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Prix Niel
1 Vadamar M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 490 H.H. Aga Khan A.De Royer Dupre 58.150
2 Dordogne Ire M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Cheik Hamdan Bin Mohamed Al Mak Ms. Johnston 67.187
3 King Of Arnor Gb M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 500 Ballygallon Stud Ltd A. Fabre 66.700
4 Al Kazeem Gb M.Ps. 3 Ans P1 58 *** Daniel John Deer Rj. Charlton 68.652
5 Meandre M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Famille Rothschild A. Fabre 403.990
6 Casamento Ire M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin M. Al Zarooni 270.843
7 French Navy Gb M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin M. Al Zarooni 90.613
8 Genius Beast Usa M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin M. Al Zarooni 64.423
9 Nakayama Knight Jpn M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Shinichi Izumi Y. Ninomiya 886.684
10 Colombian Ire M.Ps. 3 Ans P1 58 *** Pcsse Haya De Jordanie J. Gosden 136.045
11 Seville Ger M.Ps. 3 Ans P1 58 *** M.Tabor/D.Smith/Mme J.Magnier Ap. O'brien 518.409
12 O'kelly Hammer Ire M.Ps. 3 Ans 58 360 Mme S. Magnier/M.Tabor/D. Smi A. Fabre 47.800
13 Pour Moi Ire M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 555 Mme S. Magnier/D. Smith/M. Ta A. Fabre 927.478
14 Reliable Man (Gb) M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Pride Racing Club A.De Royer Dupre 954.680
Prix Vermeille
1 Midday Gb F.Ps. 5 Ans P2 58,5 *** Khalid Abdullah Hra. Cecil 1.275.004
2 Sarafina F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58,5 *** S.A. Aga Khan A.De Royer Dupre 1.480.415
3 Vita Nova Ire F.Ps. 4 Ans P1 58,5 *** Cheik Sultan B.K. B.Z. Al Nahya Hra. Cecil 121.215
4 Snow Fairy Ire F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58,5 *** Anamoine Limited Eal. Dunlop 2.408.388
5 Sarah Lynx Ire F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58,5 *** Mme Robert G. Ehrnrooth J. Hammond (S) 125.360
6 Modeyra Gb F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58,5 *** Godolphin S. Bin Suroor 29.866
7 Gertrude Bell Gb F.Ps. 4 Ans 58,5 Mme Rachel D.S. Hood J. Gosden
8 Meeznah Usa F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58,5 *** Saif Ali/Saeed H. Altayer Dr. Lanigan 100.389
9 Shareta (Ire) F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** S.A. Aga Khan A.De Royer Dupre 96.100
10 Set To Music Ire F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** S.M.R. D' Angleterre Mlw. Bell 42.051
11 La Pernelle (Ire) F.Ps. 3 Ans P1 54,5 *** Gerard Augustin-Normand Y.De Nicolay 59.500
12 Testosterone (Ire) F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** Ecurie La Boetie P. Bary (S) 151.850
13 Golden Lilac Ire F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** Gestut Ammerland A. Fabre 853.820
14 Blue Bunting Usa F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** Godolphin M. Al Zarooni 740.455
15 Rumh Ger F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** Godolphin S. Bin Suroor 36.243
16 Wavering Ire F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 505 Godolphin Snc A. Fabre 171.850
17 Dream Peace Ire F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 510 Haras D'etreham R. Collet (S) 175.100
18 Misty For Me Ire F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** M.Tabor/Mme J.Magnier/D.Smith Ap. O'brien 658.452
19 Wonder Of Wonders Usa F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** M.Tabor/Mme J.Magnier/D.Smith Ap. O'brien 193.540
20 Galikova F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** Wertheimer & Frere F. Head (S) 499.890
Prix Foy
1 Marinous M.Ps. 5 Ans P2 58 *** Saeed Nasser Al Romaithi F. Head (S) 271.185
2 Lancelot M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Cheik Abdullah Bin Khalifa Al T F. Head (S) 131.345
3 St Nicholas Abbey Ire M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** D.Smith/Mme J.Magnier/M.Tabor Ap. O'brien 359.270
4 Windsor Palace Ire M.Ps. 6 Ans P1 58 *** D.Smith/Mme J.Magnier/M.Tabor Ap. O'brien 26.075
5 Prince Bishop Ire M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin S. Bin Suroor 149.336
6 Simon De Montfort Ire M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin M. Al Zarooni 121.384
7 Ley Hunter Usa M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin Snc A. Fabre 116.180
8 Silver Pond M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 530 Haras Du Quesnay C. Laffon-Parias 244.020
9 Fame And Glory Gb M.Ps. 5 Ans P2 58 *** Hay/Smith/Magnier/Tabor Ap. O'brien 755.315
10 Hiruno D'amour Jpn M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Masafumi Hirukawa M. Kon 2.979.471
11 Joshua Tree Ire M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** K.K. Al Nabboda/R.A. Albahou M. Botti 925.528
12 Zack Hall M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Mathieu Offenstadt M. Delzangles 118.024
13 Dangerous Midge Usa M.Ps. 5 Ans P2 58 *** Iraj Parvizi Bj. Meehan 1.232.129
14 City Leader Ire M.Ps. 6 Ans P2 58 *** Roldvale/Sangster/Collins Bj. Meehan 20.722
15 Sarafina F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 56,5 *** S.A. Aga Khan A.De Royer Dupre 1.480.415
If I may be allowed an early interpretation:
Niel
Negatives - no-shows from Nathaniel, Sea Moon and Baraan. I don't feel the market is taking into account the fact Nathaniel is not entered in the Arc and needs supplementing. He is entered in the Champion and surely they'd only consider the Arc if he dipped his toe with a run and win in the Niel. The Champion is the most valuable race ever run in the UK and personally I think this firmly indicates which way they're pointing. Sea Moon could, of course, go Leger/Arc but it's a tough trick to pull off and if they were serious about Longchamp surely it would be Niel/Arc for them. With Workforce still on course, Sea Moon is now more likely to go the Conduit route imo. Baraan's case is simple - they're clearly struggling with him unless it's a case of having one bullet to fire before he gets cute in the stalls again. Either way, 'tis not encouraging.
Positives - away from the obvious horses King Of Arnor is the standout entry. A slow-learner, he's really grown up of late displaying a lovely attitude to racing and progressing at a rate of knots. He was taken out of the GP de Deauville recently...whether that was due to a knock or a change or direction from the trainer is unclear, but he could fit the mould of that Fabre 3-y-o that comes from nowhere to lay down a serious Arc challenge. On the downside, he likes to be up there which is not ideal for the big one and also holds an entry in the Chaudenay on Arc weekend. As he needs supplementing nothing less than a Niel win would do. Vadamar was on a roll before being derailed in the Greffulhe (excuses) and being beaten in the Derby. If A de R-D has worked some magic he could come back, while Godolphin's French Navy remains a potential player in all the big races. Japanese 3-y-o Nakayama Knight is also clearly still on-course for the Arc.
Vermeille
No suprises really. I thought it quite interesting that Sarafina has also been put in the Foy, which may indicate what her team think of Shareta, who could get the green light here with her elder stablemate rerouted to the Foy. Blue Bunting is also in, probably a precaution, while Galikova and Golden Lilac also feature, although Golden Lilac is also in the Moulin and could drop down in trip. You'd have to think a run in the mile race would signal the end of her Arc challenge. Of the less obvious horses, Sarah Lynx seems very capable when onsong and Set To Music and Testosterone are improving. Both Sarah Lynx and Set To Music would need supplementing into the Arc if successful here, though. Personally I'd love to see Midday have a crack at the Arc (given a suitable ride) but she seems set for the Champion.
Foy
Big negative is the non-appearance of Nakayama Festa. Is this intentional or has there been a hiccup? I wouldn't touch him until that is cleared up as last year's campaign worked well and it would be odd to change it imo. The no shows of Bekhabad and Victoire Pisa (expected) also confirm those horses are highly unlikely to run in the Arc. Planteur's entry in the Moulin but not here supports the view that we've seen the last of him over 12f for a while. So You Think also gets the Moulin and not Foy entry, which may or may not be interesting (!), while Stoute is clearly going straight from King George to Arc again with Workforce (and why not).
Of those that are entered, the aforementioned Sarafina would be clear fav if making way for Shareta by lining up here. It's probably too early to give up on St Nic and things are still obviously on course with Hiruno D'Amour, who should be a shorter price for tha Arc than Nakayama F now imo. Zack Hall may also get one last chance to throw his hat in the ring but, like Dangerous Midge, his big end-of-season target may lie stateside. The Godolphin pair of Simon De Mont and Pince B could both have more to offer but need to get back on track and quickly (Simon runs tonight), while a few shroodies have talked up Silver Pond but a slow-run Foy would not play to his strengths and there appears to be no rush to get on just yet.
With the Moulin and Gladiateur also on the card this looks an amazing day's racing. Probably be one man and his dog there, as usual
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1 Vadamar M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 490 H.H. Aga Khan A.De Royer Dupre 58.150
2 Dordogne Ire M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Cheik Hamdan Bin Mohamed Al Mak Ms. Johnston 67.187
3 King Of Arnor Gb M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 500 Ballygallon Stud Ltd A. Fabre 66.700
4 Al Kazeem Gb M.Ps. 3 Ans P1 58 *** Daniel John Deer Rj. Charlton 68.652
5 Meandre M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Famille Rothschild A. Fabre 403.990
6 Casamento Ire M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin M. Al Zarooni 270.843
7 French Navy Gb M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin M. Al Zarooni 90.613
8 Genius Beast Usa M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin M. Al Zarooni 64.423
9 Nakayama Knight Jpn M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Shinichi Izumi Y. Ninomiya 886.684
10 Colombian Ire M.Ps. 3 Ans P1 58 *** Pcsse Haya De Jordanie J. Gosden 136.045
11 Seville Ger M.Ps. 3 Ans P1 58 *** M.Tabor/D.Smith/Mme J.Magnier Ap. O'brien 518.409
12 O'kelly Hammer Ire M.Ps. 3 Ans 58 360 Mme S. Magnier/M.Tabor/D. Smi A. Fabre 47.800
13 Pour Moi Ire M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 555 Mme S. Magnier/D. Smith/M. Ta A. Fabre 927.478
14 Reliable Man (Gb) M.Ps. 3 Ans P2 58 *** Pride Racing Club A.De Royer Dupre 954.680
Prix Vermeille
1 Midday Gb F.Ps. 5 Ans P2 58,5 *** Khalid Abdullah Hra. Cecil 1.275.004
2 Sarafina F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58,5 *** S.A. Aga Khan A.De Royer Dupre 1.480.415
3 Vita Nova Ire F.Ps. 4 Ans P1 58,5 *** Cheik Sultan B.K. B.Z. Al Nahya Hra. Cecil 121.215
4 Snow Fairy Ire F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58,5 *** Anamoine Limited Eal. Dunlop 2.408.388
5 Sarah Lynx Ire F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58,5 *** Mme Robert G. Ehrnrooth J. Hammond (S) 125.360
6 Modeyra Gb F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58,5 *** Godolphin S. Bin Suroor 29.866
7 Gertrude Bell Gb F.Ps. 4 Ans 58,5 Mme Rachel D.S. Hood J. Gosden
8 Meeznah Usa F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58,5 *** Saif Ali/Saeed H. Altayer Dr. Lanigan 100.389
9 Shareta (Ire) F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** S.A. Aga Khan A.De Royer Dupre 96.100
10 Set To Music Ire F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** S.M.R. D' Angleterre Mlw. Bell 42.051
11 La Pernelle (Ire) F.Ps. 3 Ans P1 54,5 *** Gerard Augustin-Normand Y.De Nicolay 59.500
12 Testosterone (Ire) F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** Ecurie La Boetie P. Bary (S) 151.850
13 Golden Lilac Ire F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** Gestut Ammerland A. Fabre 853.820
14 Blue Bunting Usa F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** Godolphin M. Al Zarooni 740.455
15 Rumh Ger F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** Godolphin S. Bin Suroor 36.243
16 Wavering Ire F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 505 Godolphin Snc A. Fabre 171.850
17 Dream Peace Ire F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 510 Haras D'etreham R. Collet (S) 175.100
18 Misty For Me Ire F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** M.Tabor/Mme J.Magnier/D.Smith Ap. O'brien 658.452
19 Wonder Of Wonders Usa F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** M.Tabor/Mme J.Magnier/D.Smith Ap. O'brien 193.540
20 Galikova F.Ps. 3 Ans P2 54,5 *** Wertheimer & Frere F. Head (S) 499.890
Prix Foy
1 Marinous M.Ps. 5 Ans P2 58 *** Saeed Nasser Al Romaithi F. Head (S) 271.185
2 Lancelot M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Cheik Abdullah Bin Khalifa Al T F. Head (S) 131.345
3 St Nicholas Abbey Ire M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** D.Smith/Mme J.Magnier/M.Tabor Ap. O'brien 359.270
4 Windsor Palace Ire M.Ps. 6 Ans P1 58 *** D.Smith/Mme J.Magnier/M.Tabor Ap. O'brien 26.075
5 Prince Bishop Ire M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin S. Bin Suroor 149.336
6 Simon De Montfort Ire M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin M. Al Zarooni 121.384
7 Ley Hunter Usa M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Godolphin Snc A. Fabre 116.180
8 Silver Pond M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 530 Haras Du Quesnay C. Laffon-Parias 244.020
9 Fame And Glory Gb M.Ps. 5 Ans P2 58 *** Hay/Smith/Magnier/Tabor Ap. O'brien 755.315
10 Hiruno D'amour Jpn M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Masafumi Hirukawa M. Kon 2.979.471
11 Joshua Tree Ire M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** K.K. Al Nabboda/R.A. Albahou M. Botti 925.528
12 Zack Hall M.Ps. 4 Ans P2 58 *** Mathieu Offenstadt M. Delzangles 118.024
13 Dangerous Midge Usa M.Ps. 5 Ans P2 58 *** Iraj Parvizi Bj. Meehan 1.232.129
14 City Leader Ire M.Ps. 6 Ans P2 58 *** Roldvale/Sangster/Collins Bj. Meehan 20.722
15 Sarafina F.Ps. 4 Ans P2 56,5 *** S.A. Aga Khan A.De Royer Dupre 1.480.415
If I may be allowed an early interpretation:
Niel
Negatives - no-shows from Nathaniel, Sea Moon and Baraan. I don't feel the market is taking into account the fact Nathaniel is not entered in the Arc and needs supplementing. He is entered in the Champion and surely they'd only consider the Arc if he dipped his toe with a run and win in the Niel. The Champion is the most valuable race ever run in the UK and personally I think this firmly indicates which way they're pointing. Sea Moon could, of course, go Leger/Arc but it's a tough trick to pull off and if they were serious about Longchamp surely it would be Niel/Arc for them. With Workforce still on course, Sea Moon is now more likely to go the Conduit route imo. Baraan's case is simple - they're clearly struggling with him unless it's a case of having one bullet to fire before he gets cute in the stalls again. Either way, 'tis not encouraging.
Positives - away from the obvious horses King Of Arnor is the standout entry. A slow-learner, he's really grown up of late displaying a lovely attitude to racing and progressing at a rate of knots. He was taken out of the GP de Deauville recently...whether that was due to a knock or a change or direction from the trainer is unclear, but he could fit the mould of that Fabre 3-y-o that comes from nowhere to lay down a serious Arc challenge. On the downside, he likes to be up there which is not ideal for the big one and also holds an entry in the Chaudenay on Arc weekend. As he needs supplementing nothing less than a Niel win would do. Vadamar was on a roll before being derailed in the Greffulhe (excuses) and being beaten in the Derby. If A de R-D has worked some magic he could come back, while Godolphin's French Navy remains a potential player in all the big races. Japanese 3-y-o Nakayama Knight is also clearly still on-course for the Arc.
Vermeille
No suprises really. I thought it quite interesting that Sarafina has also been put in the Foy, which may indicate what her team think of Shareta, who could get the green light here with her elder stablemate rerouted to the Foy. Blue Bunting is also in, probably a precaution, while Galikova and Golden Lilac also feature, although Golden Lilac is also in the Moulin and could drop down in trip. You'd have to think a run in the mile race would signal the end of her Arc challenge. Of the less obvious horses, Sarah Lynx seems very capable when onsong and Set To Music and Testosterone are improving. Both Sarah Lynx and Set To Music would need supplementing into the Arc if successful here, though. Personally I'd love to see Midday have a crack at the Arc (given a suitable ride) but she seems set for the Champion.
Foy
Big negative is the non-appearance of Nakayama Festa. Is this intentional or has there been a hiccup? I wouldn't touch him until that is cleared up as last year's campaign worked well and it would be odd to change it imo. The no shows of Bekhabad and Victoire Pisa (expected) also confirm those horses are highly unlikely to run in the Arc. Planteur's entry in the Moulin but not here supports the view that we've seen the last of him over 12f for a while. So You Think also gets the Moulin and not Foy entry, which may or may not be interesting (!), while Stoute is clearly going straight from King George to Arc again with Workforce (and why not).
Of those that are entered, the aforementioned Sarafina would be clear fav if making way for Shareta by lining up here. It's probably too early to give up on St Nic and things are still obviously on course with Hiruno D'Amour, who should be a shorter price for tha Arc than Nakayama F now imo. Zack Hall may also get one last chance to throw his hat in the ring but, like Dangerous Midge, his big end-of-season target may lie stateside. The Godolphin pair of Simon De Mont and Pince B could both have more to offer but need to get back on track and quickly (Simon runs tonight), while a few shroodies have talked up Silver Pond but a slow-run Foy would not play to his strengths and there appears to be no rush to get on just yet.
With the Moulin and Gladiateur also on the card this looks an amazing day's racing. Probably be one man and his dog there, as usual
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I should also point out these entries were made on Wednesday morning so any subsequent setbacks to those engaged would not be obvious.
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John Gosden said immediately after the King George he would go straight to the Arc with Nathaniel and have no run inbetween. I dont see the fact he has no prep run as a negative tbh, Workforce did it last year and Lamtarra also did it for Godolphin in 1995. The parallel is both horses won straight from the King George so is a positive for me.
I take your point about the Champion Stakes being incredibly vaulable, and they still need to pay the supplementary fee for the Arc, but they had no problem coughing up the £75k for the King George. |
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Very fair point, sint. Of course, Gosden said after the King Edward that it was Leger and that went up in smoke so we have to tread carfeully. If it comes down to ground, as they've stated, Ascot is odds-on to be softer than Longchamp I'd have thought. This, added to the fact he's already got the 12f G1, would make sense to add a 10f one, has the track form and the Champion is going to be miles easier to win than the Arc means he's on the cold list for me but we'll see. I have no idea whether the family's Meandre, who also needs supplementing, could also force a reroute but it's tempting to think that may play a part if he comes thorugh the Niel with flying colours.
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Alls well with N festa.Is in the trial and will run all being well.No setbacks and all going to plan.
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Rather interesting, San Quentin. Do you know anything? My guess is either France Galop admin fooked up or the Japs forgot to put him in and he's been let in the backdoor.
Nakaz has suddenly appeared in the Foy entries anyway, where he certainly wasn't on Friday night. |
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Could BARAAN be injured?
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Don't understand the money for him, baz. I wouldn't go near it unless supp'd for the Niel or confirmed on course for the Arc.
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No I'm with you on not understanding, but a lot of strange things happen in this game.
One of the top trainers in Britain, if not the top, entered along with the owner a horse for the DERBY as an unraced colt, between the entry and his 3yo career, he was withdrawn from the DERBY and had to be supplemented after his DEE STAKES win at Chester, but he did win the DERBY, trainer M. STOUTE, KRIS KIN. I remember a secretary at one training establishment forgetting to enter a horse for a big handicap and they would not allow for the error. |
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Dunno,I haven't heard anything about him since the Prix du JC, and it's worrying that he's not entered in the Niel, especially as the Aga Khan already has Sarafina and Vadamar, who is entered in the Niel. I think they might just be waiting for next year with him, although his price on here is still pretty steady.
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Maybe they want to go straight there with him incase he blows his chance coming out, or not coming out, the stalls.
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did'nt know about baraan & the niel
 although,thats an interesting point there sint...do the french have any bans in place for horses they dont come out of the stalls....if they do...it might point to an all or nothing aproach for the arc... |
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first of all , thanks headmaster for this . secondly , remember these races have a habit of cutting up badly as cards are held / shown / bluffed etc ...thirdly , the results and , more importantly , the way the races are run ( as trials ) can put you off ...if you have a fancy now for the arc stick with it unless it runs really badly in the 'trials'....of course , some arc winners do not run in these at all anyway !
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I am already bracing myself for a defeat for Sarafina in the Vermeille. She was beaten in it last year after having the summer off (same as this year), and was also taking on race-fit rivals in Midday & Plumania. To be beaten only 1.5 lengths in the circumstances is a very good effort imo. If the same happens again it wont bother me in the slightest.
Sarafina has 2.5 lengths to make up on Workforce from last years running, where we know she was nearly brought down during the race. I think she goes there with huge,huge chance and feel quite excited about it!  [:D]For a 4yo, she is actually quite lightly race, having had just 8 starts. This is the same number for Workforce also, who has to be the main threat and probable Favourite. |
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Sarafina will run in the Foy, it's a terrible race and she'll avoid Galikova. I'll be amazed if she takes on the 3yos.
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Why would they want to avoid Galikova when St Nicholas Abbey is in the Foy? In any case the Arc is the target not the trial.
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They're not avoiding Galikova - they're avoiding Shareta, I believe.
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Agree on sarafina , will have easier trial in foy and they know all they have to beat , biggest danger a rough race and stumbling as last year
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i can see why AP backers might be pleased by she doesnt scream "Back me" at the current price when we've still to see who might turn up
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After 1st forf:
NIEL 1 vadamar 2 king of arnor 3 meandre 4 nakayama knight 5 colombian 6 seville 7 reliable man VERMEILLE 1 sarafina 2 sarah lynx 3 shareta 4 testosterone 5 wavering 6 wonder of wonders 7 galikova FOY 1 lancelot 2 st nicholas abbey 3 windsor palace 4 ley hunter 5 hiruno d'amour 6 nakayama festa 7 sarafina |
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Assuming Sarafina goes for the Foy the race with SNA will be very interesting.
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Indeed. Both horses likely to be 80% fit.
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Yep - with the two Japs in there it should be very informative. Ground and pace will play a key part, of course, and if it was run in the traditional style we'd expect Sarafina to have the jump on St Nic, yes?
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Nathaniel, the brilliant winner of this season’s King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes (sponsored by Betfair) and currently the highest-rated middle distance horse in the world, could end his season in the richest race ever to be run in Britain, the £1.3m QIPCO Champion Stakes at Ascot on Saturday 15 October.
Unraced since his impressive victory over last year’s Qatar Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe winner, Workforce, at Ascot on 23 July, Nathaniel’s next assignment is this year’s Arc on Sunday 2 October. A trip to Ascot for the inaugural QIPCO British Champions Day, when Frankel will be in action in the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes, could then be on the cards for the colt who is rated 128 by the British handicappers. "He's not having a race prior to the Arc to give us the option to go for the QIPCO Champion Stakes as well," explained Gosden today. "Thirteen days between races is very tight and we'll have to assess how he is after Longchamp, but if you go into the Arc fresh, then you give yourself the chance to run in the Champion as well." |
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I don't know whether it'll be as easy for Sarafina as you guys think. Windsor Palace will be there to force a strong pace for SNA, and I fancy his chances of turning her over.
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i dont think anybody would think this looks easy for Sarafina because well all know by now how she is trained and will be very much in need of the run and well below peek fitness,dont understand all the talk of SNA because he is clearly just a one pace plodder over 12f and has no chance,this looks ripe for the taking for nakayama festa as long as he is fit and ready to go
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Don't think it will be necessarily be easy for Sarafina. As you say there should be pace and the Japanese horses don't usually hang around. SNA represents the UK 12f form and how Sarafins performs relative to him will tell us a lot.
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As sint says,in all likelyhood Sarafina and St Nick will be undercooked, I personally would look for solid if unspectacular performances from them. The Prix Foy goes to one of the Japaneese raiders imho
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I think this fitness issue might be a red herring chaps. We're only a month away so none of them are going to be badly undercooked, while none of them will be eyeballs out either, including the Japs. All in the same boat imo.
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I get your point mate but a month would surely be plenty time to get a horse up to speed, especially if a trainer was using this race as part of that process? A no bet race for me with all the uncertainty.
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Not sure what part of my post you don't realy agree with there, apc. They are all in the same boat, yes?
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If anything, I would expect the most improvement from trial to Arc from the Japanese horses, as the Euros have at least been in training and run hard at some point this season.
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Think Nakayama was unfit for last year's Foy so very likely to be unfit now, especially after his long layoff. They'll be looking for a nice pipe-opener for him, nothing more. Why he is 33-1 and Workforce and Sarafina 5-1 I can't for the life of me understand.
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I agree all will need the race BUT there is no way of knowing which horse will be most ready. Some may be 70% ready, others 90% fit.
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Total guesswork imo and as such impossible to have a bet.
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Sankara, I agree. 33 way too big.
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dtamutants, i've already said im expecting Sarafina to get beaten in her trial. She was last year after having nearly 3 months off beforehand which is the same siutation this year. Clearly, she is classy enough to win, and that would be a bonus, but I wont panic unless she is well beat and looks awful!
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Foy looks fascinating. After 2nd Forf:
Foy 1 st nicholas abbey 2 hiruno d'amour 3 nakayama festa 4 sarafina Niel 1 vadamar 2 king of arnor 3 meandre 4 nakayama knight 5 colombian 6 reliable man Vermeille 1 sarah lynx 2 shareta 3 testosterone 4 wavering 5 wonder of wonders 6 galikova Moulin looked a belter but has turned a little sour: 1 rajsaman 2 planteur 3 rio de la plata 4 handsome maestro 5 royal bench 6 zoffany 7 roderic o'connor 8 excelebration 9 tin horse 10 dubawi gold Gladiateur 1 celtic celeb 2 brigantin 3 allied powers 4 flamingo fantasy 5 ley hunter 6 kasbah bliss 7 SILVER VALNY 8 aaim to prosper 9 TALGADO 10 TAC DE BOISTRON 11 shamanova |
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4 runners ? Yikes.
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If the ground is desperate and the price is right I'll make Royal Bench my starting point there, sint. Tin Horse was unlucky at Deauville and could catch a few out too. Agree Excelebration should be fav and is the one to beat, though.
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