Horse Antepost
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15 Jul 12
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The 2013 Epsom Derby favourite runs tomorrow at Dundalk
The extra meeting arranged at Dundalk tomorrow has attracted at least one potentially high-class horse in the shape of the Aidan O'Brien-trained Mars.
A son of Galileo, the two-year-old is as short as 12-1 market leader with spoilsports for the Investec Derby and makes his racecourse bow in the seven-furlong Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden.
Joseph O'Brien, fresh from big-race success at Longchamp with Imperial Monarch on Saturday night, takes the ride.
Mars is one of three runners from Ballydoyle in an 11-strong field, the others being fellow newcomers Rain God (Colm O'Donoghue) and The Ferryman (Seamie Heffernan).
The extra meeting arranged at Dundalk tomorrow has attracted at least one potentially high-class horse in the shape of the Aidan O'Brien-trained Mars.
A son of Galileo, the two-year-old is as short as 12-1 market leader with spoilsports for the Investec Derby and makes his racecourse bow in the seven-furlong Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden.
Joseph O'Brien, fresh from big-race success at Longchamp with Imperial Monarch on Saturday night, takes the ride.
Mars is one of three runners from Ballydoyle in an 11-strong field, the others being fellow newcomers Rain God (Colm O'Donoghue) and The Ferryman (Seamie Heffernan).
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12/1
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12/1! are they serious!!
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Very speedy dam (Massarra, 6f performer). Purely on pedigree he's more likely to turn out to be a miler or a 10f horse than a Derby winner. 12/1 is a great price (as a layer).
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Hmmmmmmmm I hope he's a super horse but he'd need to win by more than half the track tomorrow to be worthy of a 20/1 quote imo let alone 12s before he's raced. He's probably good but he's a silly price.
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How it's not 25/1-33/1 the field? Just shows what they are willing to lay...nothing. 11 months to the Derby and it's 12/1 . . .Should be odds on tomorrow for the Derby if it wins..they will probably push it out to 14s if it loses
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He was introduced at 25/1 by Hills into the Derby market which was pretty fair. Interesting to see the route they take with him as a 2YO but I hope it's a light campaign.
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did someone have a tener on it so they cut it to 16's???
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To bring some relativity to the antepost question these days, the late Freddie Williams laid me 8/1 Lammtarra would win the 1995 Arc AFTER he had won the Derby and King George that year. 12/1 for next year's Derby, would be funny if it wasn't serious.
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Travelled well, then when asked to go, whoooosh! Out of this world
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12s Paddy
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12s is to short, Camelot was 16s after winning him 1st 2yo start on the bit.
Mars does look smart tho, layed back gd looking colt with lots of scope. |
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Brilliant performance!
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He looked good but he didn't look anywhere near good enough to warrant his current price. We have and we will see more impressive maiden winners than the Dundalk winner today. He is an interesting prospect though and is clearly pretty good.
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10/1? What planet are they on?
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But james he won an AW 7F maiden and there's only 10 days, I mean months, to the race!! The world has indeed gone mad.
Unfortunately the shape of AP these days is such that SOF commented that 25/1 opening show for an unraced horse for the Derby was 'fair enough'. As long as people think that way, then bookies will continue to get away with it |
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here here!
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Times have certainly changed. I remember backing a horse called Belmez for the 1990 Derby after he'd beaten several previous winners to land a mile conditions race on his two-year-old debut in November 1989 (by 3 lengths from his useful stablemate Satin Wood, who'd finished 4th in the Royal Lodge, with a further 5 lengths gap back to the third). I got 50/1 for the Derby after his debut win. OK, he didn't win the Derby, though he did beat the Derby winner Quest For Fame in the Chester Vase and later won the King George, but the point I'm making is that once upon a time we used to get fair or even good antepost prices. Prices these days are sometimes little short of a joke.
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What a good horse Belmezwas. I remember in 80s or 90s a Guy Harwood 2year old called Undercut, me and a pal thought we would see what Lads were quoting for the following years Derby.We were told 2/1, obviously a mistake by the girl but the way things have gone maybe it was right.
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Mugs will take it though so thats why bookies offer these insulting prices.
Anybody backing an unraced horse at 25/1 is one of two things 1) A close connection to the stable and genuinly ' in the know ' or 2) Someone who has reda the racing post price moves and snaps the 25/1 thinking they are shrewd. |
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i'd be more happy with the way The Ferryman won tbh,Was given a very easy introduction,and Seamie even took a pull at the 1f pole.
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*Ran not won
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He was impressive but didn;t quicked to my, just continued to lengthen away from the rest after being briefly bustled. Looks a potential stakes winner but make no mistake this is one hell of a cowardly price from the firms.
They have priced him shorter than a horse who won the Derby by 5 lengths and is attempting the triple crown! There is even a bookie on Twitter defending the price saying it's not that bad. Just insulting. |
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TBH I'd rather take the 16/1 for the Guineas.
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Every 2 year old that wins a race now 7f-1m will be 10/1 for the Derby. Horses that haven't even ran out of A.O.B's will be 20/1 and it's still a year away. 20/1 THE FIELD in the Grand Nationl, 20/1 unraced horses in the Derby. . Ante Post is a mad world indeed
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He crawled round in a slow pace...
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JAMESP
I saw this on youtube a few months back....enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQnVnBmrrlw belmez - chester vase |
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the king george is on the side panel.
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As the Song goes "And the film is a saddening bore, cos we've seen it ten times or more"
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unclepuncle Joined: 16 Feb 03
Replies: 1736 17 Jul 12 13:50 TBH I'd rather take the 16/1 for the Guineas. i'm with you uncle(Not that i've played) but rather the 16s the gns for me also |