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If I remember correctly someone had a go at me for mentioning Workforce on the thread last year
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One negative about that Alanza is that her finishing effort was made look all the better by the Joanna Morgan-trained runner-up (Independent Girl I think she was called) stopping in front. IG is an absolute pig and made the Oxx horse look better than she was.
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Sea Moon most exciting 3-y-o in training MONSTER!
Tonnerre and Dumbarton both ran promisingly in maidens and will make up into a lovely middle distances 3-y-0,s |
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wow thats a bold statement Alvarado! Personally I don't like his head carriage (Sea Moon I mean, not Alvarado....I've never met Alvarado.)and can't see him being top class but we'll see.
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Sorry Rhinestone, i remember i actually mistook what you were saying that time, you were asking was it stating the obvious putting up workforce but i thought you were saying i was stating the obvious about something else, good selection btw
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Beatrice Aurore, a Danehill Dancer filly trained by John Dunlop, won a mile maiden at Newmarket in September in a decent time. She's unlikely to be a world-beater but she won't need to be to win a handicap off her mark of 77.
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rhinestone please mention something this year...!
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Don't worry about it Rowley Mile
![]() I like COTC's bottom one, Zaminast. Everything went against her on her debut, she done really well to win. She actually quickened twice when asked, a good sign. They weren't donkeys she beat either. Would Weld go for our 1000 Guineas? |
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Personally, i'll be taking a more positive look at the aw maiden winners as the last 4 leger winners have run/won on the aw and i will watch the mid season progress of Yaseer as mentioned by COTC.
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Peter Martins.
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Strictly speaking, Peter Martins doesn't qualify as he won a novices' contest, but I know what you mean. He was deeply impressive at HQ, and I don't think there were too many better debut displays around last year. Definitely the dark horse for the 2000 if everything goes to plan between now and April, when he is due to run in the Craven.
Also, while on the subject of novice stakes winners, I thought Clive Brittain's Dffar could be an interesting prospect. He didn't beat much when seeing off a couple of rivals at Doncaster last summer, but the way in which he quickened to seal matters was impressive (still looked green), and the fact he was well supported on debut (ran well until lack of fitness told) suggests they think he is quite decent. Also, any suggestions as to those who didn't make winning debuts but who caught the eye anyway? I have got quite a few who I will be following this season. It would be interesting to see if anyone else has got a few tucked up their sleeve. |
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Wonder Of Wonders couldn't have been much more eyecatching on her debut.
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Agreed. Both Wonder Of Wonders and Notable Graduate are two of the most exciting 3yo prospects in Ireland this year IMO.
Arizona Jewel from the Cecil yard is another very nice 3yo prospect. She is closely related to Frankel's dam and a half sister to Powerscourt, and she briefly matched strides with 95 rated Aneedah on her debut at Yarmouth last autumn until tiring in the ground and seemingly in need of the run. I'd be amazed if she wasn't half decent this year. John Gosden has a whole raft of interesting once raced maidens, none more so than Colombian, a half brother to Clodovil who found all the trouble in running going on his debut at Newbury last September, though Buick was hardly at pains to recover ground on the first two when eventually out in the clear over a furlong out. He looks very exciting. Others to note from the stable include Cobbs Quay, Izzi Top, Moment Juste, Skilful, Splendid Light, Unex Dali and Wild Mimosa. Luca Cumani has also got some nice 3yos this term, most notably Golestan Palace (made a very interesting forward move on the bridle on his debut around half a mile out), Kirthill and Spifer. John Dunlop, although not the force he once was, has himself got a few nice types to look forward to, in particular: Elrasheed (half brother to Akmal; tenderly handled when seventh behind Frankel on debut), Knightly Escapade and Misk Khitaam. However, Korngold has to be the one from his yard that I will be following closely this season. Well-bred (half brother to Charm School; from a smart Highclere Stud family), but very quietly ridden on all three outings, revealing ability each time but always poorly placed; looks potentially thrown in off an inital mark of 62. Also, Spirit Of Gondree looks another handicap 'project' from the stable - switched to the inside when making headway at Warwick, then travelling well for a long way when finishing fifth behind Carlton House at Newbury. I'd be amazed he wasn't up to winning a handicap or three this season from an opening mark of 69. I also saw Fire Fighter mentioned on another thread, and he looks to be the 3yo handicapper from the Sir Mark Prescott yard to follow this season, typically needing the experience on all three outings (which came within a short space of time); worth remembering that his dam sailed through handicaps and into Listed company in no time at all in her racing days, and she has already produced a useful sort in La De Two. I have got loads of other once/twice raced maidens, but not going to bore everyone, so just the basics! Ardlui (Candy), Barnmore (Hedger), Communicator (Bell), Cry Fury (Charlton), Durante Alighieri (Cecil), Hawawi (Lanigan), Laughing Jack (E Dunlop), Lay Time (Balding), Maqaraat (B Hills), Mijhaar (M Jarvis), Namwahjobo (Goldie), No Heretic (Cole), Shuhra (Haggas), Spartan Spirit (Morrison), State Senator (Prescott) and Suhaili (M Jarvis). |
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No Heretic (as mentioned above)
Dimension (james fanshawe) Of the non winners of note for me anyway. |
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Brilliant writing up as always COTC, a joy to read.
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When John Gosden was interviewed about Morning Charm he was pretty adamant she would give White Moonstone a run for her money in the Fillies Mile, had she have been fit. Unlike JG to be so bullish imo , perhaps that is a bad sign, reverse pschology and all that.
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COTC, one 2yo I took from last season was Marden of Brian Meehan's. I have not seen the horses debut run at this moment in time so will need to look, but I did see it's second run where it won at Leicester. It fell out the stalls and was slowly away, but then got into a rhythm and showed a neat burst of speed up the Leicester incline to put the race to bed. The horse was very green aswell, you'll see it in the closing stages.
Brian Meehans are rarely fit first time out either and the way this won on it's second run left me with the impression there was plenty more to come. I liked it. |
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The 2nd and 6th home have been beaten since. But the 4th won it's next start. 3rd and 5th has not raced again,yet.
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Terrific thread
- being at work all week 9-5 I only really ever manage to watch the big weekend races so miss all these small track maiden races. |
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Another one to throw in the mix is Labarinto of Michael Stoute's who while probably not a superstar should pay his way this year.
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Apparently Marden has been Sold.
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Yes, Marden sold for 190,000gns last autumn.
unclepuncle, Labarinto looked a really nice type when seeing off decent yardstick Cadore by an eased down 4 lengths at Warwick (7f) on rain softened ground last autumn. Sir Michael Stoute always has two or three winning 2yos who progress through the handicap ranks and into pattern company eventually at three, and Labarinto could well fit the bill for this season from an opening mark of 87. He should stay 1m, being a full brother to top-class French/US miler Price Tag, and is clearly a very decent prospect. A few other 2yo winners who should make up into nice handicappers including Black Panther (Dascombe), Census (Hannon), Chef (Balding), Glencadam Gold (Cecil), Inimitable Romanee (Perrett), Little Curtsey (Morrison), Man Of God (Gosden), Rastaban (Haggas) and Soweto Star (Best). Also, a couple of other non-winners I will be keeping a close eye on in handicaps are Pivot Bridge, a Pivotal half brother to 1000 Guineas winner Speciosa who will be asked to race off of 63 after three outing last term which culminated with an eyecatching seventh place finish behind Terdaad at Kempton, making up good late ground on the inner from well off the pace, and Elysian Heights, a now gelded son of Galileo, trained by Jeremy Noseda and owned by Magnier, Tabor and Smith. He looked in need of the experience on all three outings last term in 7f/1m maidens at Newcastle, Yarmouth and Haydock, but he did reveal a bit of ability on each occasion, and it would be a major surprise if he could run up a sequence in 1m+ handicaps from a lowly opening mark of 54. |
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190,000 Guineas is not cheap. I wonder who will be training him and where.
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'Guy Mulcaster is successful on behalf of Sydney trainer Chris Waller in his pursuit of Leicester maiden winner Marden at 190,000gns.'
From the RP HIT Sales report. |
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Just showing that I occasionally read.
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I thought I'd bring this back to the top, given that there is a runner from this horses I mentioned running today (Spartan Spirit in the 5.00 at Lingfield) and because it is the start of the Flat season.
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Western Aristocrat (C) Mr Greeley/Aristrocratic Lady J.Noseda
Just thought he did it nicely at HQ last October,maybe capeable of a bit better still on deecent ground,being an american bred |
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Also, a couple of other non-winners I will be keeping a close eye on in handicaps are Pivot Bridge, a Pivotal half brother to 1000 Guineas winner Speciosa who will be asked to race off of 63 after three outing last term which culminated with an eyecatching seventh place finish behind Terdaad at Kempton, making up good late ground on the inner from well off the pace
Runs in the 5.20 at Nottingham tomorrow. |