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Looks a good renewal of the race with strong challengers from SAF and france. Saphresa is a worthy favourite with a solid level of
form though she would probably be better suited by more cut in the ground. River Jetez looks like he may be better suited by further
but de Kock is very good at getting his horses to be adaptable distance wise. Light of the Valley looks like she's better on softer
ground and a further distance.Maqaasid and Memory both will be ideally suited by a straight track on fast ground .
I'm a dreamer was very disappointing at Ascot where she ran with her tongue out and didn't want to know. She's raced 7 times
and won 4 and the 3 times she's lost have been at Ascot.She may not like the course there or she may not like travelling. She's
2/2 at newmarket and trained being trained there has no problem with travelling. If she reproduces her first run of the season
she will be difficult to beat. Having put her up as the bet of the season at Ascot I believe she has a tremendous amout of ability
and haven't given up on her just yet. At 12/1 she rates as a decent bet .
form though she would probably be better suited by more cut in the ground. River Jetez looks like he may be better suited by further
but de Kock is very good at getting his horses to be adaptable distance wise. Light of the Valley looks like she's better on softer
ground and a further distance.Maqaasid and Memory both will be ideally suited by a straight track on fast ground .
I'm a dreamer was very disappointing at Ascot where she ran with her tongue out and didn't want to know. She's raced 7 times
and won 4 and the 3 times she's lost have been at Ascot.She may not like the course there or she may not like travelling. She's
2/2 at newmarket and trained being trained there has no problem with travelling. If she reproduces her first run of the season
she will be difficult to beat. Having put her up as the bet of the season at Ascot I believe she has a tremendous amout of ability
and haven't given up on her just yet. At 12/1 she rates as a decent bet .
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No mention of the winner above?
Antara for me at the prices,proper miler who has been running very solidly in group races over trips she is not as effective at on last 5 outings
will be tough to beat the favorite who is already a 2 time group 1 winner at newmarket and once on good to firm,no problems ground wise
Antara for me at the prices,proper miler who has been running very solidly in group races over trips she is not as effective at on last 5 outings
will be tough to beat the favorite who is already a 2 time group 1 winner at newmarket and once on good to firm,no problems ground wise
Saphresa acts on faster ground but reading her form she appears more effective with cut.
Antara is consistent but I'd be surprised if shes got enough ability to win a race of this class. On a postive
note she obviously loves Epsom so should like the steep descents on the July course.
Antara is consistent but I'd be surprised if shes got enough ability to win a race of this class. On a postive
note she obviously loves Epsom so should like the steep descents on the July course.
I agree Im A Dreamer is worth another chance given the deep impression she left when winning earlier this season.
There has been rain at Newmakret today though and the times are slow.
There has been rain at Newmakret today though and the times are slow.
been raining all day and soft ground horses been winning,Crystal Cap won easy and had the whole field stretched out,have now decided that Sahpresa will piss it
There has been a strong headwind so I don't think times are a good indicator . The july track can also dry
out very quick.If they continue getting heavy showers then thats a different story.
out very quick.If they continue getting heavy showers then thats a different story.
...but the headwind is the same for them all and they have been fairly strung out imo.
Lily Of The Valley for me, sure to come on for 1st run, has the Belgian ace on top and 6/1 looks another solid e/w to nothing bet.
Lily Of The Valley for me, sure to come on for 1st run, has the Belgian ace on top and 6/1 looks another solid e/w to nothing bet.
The bigger the price gets the more I warm to Lily. Cash has 100% record on her 3/3. He has also been successful 3/6 on Sahpresa. Do you think he had the choice of mounts? CPL not yet won on Saphresa 0/2 but she is still a worthy favourite. Think it should be a french 1-2 with Antara for 3rd imvho.
I've been looking around, and thought someone would have at least of mention Maaqasid(11/1). Very nice horse who will need it to be good ground at least, as does Memory(9/1). Maqaasid's is lightly raced this season, and put in a very good performance in the 1000 'gs against a strong head wind. The form has been franked fairly well by Barefoot Lady and Nova Hawk lto at Ascot. I think it's a fair price, and i also back Memory.
how fvcking bad is Christophe Lemaire!!!!!!!
what sort of idiot ride was that,you put your money down on the obvious best horse and expect the bloody jockeys to do there job and not completely balls the show up
what sort of idiot ride was that,you put your money down on the obvious best horse and expect the bloody jockeys to do there job and not completely balls the show up
He used to be good in england...natagora,that big horse that one the qe11,etc.
Today i new my fate not long after start.
he didn't make any effort to get closer till it was too late.
My biggest bet of meeting at 7/2 and best horse didn't win.
Today i new my fate not long after start.
he didn't make any effort to get closer till it was too late.
My biggest bet of meeting at 7/2 and best horse didn't win.
He was pushing the horse but it wasn't getting any closer to Timepiece - whip might have got it closer but truth is the best horse won.
Saphresa was an unlucky loser. To keep a horse that far back when they went a crawl was criminal.
I doubt the winner will win a group 1 .
I doubt the winner will win a group 1 .
everybody who backed the horse knew after 3 furlongs that he was sitting way to far back and was not going to win so i find it hard to believe that the man on top that does this for a living could not see that,you could excuse it for young jockeys starting out,but not a top pro like him,truely shocking ride
and AT,if you are telling me that if timepiece and Sahpresa were to race each other again that you would back Timepiece in a match bet then i would either call you a liar or very stupid!
and AT,if you are telling me that if timepiece and Sahpresa were to race each other again that you would back Timepiece in a match bet then i would either call you a liar or very stupid!
It's always hard on punters when a well backed favourite loses. The race was run in a French style - with the pace at the end rather than the beginning - so it should have suited Sahpresa. The French filly might have won if it had been raced closer to the front but their horses are seldom raced that way and to say it would have won is a guess as it made no impression in the final 2f. Timepiece even had time to wander around a bit and won handily.
TheFormMan I would never back Timepiece far too quirky for my liking - probably run down the field next time - but she was good today.
TheFormMan I would never back Timepiece far too quirky for my liking - probably run down the field next time - but she was good today.
At. you must be in bad need of a pair of glasses. it was so so obvious the best horse in the race was second. given way too much to do and winner got first run. backed the second at 7/2, thats racing 
Timepiece has form over 10f so even if the pace was stronger she probably would still have one. All her best runs have come with ease in the ground to and she loves Newmarket.
It also appears to me ''Sir'' Henry Cecil has been running her over the wrong trip!!
It also appears to me ''Sir'' Henry Cecil has been running her over the wrong trip!!
jack07 I just reviewed the race again as it seems many saw a different Falmouth Stakes to the one I did. The French filly made no impression in the final furlong so I fail to see how she would have found more if she'd raced closer to the front.
Timepiece has now had 5 runs over a mile and won 4 of them and was second in the other one. Maybe she is better than we think.
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For those of you who do not understand how to read races i shall explain it to you in simple terms
after 6 furlongs Shapresa was 10 lengths behind Timepiece,at that point Christof asked her to pick up and go and win the race with 2 furlongs to go,in that last 2 furlongs she made up a massive 9 lengths on timepiece to lose only by 1 length,horses are only able to use there turn of foot once,Sahpresa used up all here energy making up such a huge advantage in such a short time from to far back,therefore it would be impossible for her to then quicken again in the last 100 yards as she is not a machine and used up all her gas coming from a ridiculous position due to jockey error
the fact is that if she would have sat 5 lengths behind timepiece instead of 10,then she would have won by 4 lengths
anybody that is not 100% certain that Sahpresa would have won easily but for a huge jockey error is a fool and i would love in future to know what horses those people were laying as the way you read races,those lays would be certain winners
For those of you who do not understand how to read races i shall explain it to you in simple terms
after 6 furlongs Shapresa was 10 lengths behind Timepiece,at that point Christof asked her to pick up and go and win the race with 2 furlongs to go,in that last 2 furlongs she made up a massive 9 lengths on timepiece to lose only by 1 length,horses are only able to use there turn of foot once,Sahpresa used up all here energy making up such a huge advantage in such a short time from to far back,therefore it would be impossible for her to then quicken again in the last 100 yards as she is not a machine and used up all her gas coming from a ridiculous position due to jockey error
the fact is that if she would have sat 5 lengths behind timepiece instead of 10,then she would have won by 4 lengths
anybody that is not 100% certain that Sahpresa would have won easily but for a huge jockey error is a fool and i would love in future to know what horses those people were laying as the way you read races,those lays would be certain winners
Oh dear. A lot of pocket talk here. It was a slowly run race - exactly as the majority of French races are - and Saphresa was ridden exactly as the majority of French horses are. Not good enough on the day. Timepiece won easily, going away so to say the best horse didn't win is fanciful.
They have always thought plenty of her at home but she IS quirky and has often come up short on the track. Credit to TQ who has been visciously slated on here by some recently(The Fool Man being the worst culprit funnily enough)but who rode the perfect race.
They have always thought plenty of her at home but she IS quirky and has often come up short on the track. Credit to TQ who has been visciously slated on here by some recently(The Fool Man being the worst culprit funnily enough)but who rode the perfect race.
TheFormMan
Most horses only quicken once. Some can do it twice or whenever they like - e.g. Sea The Stars
Most horses only quicken once. Some can do it twice or whenever they like - e.g. Sea The Stars
tfm, you always seem to blame jockeys. thats the type of thing one certain eric morris does and we all know he's a loser long-term.
Sahpresa had to make up ground and quickened, by Timepiece was also quickening and showed a turn of foot.
Sahpresa had to make up ground and quickened, by Timepiece was also quickening and showed a turn of foot.
Sint.
My reading of the race was that after just 2 furlongs it was clear that Saphresa's jockey was taking a serious risk settling her 1 from the rear, around 10 lengths off a funereal early pace.
By comparison the known stayer Timepiece was able to hold a handy position with very little effort. With a stronger pace as one might have expected in a Group 1 I very much doubt she would have travelled so easily. Once the race started in earnest she was simply able to take advantage of her proven stamina (none of which had been used in the race so far) and was most unlikely to be reeled-in.
On a different tack I think the comments about her previous record over a mile must have been tongue-in-cheek as the wins were in a Lingfield maiden and two average listed races. I may be proved wrong but I will be completely disregarding the form of yesterday's race.
My reading of the race was that after just 2 furlongs it was clear that Saphresa's jockey was taking a serious risk settling her 1 from the rear, around 10 lengths off a funereal early pace.
By comparison the known stayer Timepiece was able to hold a handy position with very little effort. With a stronger pace as one might have expected in a Group 1 I very much doubt she would have travelled so easily. Once the race started in earnest she was simply able to take advantage of her proven stamina (none of which had been used in the race so far) and was most unlikely to be reeled-in.
On a different tack I think the comments about her previous record over a mile must have been tongue-in-cheek as the wins were in a Lingfield maiden and two average listed races. I may be proved wrong but I will be completely disregarding the form of yesterday's race.
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The only time that i have ever posted about jockeys on this forum was yesterday with sahpresa and last saturday about queally on vita nova,i would hardly say that twice in my life is 'always,
to make it clear,nobody is attacking timepiece,she ran well,i am simpley just stating that sahpresa is the much better horse,in the past,present and future and would have won bar jockey error-FACT
the fact that timepiece quickened also makes Sahpresas performance all the better,sahpresa gave her a 10 length start,both horses then quickened,yet sahpresa made up 9 lengths on a quickening timepiece,i think that tells you all you need to know about who showed the greater turn of foot and class.
The only time that i have ever posted about jockeys on this forum was yesterday with sahpresa and last saturday about queally on vita nova,i would hardly say that twice in my life is 'always,
to make it clear,nobody is attacking timepiece,she ran well,i am simpley just stating that sahpresa is the much better horse,in the past,present and future and would have won bar jockey error-FACT
the fact that timepiece quickened also makes Sahpresas performance all the better,sahpresa gave her a 10 length start,both horses then quickened,yet sahpresa made up 9 lengths on a quickening timepiece,i think that tells you all you need to know about who showed the greater turn of foot and class.
TheFallMan - if you watch the race again you will see that TQ sat motionless on Timepiece until just outside the 1f by which time Saphresa was within 3 lengths. Not quite the 9 you would want us to believe.
bakeboy,can you not read?
i said that sahpresa was 10 lengths behind timepiece after 6 furlongs
the furlong pole is after 7 furlongs in a mile race[smiley:crazy] i can see your a smart man
i said that sahpresa was 10 lengths behind timepiece after 6 furlongs
the furlong pole is after 7 furlongs in a mile race[smiley:crazy] i can see your a smart man
TheGormMan - you said she made up 9 lengths on a "quickening" Timepiece. She did no such thing.
Zzzzzzz...... Zzzzzzzz...... Zzzzzzzzz.......good luck with your future punting bakeboy
Would it be then fair to say that Saphresa made up 2 lengths on a quickening Timepiece even after busting a lung quickening herself for the previous furlong?
I thought Saphresa was unlucky, but Timepieace traveled like a dream and was not stopping at the line in fairness.
I thought Saphresa was unlucky, but Timepieace traveled like a dream and was not stopping at the line in fairness.
If Newmarket still had sectional times they would have shown that Saphresa had an impossible task and
that she recorded outstanding sectionals whereas the winner didn't. Saphresa had to compete in a 6f sprint giving away 6 lengths +. If the race was run again at a decent pace there's every chance Timpiece wouldn't
be in the first 3. Given they went a crawl you've got to give Queally credit for riding a good tactical race
plus he did well to get the horse to settle.
The fact that the winning time was 4 lengths slower than a 50/1 6 year old handicapper did over the course and
distance 2 hours later says it all.
that she recorded outstanding sectionals whereas the winner didn't. Saphresa had to compete in a 6f sprint giving away 6 lengths +. If the race was run again at a decent pace there's every chance Timpiece wouldn't
be in the first 3. Given they went a crawl you've got to give Queally credit for riding a good tactical race
plus he did well to get the horse to settle.
The fact that the winning time was 4 lengths slower than a 50/1 6 year old handicapper did over the course and
distance 2 hours later says it all.
"if the race was run again at a decent pace there's every chance Timepiece wouldn't be in the first 3."
mmmmmmmmm - shall we ask them if they could run it again at a decent pace then? Doesn't sound fair does it?
Ever thought that maybe a decent pace would have suited a 1m 3f winner even better? Connections before the race said she needed a strongly run mile. Perhaps Sahpresa wouldn't have finished in the first 6 if the pace had been faster. We can't possibly know so probably best to accept it and move on.
mmmmmmmmm - shall we ask them if they could run it again at a decent pace then? Doesn't sound fair does it?
Ever thought that maybe a decent pace would have suited a 1m 3f winner even better? Connections before the race said she needed a strongly run mile. Perhaps Sahpresa wouldn't have finished in the first 6 if the pace had been faster. We can't possibly know so probably best to accept it and move on.
"outstanding sectionals" are all very well but it's nearly always the horse that runs the most even pace that wins - unless it's a freak like Frankel.
from your reading of this race bakeboy-i'm sure you are a very rich and successful gambler [;)]
I guess todays Rothschild proves that all who stated that Sahpresa was a very unlucky loser in the falmouth were proven correct and the idiots who said Timpiece was a better horse were proven very much wrong,very easy victory in a match bet
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