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24 Jul 11
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Missing the Derby crucial to Nathaniel's Arc chance.
This is a 3/1 shot. Consider:
He has the measure of the Arc winner. (This could bring in a golden span of UK Arc winners)
He will handle the ground.
He won't go for the St Leger
So You Think will probably go the dual Champion Stakes route - (guessing, but if I had a say that's the campaign I would choose)
Rivals have only 10 weeks to prepare.
Arc trials will produce strong candidates but this is is surely the best call at 8/1 at this stage.
As Richard Baerlain said after Shergar won a trial -
This is a 3/1 shot. Consider:
He has the measure of the Arc winner. (This could bring in a golden span of UK Arc winners)
He will handle the ground.
He won't go for the St Leger
So You Think will probably go the dual Champion Stakes route - (guessing, but if I had a say that's the campaign I would choose)
Rivals have only 10 weeks to prepare.
Arc trials will produce strong candidates but this is is surely the best call at 8/1 at this stage.
As Richard Baerlain said after Shergar won a trial -
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I think I may be wrong about Shergar being 8/1 after Chester, it most probably was ths the Derby Trial at Sandown cos the Guardian did sponsor that in 1981. Whatever, fill your tank.
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Pour Moi is still very much the one to beat. Won at Epsom despite not handling the track( form which already puts him ahead of Nathaniel) and trainer thinks it's better than Peintre Celebre
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Completely disagree
Nathaniel was the bet in the King George at double digit prices because he had a number of factors in his favour. I backed him a 50/1 to do the KG/ Arc double which is reasonable. Could not advise backing him at 8/1 for the Arc. |
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haven't you backed it at 7's for the arc apache ?
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Im more than happy to take your money at 8/1, though im all bet up on the ARC so i won.
SYT would have bolted in at the KG if he was there. I suggest SYT at 8/1 is far superior value ATM. |
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Im more than happy to take your money at 8/1, though im all bet up on the ARC so i wont.
SYT would have bolted in at the KG if he was there. I suggest SYT at 8/1 is far superior value ATM. |
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You keep banging on about SYT, FM. One thing I know, if he doesn't run he won't be winning.
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Thats because i have conviction, and have for months, you could have been getting $10 plus for both the ARC and BC so a start in either is great value, both would be icing on the cake.
As it now stands there is not a current horse in Europe that has beaten him (full respect though to the late Rewilding) I would still favour three horses at least over Nathaniel who basically got lucky on the day in the KG. Its hardly ground breaking information is it?, Nathaniel in the ARC at 8/1. Even the (apparent) sharpest guy in this thread who has the 50/1 double admits this. |
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As it now stands there is not a current horse in Europe that has beaten him (full respect though to the late Rewilding)
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Thats the facts, as unfortunate as it is.
Nathaniel won a three horse race the other day (apparently Britain's most prestigious open-age flat race, go figure?).......3/1 shot in the ARC?, get real. |
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force manure, you may note that SYT is a 10 furlong beast and connections have the favourite. I make it 5/2 to turn up, which makes 8s very poor.
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Thats funny because i saw him run out the 3000 metres in the Melbourne Cup, the ARC is in no way beyond his realm of distance, i dont even know why people keep comming up with that one apart from O'Brien wanting to "put a distance" on him.
Certainly true that he may not run, in which case the BC odds also look good right now, as i already stated. Hence im more than happy to take more than $10 on the two races rather than be a chancer on "winner of the week" lotto at questionable odds. As it is im greened up on both races because i dont follow the previous mentioned menatlity which all too often people get caught up in. |
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Vol n oven
50/1 for KG/ Arc double was the price as it was a related event ! |
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if nathaniel was 11/2 for k.g. doesn't that mean u got 7's for arc ?
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if nathaniel was 11/2 for k.g. doesn't that mean u got 7's for arc ?
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Thats how single horse doubles work my friend, which of course is why i dont do them.[;)]
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40/1 BC Classic
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vol n. oven
Suggest you do some basic research on betting. |
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The French 3yo has The Arc by the Lee Rhodes, and I'm happy with me 16/1.
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