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Mystic Wind
23 May 12 00:17
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If I were HH Aga Khan I'd be giving very serious consideration to running this filly at Epsom. Unless Maybe returns to her imperious 2yo form it doesn't look a particularly tough Oaks. If goes for the Diane instead she'll more than likely run up against Beauty Parlour, who looks top-drawer.
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Report roobuck May 23, 2012 8:53 AM BST
I'd agree with that. If she was confirmed for the race I would play and tbh wouldn't really worry about Maybe.

However looking at their website does look like they are going to stay at home
Report Sankara May 23, 2012 9:05 AM BST
What does it say please roobuck?
Report Sankara May 23, 2012 9:07 AM BST
It's OK, found it. Shame, as I'd agree with Mystic Wind, although I disagree that this is a weak Oaks. Maybe is an unlikely stayer, but Vow, Kissed, Kailani and the Fugue have abundant potential.
Report The Headmaster May 23, 2012 10:43 AM BST
I might be mugging myself off here but I'm not too bothered about that story.  It was written before the last scratching stage and merely confirmed the racing manager's waffle straight after the Cleopatre.  He admitted he hadn't spoken to the Aga though and, susbsequently, they've had that scratching stage and someone's told the yard to leave her in.

There is hope imo.
Report roobuck May 23, 2012 11:12 AM BST
HM - what would be your opinion of her chance if she pitches up?
Report The Headmaster May 23, 2012 11:29 AM BST
She's a big winner for me but I have no idea in truth, roo.  It seemed she caught a few people out last time, not least her connections, so whether that was a flash in the pan or they've been entertaining an angel unaware, who knows?  I thought Guyon wasn't seen to his best on Fabre's filly, which gave the race a very unusual shape for a French contest....they went off far too quick.  It was also blowing a hooley at SC that day so some fillies might not have fancied it....and she carried her tail in an unorthodox manner in parts, which I'm not a fan of (although that may have been down to the wind). Doesn't sound too promising does it?  Confused

On the plus side, she reamins unbeaten and possibly not even tested yet, and the Aga does look like he has his usual strong batch of 3-y-o fillies, so they should be able to send one to Epsom and still be represented in the Diane.  Early season I thought Sagawara might turn out to be the pick but wasn't too impressed with her attitude in defeat last time...and right now the one who's got my juices flowing hasn't run in a Listed or Pattern race yet.  Her name's Valyra, run two won two (small heats) but I was really quite bowled over by her the other day and she looks well worth a try in any company. She has no entries to speak of though, but maybe they'd like to roll the supplementary dice with her against Beauty Parlour and steer the other lass our way?
Report The Headmaster May 23, 2012 11:35 AM BST
...and I'd agree with comments above about the oppo.  Plnety of solid fillies you could fancy but nothing to be scared of, is there?
Report roobuck May 23, 2012 11:54 AM BST
Many thanks HM - very informative as usual
Report monksland May 23, 2012 1:04 PM BST
roobuck boils are NRNB so would she be a play for you at 16/1 if lining up? money back obviously if she doesn't show. she's 12's with some bookies that don't give the incentive
Report The Headmaster May 23, 2012 1:28 PM BST
Not sure how that's slipped under my radar but 'tis a bloody good (and obvious!) shout, monksland.

6/1 shot if she lines up imo.  All aboard.
Report The Headmaster May 23, 2012 1:34 PM BST
Total blank from Boyles.

"You can have that at SP, sir".

What's the point of NRNB at SP....anyone?
Report sintonian May 23, 2012 3:48 PM BST
Quite looking forward to the Oaks. Looks more appealing than Derby imo but maybe because im financially involved in one and not the other. Laugh
Report sintonian May 23, 2012 3:52 PM BST
so if you place a bet via Oddschecker with them it is not NRNB ?
Report roobuck May 23, 2012 4:53 PM BST
So thanks for the heads up Monksland.

Unfortunately my Spoils account is now severely restricted so was unable to do it online. Phoned up and whilst they didn't take the bet I wanted, it was at least 1/2 stake and confirmed NRNB. I guess if this wins and so does Bonfire they will just tell me to FO in future.

I had the same problem of SP with Parish Hall for the Derby FWIW
Report monksland May 23, 2012 5:18 PM BST
it must be different for phone and online I suppose, after headmasters comment and another poster on a different thread I decided to try. put 2 separate 25 e/w bets on, said one was for me and one for a friend. woman rang, head office I guess, no problems so 50e/w no bother surely they take more.

she had to give location of shop though so constant string of bets might put a stop to it, but few more small bets like mine would be taken Im sure.

of course ye could be betting a lot larger than that but 1 or 2 ton should be easily obtainable. although price might not hold long
Report roobuck May 23, 2012 5:30 PM BST
no monksland I'm not. Hopefully see someone I know over the weekend and see if he can/will place a decent bet for me
Report The Headmaster May 24, 2012 1:14 PM BST
They've gone with Sagawara in Sunday's Saint-Alary so that's good news for those hoping to see Dalkala line up in the Oaks imo.  Certainly a run on Sunday would have defo seen her out and off to the Diane instead.
Report elisjohn May 26, 2012 12:34 PM BST
not declared
Report The Headmaster May 26, 2012 1:03 PM BST
Sometimes I really do wonder about our Gallic chums.  There's plenty of horses over there that would make a splash in the Oaks, Derby or Coronation Cup.

Much more a fan of the Aga's horses than the man himself anyway so at least we won't have to put up with his smug chops on Oaks day. Plain
Report The Headmaster June 13, 2012 1:23 PM BST
They appear to be leaning towards that supplementary entry I half-wondered about with Valyra.

As stated, she hasn't run in a Pattern or Listed race yet but make no mistake this could be the best of the Aga 3-y-o fillies.  Don't wish to repeat myself but I really was very taken with her last run and clearly connections were too if she's being bumped up straight into a Diane.
Report roobuck June 13, 2012 1:35 PM BST
I saw that HM - ever more puzzling why they didn't send Dalkala over for our Oaks unless they were worried about the trip/track
Report The Headmaster June 13, 2012 1:52 PM BST
Would love to know myself too, roo.  Aga's hock-deep in decent 3-y-o fillies it's quite staggering nothing made the journey.  The way their Derby panned out I would hope some French trainers are kicking themselves for not pointing any colts our way too?
Report The Headmaster June 14, 2012 9:59 AM BST
Valyra supplemented.  Quite a choice for Christophe to make, although apparently Murtagh rides the supp.
Report BJG June 14, 2012 10:05 AM BST
Yup, Murtagh will b on Valyra
Report The Headmaster June 15, 2012 11:06 AM BST
I'm always a little wary of thinking horses are overpriced when only one firm's gone up.....but Hills are:

9 Dalkala
14 Sagawara
25 Valyra

All look big to varying degrees imo.
Report The Headmaster June 17, 2012 3:20 PM BST
What a shame the Diane isn't an ante-post race on here.  I rather suspect that on May 23rd the winner would have been any price you like Sad

Grin
Report roobuck June 17, 2012 8:53 PM BST
Fantastic shout HM, hope you made plenty with Valyra
Report sintonian June 18, 2012 9:33 AM BST
en suite bathroom already ordered I suspect. Excited
Report The Headmaster June 18, 2012 10:19 AM BST
Some decking and a new sink is first port of call, sint Excited Crazy

Half-thinking about smashing up Memphis Ten for the Gold Cup as an encore.  Can anyone put me off?
Report roobuck June 18, 2012 10:32 AM BST
If Ryan Moore had been booked then may be an option. But according to RP jocked up for Bridge of Gold so if he runs, may be being used as a pacemaker of some kind.

I know this type of horse might get away, but I think if they though he had some chance of winning Moore would have been booked and I am sure he would have taken that ride. However things change...

G/L if you do it, Saddler's Rock for me in that race however
Report The Headmaster June 18, 2012 10:48 AM BST
I was thinking the trainer's son gets the leg up, Roo - no?  Aren't the Fitris all ridden by Spencer?

He was my idea of the Leger winner until going wrong last season and I really think his price is an insult IF he runs.  He's grown into a cracking looker and his form is there for all to see.  If he gets the trip - and I certainly think he'd get at least 2 miles no problem - I think he wins.  Certainly woudln't be going anywhere near the fav at around evens.  Not much in hand of Opinion Poll, Colour Vision an improver, Saddlers best still to come, plus Memphis hopefully.
Report roobuck June 18, 2012 10:56 AM BST
Of course HM you are right - trying to work and think about Ascot at the same time not a good idea. Might have another look at him later and whilst I agree the price differential between the two is too big, still have SR as the most likely winner other than the fav though not a race I want to overboard in.

Agree re Fame and Glory at the price but hard to knock his form and in truth will be hard to beat
Report dtamutants June 18, 2012 11:29 AM BST
Is Memphis Tennessee a definite runner? I got the impression after the Ormonde that he'd be running over middle distances and they thought he was pretty good. I expected to see him in the Hardwicke, and remember they left SYT and Excelebration in the other races till the last stage...
Report The Headmaster June 18, 2012 11:52 AM BST
I don't think he is a definite, dta, no.  I doubt the trainer thinks like this but was rather hoping he'd be happy to give the boy a ride in the Gold Cup and steer MT that way.  You're right though he does have that Hardwicke entry and the yard leaving everything in till the last minute, don't they?  Very frustrating.
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