WORKFORCE- Coral Ecliplse or the King George

Connections are desperate to bag a 10f group1 for the horse and since he had a prep at Sandown in the Brigadier Gerrard stakes, the Eclipse would seem the obvious next target for him.

Can't see him going for the King George tbh, ran a stinker there last season and I think they used the ground as an excuse. Ascot will more than likely be pretty quick ground come the end of July.

Firstly Ballydoyle wont run SYT and St Nick in the same race. WorkF and SYT will meet in the eclipse and I reckon SYT will win, WorkF is more a 12F horse IMO.

I suppose there is the possibility that workforce could run in both races. A 4 week break should be ample recovery time.

It's a 3 week break.

AWD , judging by the market on here , will not likely run in the KG. They will save him for York, then the Irish Champion, imo.

SNA could be Ballydoyles only runner in the KG.

There must be a decent chance they'll skip the ascot race as he ran so poorly in it last year and may not like
Ascot. If Charlton house wins well on sunday there maust be a good chance he'll be the stoute horse for the KG.
If workforce runs in the Eclipse he must have a strong chance of winning, he's got plenty of pace for 1 1/4m
. I don't think the track at sandown will suit SYT, He's a very long tall horse and the tight bend at Sandown
is unlikely to suit him. THe AOB team are still hyping him for breeding purposes and he could go off at a false
price again. It's a pity Charlton house isn't in the race as I reckon he'd beat both of them.

3 week break it is, apologies if I misled anyone.

Tinkler have you seen how SYT used to get around the bend at Moonee Valley?? It the Aus version of Chester, no bend will worry him

Tight bend at Sandown ??

What tight bend ??

Cant have Workforce over 1 mile 2 think he needs all of mile 4 and he also needs ground to be no faster than good to soft to be at his best.

The ground couldn't have been any softer than good to firm when he broke the track record while winning the Derby.

When they remove all the false rails for this meeting they use the inner most circumferance of the track and
its a tight right hander with no banking or anything. The bends in Australia ,which are all LH, are more sweeping , even the bends at chester are better than the one at Sandown on ECLIPSE DAY. Its caught a few
out over the years (i remember it totally unbalancing Barathea) and can see it unbalancing SYT.

If you think Sandown is a tight track I suggest you find a new hobby.........or go and visit pretty much any other track in the country.

Just re-checked in the racecourse atlas aerial shots, the Curragh big sweeping turn, Newmarket straight 1 1/4m,
York big sweeping turn, Doncaster big sweeping turn, Sandown tight turn. I suggest you go to spec savers.

Yeah but at Sandown they often don't go round the turn tightly, they swing round and go to the far rail, it's actually often a big sweeping turn with loads of room.

Well done on picking out the 5 biggest courses you could find.

The Newmarket straight course was particularly amusing. I guess there wouldn't be mush of a bend there .

Try the other 30 then come back to me.

much

SMS loves to win the Eclipse and knows the tremendous value it can add to a middle distance horse's value. He tried to win it with Conduit a 12 to 14 F horse for that very reason.

I can't see Workforce losing. So You Think simply isn't up to top notch Grade 1 standard IMO.

There is talk of Workforce hitting a flat spot in his races but I don't wear that for one minute.

The way he won the Epsom Derby quickening up when he did I think flat spots are being mentioned in hope by those who fancy STY.

I think he'll hack up in the Eclipse and return to take on the real star of O'Brien's yard  in St Nicholas Abbey

The only tracks hes going to run at are The Curragh,leopardstown, Newmarket, Ascot, Longchamp , York and Sandown.
Sandown has the tightest turn of all of them.  The Ripon's and Cattericks have no relevance as there is
very little chance of him running there.

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When they remove all the false rails for this meeting they use the inner most circumferance of the track and
its a tight right hander with no banking or anything. The bends in Australia ,which are all LH, are more sweeping

Actually thats not true Tinkler.

Melbourne are left handed. Whereas Sydney (& Brisbane FWIW) is right handed.

SYT was brought up in Cummings' Sydney stable & had his first 3 races RH.

Going that way on a tight track would be no worry for him.

The bend will not matter, he is just nowhere near good enough

after middays defeat yesterday, it was suggested on betfair radio that perhaps the 3 year olds might well be superior to their elders, could sna be vastly overated on his 2 victories this year,i wasnt impressed by him in coronation,workforce definetly vunerable, so is there an opening for a 3 year old to win this race , maybe treasure beach,

Al woody
Fair enough. The races I've seen from Australia have all been on left handed tracks, so I assumed
it was like America where there all LH. His first few races on RH tracks will probably have not been against Grade one
opponents . Has he won a Grade 1 race going RH?
The point I'm making is that he's a big long striding horse who will obviously still run well on any track
but would be ideally suited by the big galloping tracks like Newmarket,york and the Curragh. If the race
was at one of these tracks I'd be very confident of him winning , but at Sandown the others have a chance.

St Nicholas Abbey only has to turn up healty at Ascot.

I hope they run a pacemker as it will be time to dust of the 'proper' betting boots.

Going through the field i'm struggling to find one to give it a race. Fingers crossed Stoute remembers last year and Workforce doesn't show so Ryan will be free to do the steering again.

15/8 will NOT be available on the day!

GOOD LUCK.

St Nicholas Abbey only has to turn up ? I doubt that very much.

I don´t think he'll be able to give Reliable Man 12 pounds and a beating.

Alain de Royer Dupre has stated that this is Reliable Man's likely next target and if that is the case then the 14s on offer with WH is very, very tempting.

Reliable Man is very classy, improving fast and is likely to appreciate the step up in trip.

Kildimo, you think SNA only has to turn up, but at the same time your worried about one of his potential opponents, Workforce, and are hoping he does not run.

I' definately not worried about ANY of the opponents, the more that show the better thankyou very much.

A faster pace the better and whatsmore the better the price.

This beast is different class.

Why ''fingers crossed'' Workforce doesn't run then ?

As i said in the previous post   ...'So Ryan Moore can ride'.

I wouldn't be bothered about Workforce i just like to have the best jock up.

Think the jockey booking is irrelevant tbh. A lot of the ballydoyle horses are just better than the rest. Heffernan would be fine,imo.

I agree.  Cape Blanco to make the pace, a middle draw with Ryan up on Good ground will be just fine thankyou very much.

Really fancy Workforce Saturday but stable not firing at all

Sir Michael Stoute is the Jonjo of the flat and will be exactly where he wants to be regarding how fit each of his horses are.

July is to Sir Michael what March is to Jonjo. All of a sudden they somehow all start coming out of the doldrums.

This has been the obvious target for Workforce and to be perfectly frank he's got absolutely nothing to beat.

All this talk about Ryan Moore going to soon at Ascot on So You Think is complete bollocks.

The way Moore rode him reminded me of Yeats when he won the Gold Cup only difference is he never stopped like shot. Real top class horses don't do that.

If you could block from your mind the fact it was So You Think trained by AOB in that race and watch it without commentary you'd pick out Frankie as the winner from a long way out.

This wasn't a horse wilting under a burden weight up the Cheltenham Hill this was a horse who for the first time in his life met a real Group 1 horse and lacked the class to go on and finish what he started.

On all known form he has about 8 lengths to make up on Workforce if the Derby form is to be believed and with a penalty like that in a race like the Eclipse he's a risky bet to be placed (2) let alone win.

Workforce in a shoe for me.

so from the 1st of july stoutes horses will all be flying?

I wouldn't be having St Nicholas Abbey as a shoe in for this at this stage.

Rewilding has this as a target and don't think he has been given the credit he deserves for winning the Sheema Classic and getting the better of So You Think in the PoW.

Sorry was reading the comments and forgot the thread was about Work Force.

My worry about him running in the King George is that he ran up light after the Derby last year (to my eye anyway) and did not show his true form until after a long break coming back in October. If he runs in the Eclipse, where he has to take on a class field, I would be concerned about him doing the same thing with only a 3 week break prior to this race.