Who won't get in the Grand National 2011?

Reckon Regal Heights may find it tough

ttt

You would be surprised.

In 2010 no. 76 ran (Flintoff)
In 2009 no. 74 ran (Zabenz)

10.04

Your in

Just the little problem of finding the WINNER!!!!

I can't see a lot of those in the top 40 coming out this year as they're not doubly engaged at Cheltenham, unlike previous years.

ttt

Did you go on Saturday, mully?
I was in the Newton stand beside a party on an outing.
What, if any, opinion do you have after the result in regard to the Grand National?

Bazzar-I was there too. That party were students from Stafford Uni, diverted up from Uttox I believe.
Silver By Nature will need a wet meeting, if it's dry you can scrub it.  That's all I really deemed from the race.
Oh, Chief Dan George...that needs a quick, dry meeting

can anyone explain why i continue to see money on here for ballyfitz even though he's at no 92 with 9-9

surely way off getting into the race

Probably just money shifting around Clouded.

cheers mully

can anyone also explain to me the balloting procedure ?

money back on those balloted out i believe but is there a limit to the number in that situation ?

No. They just have be declared to run. Anything in that situation below 40th in the weights will be ballotted out. If it's a tie at that point, handicap mark at the time decides.

thanks strontium

looking closely at the top 40 i cant see that many non runners in there this year always the odd ones but normally theres quite a few non runners in the top 40 i think 60 could be the benchmark  this year i no theres 3 out already but we will c

What chances of 10st 3lb making it?

Going by the last 10/11 years, 10-3, should just squeeze in.

^^^^61/62/63 is a good nap

Updated entries -

1) 23P1-P00 DON'T PUSH IT (IRE) 11-11-10 Jonjo O'Neill
2) 104-322 TIDAL BAY (IRE) 10-11-09 Howard Johnson
3) 1-41111 MIDNIGHT CHASE 9-11-08 Neil Mulholland
4) 1P46-3U3 DEEP PURPLE 10-11-07 Evan Williams
5) 131-561 SYNCHRONISED (IRE) 8-11-06 Jonjo O'Neill
6) 501B-004 VIC VENTURI (IRE) 11-11-06 Dessie Hughes IRE
7) 61/211-52 WHAT A FRIEND 8-11-06 Paul Nicholls
8) U62/1-31 MAJESTIC CONCORDE (IRE) 8-11-05 Dermot Weld IRE
9) 2F1425 OR NOIR DE SOMOZA (FR) 9-11-05 Racing David Pipe
10) 01F24-41 DOONEYS GATE (IRE) 10-11-04 Willie Mullins IRE
11) 20-35344 SCOTSIRISH (IRE) 10-11-02 Willie Mullins IRE
12) 2U14-2F4 BIG FELLA THANKS 9-11-01 Ferdy Murphy
13) 3111-11 BALLABRIGGS (IRE) 10-11-00 Donald McCain
14) UP-36310 TATENEN (FR) 7-11-00 Richard Rowe
15) 205-244 THE TOTHER ONE (IRE) 10-11-00 Paul Nicholls
16) 520P-F5 NICHE MARKET (IRE) 10-10-13 Paul Nicholls
17) U3133-21 THE MIDNIGHT CLUB (IRE) 10-10-13 Willie Mullins IRE
18) 0BP-500 BACKSTAGE (FR) 9-10-12 Gordon Elliott IRE
19) 30011-05 CHIEF DAN GEORGE (IRE) 11-10-12 Jimmy Moffatt
20) 5121-001 SILVER BY NATURE 9-10-12 Lucinda Russell
21) 4UP-250 NOTRE PERE (FR) 10-10-11 Barry Potts IRE
22) 4-56242 CALGARY BAY (IRE) 8-10-10 Henrietta Knight
23) P2P-253 KILLYGLEN (IRE) 9-10-10 Stuart Crawford IRE
24) 1/2100-P5 TRICKY TRICKSTER (IRE) 8-10-10 Paul Nicholls
25) 3152-263 OSCAR TIME (IRE) 10-10-09 Martin Lynch IRE
26) 032236- SNOWY MORNING (IRE) 11-10-09 Colin Bowe IRE
27) 0100-03 BALLYTRIM (IRE) 10-10-08 Willie Mullins IRE
28) 2212-42 BECAUSEICOULDNTSEE (IRE) 8-10-08 Noel Glynn IRE
29) 2/000-06P COMPLY OR DIE (IRE) 12-10-08 David Pipe
30) 1-122B0 NEDZER'S RETURN (IRE) 9-10-08 Gordon Elliott IRE
31) P-5500423 NORTHERN ALLIANCE (IRE) 10-10-08 Tony Martin IRE
32) 510-1131 QUINZ (FR) 7-10-08 Philip Hobbs
33) 2F-FF25 QUOLIBET (FR) 7-10-08 Jonjo O'Nell
34) 11FP10P GRAND SLAM HERO (IRE) 10-10-07 Nigel Twiston-Davies
35) 3P6/454-P6 ROLL ALONG (IRE) 11-10-07 Nigel Twiston-Davies
36) P22-41F GULLIBLE GORDON (IRE) 8-10-06 Paul Nicholls
37) 3211-11P KING FONTAINE (IRE) 8-10-06 Malcolm Jefferson
38) 0/144/P3- STATE OF PLAY 11-10-06 Evan Williams
39) 21PP-PP DREAM ALLIANCE 10-10-05 Philip Hobbs
40) 005P-1P HELLO BUD (IRE) 13-10-05 Nigel Twiston-Davies
41) 566U-3431 IN COMPLIANCE (IRE) 11-10-05 Dessie Hughes IRE
42) 6-220001 SANTA'S SON (IRE) 11-10-05 Howard Johnson
43) 2P/00-11P WEST END ROCKER (IRE) 9-10-05 Alan King
44) 0C21-046 BLUESEA CRACKER (IRE) 9-10-04 James Motherway IRE
45) 16F-0P5 CAN'T BUY TIME (IRE) 9-10-04 Jonjo O'Neill
46) 000-3056 CHARACTER BUILDING (IRE) 11-10-04 John Quinn
47) 1215/1P/-5 ORNAIS (FR) 9-10-04 Paul Nicholls
48) 00P-234P PIRAYA (FR) 8-10-04 David Pipe
49) PP2/111/- SURFACE TO AIR 10-10-04 Chris Bealby
50) 301050 THAT'S RHYTHM (FR) 11-10-04 Martin Todhunter
51) 0U2F-0P2 ARBOR SUPREME (IRE) 9-10-03 Willie Mullins IRE
52) 1F3U-P1U FRANKIE FIGG (IRE) 9-10-03 Howard Johnson
53) 1P0-053U ONE COOL COOKIE (IRE) 10-10-03 Charlie Swan IRE
54) 013111- OUR MONTY (IRE) 8-10-03 Willie Mullins IRE
55) P5U-42P ROYAL ROSA (FR) 12-10-03 Howard Johnson
56) 0P1-0060 ALWAYS WAINING (IRE) 10-10-02 Peter Bowen
57) 421001 GOLDEN KITE (IRE) 9-10-02 Adrian Maguire IRE
58) P1P-41U MEANUS DANDY (IRE) 8-10-02 Paul Nicholls
59) 41/313-01 SKIPPERS BRIG (IRE) 10-10-02 Nicky Richards
60) 1F4/22-1P BELON GALE (IRE) 8-10-01 Howard Johnson
61) 3/402P-0 FAASEL (IRE) 10-10-01 David Pipe
62) 3P-02043 LE BEAU BAI (FR) 8-10-01 Richard Lee
63) 0D61-0F MERIGO (FR) 10-10-01 Andrew Parker
64) 321112 PUTNEY BRIDGE 9-10-01 Keith Goldsworthy
65) 256-0216 ASKTHEMASTER (IRE) 11-10-00 Robert Tyner IRE
66) 363221- DEV (IRE) 11-10-00 Gordon Elliott IRE
67) F123-P22 GILES CROSS (IRE) 9-10-00 Victor Dartnall
68) 111U0-66 SADDLERS STORM (IRE) 9-10-00 Tony Martin IRE
69) 11P61/0/- STARZAAN (IRE) 12-10-00 Hughie Morrison
70) 60U0-60 AMBOBO (USA) 11-9-13 Martin Brassil IRE
71) 05241P DUERS (IRE) 9-9-13 Paul Magnier IRE
72) 31-PP11P SAGALYRIQUE (FR) 7-9-13 Donald McCain
73) 311120- TOBY JUG 10-9-13 Sarah Humphrey
74) 5/2613-P GALANT NUIT (FR) 7-9-12 Ferdy Murphy
75) 3131-32 JUNIOR 8-9-12 David Pipe
76) 00-50642 THE SAWYER (BEL) 11-9-12 Bob Buckler
77) 40F-04452 BALLYFITZ 11-9-09 Nigel Twiston-Davies
78) P0-24U344 I'MONCLOUDNINE (IRE) 8-9-09 Neil Mulholland
79) PF4-536 POMME TIEPY (FR) 8-9-09 Willie Mullins IRE
80) 204/12-PP THE SLIOTAR (IRE) 10-9-08 Philip Hobbs
81) F/116PP- TREACLE (IRE) 10-9-04 Bjorn Nielsen IRE
82) 560-P2322 REGAL HEIGHTS (IRE) 10-9-02 Tom George

Snowy morning also supposedly ruled out. Reckon we will see at least another 10 drop out with injuries, setbacks, different targets etc.

Do't see too many coming out there now. Tidal Bay, Midnight Chase, What A Friend, Deep Purple seem 4 obvious ones though

Snowy Morning now out, well, not in the betting anyway.

Shrewd-which ones came out then? Official or unofficial?

Grand National entries scratched: Apt Approach, Cane Brake, Carronhills, Fair Along, From Dawn To Dusk, Glencove Marina, I'msingingtheblues, Just Amazing, Khachaturian, Little Josh, Mobaasher, Neptune Collonges, Nicto De Beauchene, Noble Concorde, Quezac De La Roque, Quiscover Fontaine, Taranis, Tinakellylad, Tranquil Sea

Official taken out at declaration stage.

*Officially

Meanus Dandy supposedly out as well.

I got slightly muddled I've got those you listed at 12:23 already. Good stuff.

junior backers today

got 9-12 . you won't see him in liverpool this year i'm afraid

Some people get slightly excited

Mully

How many more do you expect to drop out?

I just went through the top 40 again a few times and I can't get it any more than 5 obvious ones. Tuesday 22nd is the next declaration.
My spread would be 5-10 at this stage.

Any news on today's scratchings? Usually it's around lunch I recall. Midnight Chase definitely out.

Tricky Trickster injured on Sat will be out as well.

The Evan Williams-trained Deep Purple is one of eight to have been taken out, along with Tatenen, Tricky Trickster, Dream Alliance, Snowy Morning, Gullible Gordon, Meanus Dandy and The Sliotar.

Midnight chase still in then.

Very confusing news that. Mullholland told the press yesterday it was highly unlikely to run in the National.

Neil Mulholland has ruled out running Midnight Chase in this year's Grand National following his sterling effort in the Cheltenham Gold Cup.

The nine-year-old was no match for new king Long Run, or old warriors Kauto Star and Denman, but plugged on well at the death to claim fifth. Mulholland is thrilled with how his charge has taken those exertions and Aintree's totesport Bowl (April 7), rather than the National, will be his next assignment.

"I would say he'll go to Aintree next, but he won't be running in the National. He's only a second season chaser and we'll probably leave that for next year. The Bowl will be his race. I'm not sure if Long Run will be there or not, but we're going to be bumping into those horses a lot now anyway," said the trainer.

"He's come out of the race very well indeed - he's perfect. We were very happy with his performance. Fair play to all the other trainers as there were doubts hanging over a few of the horses, but barring Imperial Commander, all of them have run up to their marks.

"Obviously the race was run in a record time and our lad was only beaten 19 lengths, so he's run a very good race.

"We definitely don't have any regrets about running. I thought he was going to be tailed off at one stage and I was about to bury my head, but then he's stayed on really well at the finish.

"Our fellow is really a top handicapper and we've had a really good run with him. He doesn't owe anybody anything and hopefully he can pick up prize-money in the top races and maybe win a nice one somewhere down the line."

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Think the horses on 10-03 should get in now.

Who else can we see not running?

Midnight Chase the only one I could say definitely not running to

Probably a couple will come out due to bad prep/scope or something like that. Then likely that a few of the irish horses will come out when the weights are released for the Irish national and the ground becomes clearer.

Like Shrewd says, I can only see the odd Irish one pulling out now + Midnight Chase.

Anyone worried about one of theirs not making it yet?

Yes, One Cool Cookie but don't really fancy him much now anyway so have laid some off.

If horses have the same weight, is the pecking order decided by Phil Smith's discretion or by current OR? If it is the latter, how do you factor in the Irish horses - is it taken on their official Irish rating?

Do we think Skippers Brig will get in?

i think frankie figg will be no.40 cant see skippers brig making it but he tends to get in short at his fences and couldnt see him getting round anyway

Skippers for Ayr

im curious about this too, speedy - i asked this q on another thread and was told names around the limit were drawn from a hat so that horses allocated identical weight were ordered to either just get in or have a reserve number. Though im not sure how close to the day of the race that this order is known - any knowledge would be appreciated

In answer to speedy and toilet, Mr Smith uses a guide of recent form for horses handicapped with same weight, for instance because SKIPPERS BRIG comes lower than others with same rating because of alphabetical norms, as he has won since weights were published he goes to the top of those os same rating.
Hope this helps.

Any more doubtful participants?

Any news?
BTW, these freds need moving across the the Aintree 2011 forum.

Thanks bazzar

One Cool Cookie

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