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Mystic Wind
28 May 12 20:53
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A good race for me, especially recently with (pardon the after-timing) Canford Cliffs & Power obliging at 16/1 & 6/1 resp.

With Richard Hannon and Aiden O'Brien taking 4 of the last 5 renewals, they seem an obvious angle to concentrate on. Hannon usually unleashes something at the Newbury Lockinge meeting, but doesn't seem to have one up his sleeve this year.

A lot of people seem taken by Cristoforo Colombo's recent debut, but a better performance imo was yesterday's debut by Lines Of Battle. He certainly looked the part, the time was decent and the trainer's post-race comments encouraging. He'll do for me.

2pts win Lines Of Battle @ 8/1

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By:
roobuck
When: 28 May 12 21:05
I'd agree it was a good performance and I think probably a better race than CC ran in. However I would suggest he is more stoutly bred and could well end up in the Chesham.

I'd want to know it was his target before investing
By:
neill d
When: 28 May 12 21:12
for the stud book the Coventry would be more desirable and that is the business they are in.
By:
roobuck
When: 28 May 12 21:33
exactly...and being by henrythenavigator, I would suggest that this would be the target for CC
By:
Mystic Wind
When: 28 May 12 22:51
I'm not that familiar with Lines Of Battle's sire (War Front) but all the evidence I can find suggests he was a 6f-7f horse. As such, I'm pretty sure his progeny wouldn't qualify for the Chesham.

For those who missed what the trainer had to say:

http://www.irishracing.com/v5newsitem?prid=61083
By:
corruptus in extremus
When: 29 May 12 14:38
The most street wise at the moment is probably Dawn Approach.Although Im probably gonna be told hes like Frankel,cos he keeps beating the same horse!
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 29 May 12 14:47
Naas next week has a 2yr old Listed race for Colts and Fillies.

Hopefully a few of the horses for Royal Ascot will be running.
By:
sintonian
When: 29 May 12 16:18
Aidan ‏@Aidan_m_
Interesting purchase/recruit for Coolmore/Ballydoyle in the shape of unbeaten French winner Declaration Of War. A son of War Front.


Same sire as Lines Of Battle.

FYI.
By:
sintonian
When: 29 May 12 16:19
Mystic, i'd be concerned if your horse is even going to run tbh. Simply because it look likes they have CC for the race also and given his sire actually won the race i'd be amazed if he did not line up. I know they go mob-handed in the Classics but for the Coventry ??
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 29 May 12 16:24
Sintorian that is very interesting.

Just a quick point regarding the owner, he also has a share in Lines of Battle. I pretty sure Coolmore bought into him after they saw he looked pretty decent on debut this Declaration of War. Has he moved to Aidan?? any plans??

Joseph Allen i believe is a ex pat Irish Man Businessman who lives in the States and is involved in Horse Racing over there but got involved with Magnier and hence this new realsionship has started.

Does anyone remember the 2 million storm cat he had in training with Aidan O Brien called Factum who was a low grade horse in 2010.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 29 May 12 19:56
I was extremely impressed by Dawn Approach last time.
By:
Mystic Wind
When: 29 May 12 20:08
We'll see Sintonian. APOB has bee known to run more than one in this. Judging by the post-race comments, Snday's race was a fact-finding mission to see if he was an Ascot horse, the fact he won (and beat a horse APOB appears to respect) suggests to me he is.

Aidan O'Brien Snr stated “Lines Of Battle was just ready to come racing and you'd have to be very happy with him. We liked him and he had been working nicely at home.

“I thought Leitir Mor would be hard to beat because he had a good first run but Lines Of Battle travelled well today and you'd expect him to come forward from the run. It is possible he'll run at Royal Ascot and today's race was a view to seeing if he could run there.”
By:
Mystic Wind
When: 29 May 12 20:12
Cryoftruth: Dawn Approach has done nothing wrong and looked good in a slow-run race last time. Having said that, there have been too many Teofilo / New Approach / Parish Hall sagas for me to back anything trained by JB ante-post. Good luck if you do/have.
By:
roobuck
When: 29 May 12 20:32
You were right about the sire Mystic - completely forgot about the race having that condition Whoops
By:
Mystic Wind
When: 29 May 12 23:16
No worries roobuck. What's amazing is that War Front has a RP stamina index of 11.9f! Lines Of Battle has a dosage profile of 4-6-17-0-1, so I don't think lack of speed will be an issue.
By:
cryoftruth
When: 30 May 12 13:43
Mystic

thanks for you advice and good wishes. I agree with your analysis completely.

Dawn Approach is entered for the Railway Stakes and another group race. Entries for the Coventry Stakes are still to be made.

I would back nothing in the Coventry, least of all a Jim Bolger colt, until the NRNB concession.

I do think he has serious potential though. his form is about a stone better than the OB maiden winners and if he goes to Ascot he would be a worthy favourite.

Prices quoted ante post of around 5/1 are not appealing though!
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 30 May 12 20:14
Entries out for Monday. Christopher Columbo looks like he is heading straight to the Coventry.

Hmm i like to see him run again!
By:
sintonian
When: 31 May 12 09:39
How many runs did Henrythenavigator have before his Coventry win?
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 31 May 12 19:44
Just because Henry had one run doesn't mean anything in terms of Christopher Columbo but then again it may make no difference what so ever in reality.

But if I was going to put my money down I like to see him once more and then make a final judgement for the Coventry. It will also be interesting to see which way the market goes in the next few weeks.
By:
sintonian
When: 31 May 12 20:27
No it does not but at least it demonstrates it is no barrier to success in the race. Throw in the fact the stable has a great record here, and several horses just recently have won the race with just one run (Strong Suit,Canford Cliffs) then there are plenty of positives for him.

Im not betting this race yet but i'd not touch JBolgers with a barge pole.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 31 May 12 20:31
No doubt Sintonian.

I like to bet in the Coventry its a fine race to have a punt in but i am between him and Dawn Approach and as you say no point in backing Dawn Approach until the day or not at all in your case. DA seems to need a stiff finish to bring the best out of him so thats another thing. Just have to wait and see.

I heard Hannon had a good winner tonight hopefully he make the market if a few bob comes for him.
By:
jamesp
When: 01 Jun 12 09:06
Cristoforo Colombo was Aidan's first winning juvenile debutant this season and is likely to improve significantly for that first run, so I wouldn't want to be laying him for the Coventry.  At the available odds I quite like the look of Charlie Hills' colt ENGLISHMAN (12/1), who won narrowly but impressively at Newbury first time out in testing conditions.  It was a bunched finish and the race didn't look anything special at the time, but the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 7th and 10th all won next time (including the 5th Cay Verde, who won a Listed race in Ireland recently), and the winner is sure to be suited by better ground.  Don't know whether he's being aimed at the Coventry though, and the trainer unleashes another likely type in the shape of Sheikh Hamdan's Mayaasem, who makes his debut at Haydock this evening. 

Another one to consider is Richard Fahey's EUXTON HALL, who won a Haydock maiden without his rider having to get anything like serious with him as the front two pulled well clear.  The ground was dead/sticky that day and he may well prefer better ground.  Royal Ascot was mentioned as a possibility by the assistant trainer afterwards and this highly regarded colt looks overpriced at 25/1 if he's an intended runner, but I'd hold off from backing him until plans are clearer. 

There's no obvious value bet (like Canford Cliffs) this year, as far as I can see...
By:
Mystic Wind
When: 03 Jun 12 08:59
Tomorrow's Alfred Noble at Naas could be informative. Three entries each from JB and APOB, with Cougar Ridge in the mix too. It'll be interesting to see which of these are given the go-ahead.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 03 Jun 12 11:11
Dawn Approach should win this 2moro.
By:
Masterminded
When: 03 Jun 12 11:50
Sir Prancealot, Lines Of Battle the 2 I like atm
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 03 Jun 12 12:28
Be Interesting to see how Pedro The Great goes in the early market 2moro. He could be another Royal Ascot horse if he is any good.

Whats the english form like??
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 04 Jun 12 16:17
Certainly would not be running to back Dawn Approach for the Conventry after that. He won and won well in the end but looks more of a galloper that speedier type. Only when he hit the rising ground did he really stretch.

Surely they be a few more speedier types in a few weeks.
By:
roobuck
When: 04 Jun 12 16:32
Agreed ruby - a better option must surely be the Chesham
By:
jamesp
When: 04 Jun 12 17:15
I agree that Dawn Approach made it look quite hard work - the two fillies that fought out the finish of the 4.45 travelled noticeably better through their race than Dawn Approach did in his (and the winning times were very similar), but the ground probably didn't help.  With doubts concerning the participation of Sir Prancealot (he might run in the Norfolk rather than the Coventry), there must be some value elsewhere and I still like the look of ENGLISHMAN.  Still awaiting news about his participation though...
By:
Deptford
When: 04 Jun 12 17:31
Agree about Englishman, that was a good race he won
By:
sintonian
When: 05 Jun 12 09:30
DA needs 7f already imo.
By:
sintonian
When: 05 Jun 12 12:11
Trainer David Barron expects Ahern to head for one of Royal Ascot's juvenile events after his winning debut at Musselburgh on Saturday.

The Dutch Art colt, who sports the colours of the influential Qatar Racing, was sharp enough to beat more experienced rivals in a conditions event.

"He's a nice horse," said the Thirsk handler.

"He'd been showing plenty at home as we think a bit about him.

"He's a big, strong sort of horse and hopefully one with a future.

"He's got a lot of speed and will have learned a bit the other day.

"Obviously it's down to (owner) Sheikh Fahad, but I would have thought he'd end up going to Ascot where the obvious races would be the Windsor Castle and the Norfolk."
By:
Deptford
When: 05 Jun 12 15:43
Englishman cut from 12s to 8s in one fell swoop
By:
sintonian
When: 05 Jun 12 15:54
Perhaps because Hughes has said Sir Prancelot, 2nd fav, will be heading for the Norfolk Stakes.
By:
mightymoyes
When: 05 Jun 12 19:25
thought jalaa looked impressive on his debut today.
By:
rubyisgodinthesaddle
When: 05 Jun 12 19:43
When are the entries out?
By:
Masterminded
When: 05 Jun 12 23:44
Jalaa looked the part. Coventry horse me thinks
By:
jamesp
When: 06 Jun 12 17:55
The Hannon team hasn't decided yet whether to run Jalaa in the Coventry or the Chesham.  Being by Street Cry, he's qualified to run in the 7f event.
By:
roobuck
When: 06 Jun 12 18:17
Yes I've just read that. Nice for a stable to say something as a very quick clarification/correction of what was said yesterday when Hannon Jnr claimed he was headed for the Coventry
By:
sintonian
When: 06 Jun 12 18:24
He was impressive but didnt strike me as a Coventry horse tbh, unless he was 70% fit. Can see why the Chesham is being considered.
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