Await the Dawn - Arc de Triomph

Just do yourself a favor and get on So You Think.[;)]

It'll just less than a month like usual I think

Figgis

how could you accuse an old man of such a cynical practice?

This horse is amazing. He is only a couple fo pounds below So You Think on ratings and Timeform have a"p" for improvement alongside Await The Dawn.

Await The Dawn is due to have his next exercise canter in the Hardwick Stakes. Then his Arc price will fall to single figures.

He is still amazing value now - you can still get well over 33/1 on here.

Doubters should look at the replays of his last 2 runs - breathtaking.

He is a top class horse and I will not be laying off a bean of my investments until he is 6/1 or shorter.

Make no mistake at all Await the Dawn is the real thing.

What sort of time did he run last twice figgis?

I mean he won in a canter both times so if he ran a decent speed figure my confidence would grow.

bl00dy hell!

What will he do when he comes off the bit.

Exciting times Figgis.

The nutter who laid me 80-100+ on here must be a chancer. A horse improving like that, trained by Aiden, and also a Giant's Causeway colt; real reason for Coolmore to go for broke and boost the stallion's credence.

I have to say I actually really fancy him for the Arc and would be having a bet at 20's. his price of around 40 or 50 is simply far too big. One thing is for sure, if you get 50/1 about horses with his sort of chance in the Arc you will not be getting poor in the long run. Rich maybe but not poor.

Aidan has several older horses to fire at the Arc this year, not to mention what happens if one of his wins an Epsom or Irish Derby.

Await The Dawn is behind So You Think, St. Nicholas Abbey and the selected 3yo in that pecking order.

It's fascinating to wonder how he's going to split them up later in the season. One for the BC Classic, one for the BC Turf, and one for the Arc followed by Japan or Hong Kong.

ATD won't even win the Hardwicke imv, Roger Varian has the winner of that [;)]

Hacks up in the Group 2 Hardwicke then has his first crack at a Group1 in July back at Ascot in the King George IV. Backed him at 20/1 for it.

As for the Arc ... you'd be running a pretty hefty loss if you backed all Aidans runners in that race down the years. Im not sure he is even that keen on the race, same as Michael Stoute, they are more interested in winning the Group1s over here first and foremost.

The way things are going it looks like Workforce for a repeat in the Arc unless the French come up with something or St Nicholas Abbey finally lives up to his reputation.

Nothing like shooting for the moon as when you miss it you might hit a cloud but with respect some things are just beyond reach.

Await the Dawn.? I'll  wake up and smell the roses before dawn AWTD won't even make the likes of the Arc and that's why it's such a huge price.


So You Think is a boat of a thing and will be found out. Gives me the distinct impression he will lack true pace in the best race when challenged.

A horse that couldn't win the Melbourne Cup no matter what the excuse near favourite for the Eclipse and the Arc is an insult to human intellegence.

Workforce is a Derby winner and Arc winner not some Aussie handicapper.

He could be an Ascot Gold Cup in the future but I extremely doubt he's cut much ice in the likes of the Eclipse apart from creating a good talking point.

I like Rondetto;

He works out what he thinks and then decides how he can overstate his position to the maximum.

Horses rated mid 120'2 to 130's are unlikely be be "handicapers" though I would agree forcemajeure.

Rondetto, you seem to inhabit a world where form remains static, by your logic there is no way Harbinger could have won the King George after winning a lowly group 3 like the John Porter. Also it remains to be seen if Stoute can get Workforce back to his Derby form.

Rondetto, you are coming out with some good ones recently, you can't be serious about So You Think?

Anyone who has a remote appreciation for Australian racing will understand how good So You Think is - just because he ran in the Melbourne Cup, you label him a handicapper? Have a look at his Cox Plate wins, or his Mackinnon or his Yalumba Stakes victories and try tell us the horse has no speed - the horse is a star over any trip.

To be honest, if So You Think is the horse he was Down Under, and his latest win would seem to confirm to this, then I think he'll go through the season unbeaten. Races from 10f to 12f are his for the taking - I'd be confident he'd mix it with your icon, Frankel, too over a mile if Aidan wanted.

the only horse he'll get a race from is await the dawn.

1/3 is a very short price for a Group One race but this is only a Group One in name only. Famous Name is not a genuine Group One performer.

Aidan will run half the field here, so in modern racing parlance, So You Think is a cert on Sunday. Only way he gets beat is if something completely unforseen happens.

mp you sounds a bit nuts tbf. Why would you lay SYT ? Didn't you lay Recital the other week aswell ? Taking on these class horses is the quick way to the poor house.

Everyone remembers Famous Names unlucky run in the Frenhc Derby, ut since then he has been found it Group 1 compnay many times and has mopped up weak G3's in Ireland. I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to win a  G1 this season, due to the nautre of them in Ireland, and Weld managed to win a G1 with Chinese White last season,iirc, due to the weak nature of the races over there.

I don't believe Famous Name reached his full peak until the age of 5, since then he has only run in two Group 1s, once in the Champion Stakes where he ran no kind of race, although, it was possible the ground was a bit fast for him that day, the other was at Woodbine, where the same was true, plus the travelling may have affected him. When he's won weaker races he's absolutely trounced the opposition in fast times, which leave me no doubts he would be effective in a Group 1, on his day. Maybe his best chance has gone but I'm sure if he can repeat his latest run it will take a top notch performance to beat him.

I like Rewilding too Mythical; but i prefer Await The Dawn as he is already top class, is improving rapidly and is unexposed. I like the 40+ price available still on here even more.

thanks for those kind comments sintonian. it's always good to know you can rely on your fellow forumites for hope and support [;)]

maybe I am nuts and I did lay recital, but this was with a view to laying off in-running. however I backed it at the wrong price and to compound things the race was completely uncompetitive and there was never an opportunity to get out inplay, i'm so sorry

of course this tattersalls group one on sunday is a very poor group one, that's putting it lightly. however I do take the view that famous name is a generally underrated horse and might, just might be able to give this hotpot a race on sunday. of course I will hardly be putting the family jewels on it.

we'll see if i'm nuts on sunday. but await the dawn only has to drift out a bit in-play for my scenario to work.

mp, my point is, you laid Recital when you thought before the race the opposition against him was weak. Now your might do the same again with So You Think ?

Im all for laying shorties, particularly odds-on, but why do it when you think it's a weak line up, and take on the class horses? Surely you want a couple of things in you favour other than just a short price. imo.