is the case then why run in St Leger and in the Arc on desperate ground?
Despite being a triple classic winner, Coolmore did attempt to build a 'myth' around him and so did hype him up. The thing that actually got under my skin more than anything was when C4, especially Cattermole referred to him as 'mighty' in the same way as describing Frankel.
I actually think the horse could prove to be very, very good. Its such a shame they buggerred up this season as well as that of Imperial Monarch
Coming into the start of this flat season, i thought that Camelot would prove to be a bit special & after his 2000gns & Epsom Derby wins, so did most people.
I think they made a major error in running him in the Ire Derby "mud bath" as it seems to have left a mark on the horse, as a tough race on very heavy ground can do to a 3yo who was clearly on enjoying it, bad call by AOB & the lads.
The other prob i had about Camelot going into the Arc on Sunday (apart from the ground) was that his winning form as a 3yo was not working out & he had a gd bit to find against the older horses. Add to that the tough race he got in the Leger (not a gd race to take in before the Arc anyway) I just could not have him winning the Arc & found it hard to believe that so many punters over here could bet him into a short price fav at the off??
I think they made a major error in running him in the Ire Derby "mud bath" as it seems to have left a mark on the horse, as a tough race on very heavy ground can do to a 3yo who was clearly on enjoying it, bad call by AOB & the lads.
The other prob i had about Camelot going into the Arc on Sunday (apart from the ground) was that his winning form as a 3yo was not working out & he had a gd bit to find against the older horses. Add to that the tough race he got in the Leger (not a gd race to take in before the Arc anyway) I just could not have him winning the Arc & found it hard to believe that so many punters over here could bet him into a short price fav at the off??
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