Sizing Europe doubtful

whats the source willie .As can only see this as a danger to Kauto

Willie depends where you had the bet and at what time

been told by who?

what's he going to do instead?

lol... Can you post the link to prove you are not lying in an attempt to welch on your Imperial Commander antepost none runner losing bet.

None is pronounced "NUN" as in residents of a convent

Non is pronounced like the french "Non" which means "No", the opposite of yes

Ive never heard of any "NUN RUNNERS" At Kempton before

I believe it is now on BBC Ceefax

Convent Girl and Mother Superior, two I can think of from way back. That was before Sunday racing, of course. Can recall Mother Superior running a few times at Kempton, though that one had too many bad habits to be backed.

LOL AKA, were they blessed with any victories??

willie the welcher and his antepost bet Imaginarium, what is the page on Ceefax your mate down the pub gave you this information on? Post it up then we will know you arent lieing.

I checked the racing sites and he is a runner on them.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070823070644AAre30x

Last price matched Sizing Europe is 22.0 on here and still money on the lay side willie the welcher?

He is only 50/50. Henry De Bromhead has already said he may not be travelling back over.

Sizing Europe's trainer Henry De Bromhead admitted he had "no idea" if his runner would return

from the RP site on 27th December

Currently he is running until ruled out.

Connections are likely to keep checking the weather up until the day before deciding whether to travel or not. Late decision very likely.

lol ... willie the welcher or his mate down the pub must have a better source than the horses trainer.

He said he is doubtful, and he is ain't he?

He said yesterday that he was very unlikely to travel back over with him. They had travelled over once already as far as Fishguard (trainer was at the course) and they're not keen to travel again so soon.

No idea does not mean doubtful, it means no idea.

No both of us are wrong down, eric obviously knows better

I know willie the welcher has most probably lied when posting this thread as he hasnt backed it up but you are ok with that are you? D1ck.

The standard of behaviour and honesty on here is absolutely shocking, people will stop at nothing where their cash is involved.

LOL, Eric, you've some cheek

I have been honest about my bets on here in the past. Just because you cant believe I am good at this isnt my problem zilzal1

Only after the race YBM, then there seem to be more covers than the Savoy on a Saturday night

Although you are quite entertaining as a Narcissist

I have posted my positions up BEFORE the race in the past. You are still called an after-timer when you get it right by others who got it wrong trying to save face. My techniques are important to me as it gives me an edge over others. I am not going to post up immediately each time I place a bet but my books have led others to use the same method to have several running for them rather than one and claiming to have a large pen1s if that one wins .. HAVENT THEY ZILZAL1

MMM, For someone who called Non Runners as "None Runners" and has supposedly three decades of Ante post punting doesn't really seem right.


You bring some entertainment though, i'll give you that

Bit of a hint though mate, you should have laid Imperial Commander off before he was declared a none runner in the King George. I tend to hold my bets, take the wrap if they're out and so would take this on the chin if I was you however I understand most look to lock in a profit asap not having the requisite balls for that.

Ah dear Eric, avoiding the issue as always

I MIGHT yet have a bet in the race if the going is very soft or Heavy, otherwise i wont bother and won't be backing "None" of them

Ive backed nothing in the race as yet, No "NON" RUNNERS or even "NUN, NONE,NON" Non Runners

I am a very good spellar mate ...

I ain't having NON  of that

You are so on Imperial Commander here LOLOL ... every thread you on trying your rearguard action .. come on mate I read trainers minds / intentions and do ok on that, this one with you is p1ss easy. Take it on the chin imo.

Fraid not Eric, you dont have to have a bet to voice a opinion on a market and how it is handled

Just for the record my mate, a racing enthusiast like all on here, told me he read/heard that SE is a major doubt for the KG. And also for the record we have both bet it with the high street books, not on bf. If it does not run, we have done the dough. ffs, so many conspiricy theorists on here.

So it was your mate then

is this another KICKING KING AND BINOCULAR waiting to happen on betfair

Hadnt thought of that, you mean doubts expressed, out to 1000 on here, money down then he turns up.

why would'nt he turn up...3 weeks & more from when he 1st set out..if he does'nt whats he gonna go for ..a slog in the irish henn....

i think we'll see him imho.

put away till the gold cup!?

he's not the best traveller in the world, pissing about on ferries twice in 3 weeks might put off the trainer that's all

but the owner fancied the king george for ages, he'd still be up for it i bet

He has been trained for it. I'd be surprised if they did not come over tbh.

its probably the fact in the past he had a bad journey travelling previously to cheltenham & suffered from "shipping/cabin fever"

More likely they've come to their senses and realised such a sharp track at Champion pace will tie his gangly action in knots.

fair enough..did'nt realise he was that bad a traveller....
perhaps they should've just came over...and given him some time to get over it then....was always going to be re-schelduled

Sizing Europe cut in price today somebody fancies him.

3m around Sandown wont bring out the best in Sizing Europe. i would give him a prep in Ireland before bringing him over for the GC in March. He should be a lot more competitive against Kauto in the GC although i doubt he will be able to beat Imperial Commander around Cheltenham. Worth a try nevertheless.

sandown?????
the race is run at kempton on the 15th mate

I would have thought that 3m around Kempton would suit him more than the gold cup personally

SIZING EUROPE has just been matched on here at 40! It is currently sitting at 28 with only money to back at 50 65 95 and 1000[:(]. That is not good and usually a sign of a non runner about to be publicly addressed with insiders hoovering up any money first! There was £158 wanting to lay at 24 this afternoon about 1pm, when i looked at 3pm that was down to £48![:(]

Having backed it myself, i am worried!

More interesteing is the 13.5 he sits at for the Champion Chse and the complete lack of interest in his Gold Cup chances.

Connections going the other way again?

One horse almost certain to be missing is last year's Irish Independent Arkle winner, Sizing Europe, as trainer Henry de Bromhead is extremely unlikely to make the trip from Waterford again.

"I think we're going to give it a miss," said De Bromhead. "It's too much travelling in too short a time. Though the horse is in great form, we had a horrendous trip back from Kempton and it's in the back of my mind that he got travel sickness on the way over to Cheltenham in 2009."

Where is the source of your news Princequillo?

Its ok eric morris knows better, we're all just making this up. De Bromhead never said any of these things, we're just ramping

I personally think the writing is on the wall judging on this market on here, SE non runner and our money is already down the swanny! It's just so annoying that every other trainer has been on ATR and RUK or one of the newspapers and have all given a bulletin on their respective contenders except De Bromheadf***, i will be very surprised if come Saturday he is lining up!

it's in the irish independent sts

Sizing Europe might not take his place in the rearranged William Hill King George VI Chase at Kempton on Saturday.

Although trainer Henry de Bromhead has yet to fully make up his mind, he is leaning against sending his 2010 Arkle Trophy winner over to England for the second time in three weeks after making a wasted journey for the abandoned Christmas meeting.

"I'm not sure yet, I've not fully decided. I'd say we'd be leaning towards not going," he said.

"It would be for various reasons. We were already over there for Christmas. I don't know if we want to be doing that twice in such a short space of time. It was a real shame it was off then.

"We have a few options we are looking at but nothing definite at the moment. He's been entered for all the big races at Cheltenham and we will just see."

Sizing Europe put up a pleasing effort over three miles when second to Kauto Star in the JNwine.com Champion Chase at Down Royal in November, and his conqueror is seeking a record fifth successive victory in Kempton's feature.

didn't have HDB down as a ramper

30's is massive in the place market now, worth a nibble for me, maybe a non runner but that's just too big.

will eric apoligise now in your opinion?

PUT THIS TO BED NOW, CONFIRMED NON RUNNER ON HENRY DE BROMHEAD WEBSITE AND FACEBOOK, LINKS ON MY THREAD ON MAIN HORSE RACING GROUP


WILLY HILLS THE FECKERS NOT REFUND BETS EITHER

Eric .... silence is deafening....

Just went into my local hills to ask on a query i heard on another forum about them refunding bets on this race if requested by the customer about 2 weeks ago and here is what i was told by willy hills, first the manager in shop and then by customer service rep on phone:

Me to shop manager where my bet was placed: "I hear that apparently 2 weeks ago you were refunding KG bets at the request of the customer as a gesture of goodwill?"

Manager replies: "I do not really know anything about this, let me give them a ring and see what i can do for you."

ring ring, ring ring

Customer service rep: "Yes that is correct, we were, what is the name of the horse that the customer is asking about please?"

Manager: "Sizing Europe"

Customer Service rep: "Well in that case then that horse cannot now be treated as a non runner and all bets on that horse stand because there lies some doubt about that horses participation in the race."

Manager says to me: "All bets stand, i am sorry, i know you came in 2 weeks ago and said and i was wrong but its too late now and you should have phoned them up then. All bets stand it will be treated as such, i am sorry again!"

WHAT A FECKING JOKE, I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID ON ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT IT BEING FAIR THAT ALL BETS STAND ON THIS RACE ANTEPOST RULES ETC, AS IT IS CLEAR THAT THESE BOOKIES ARE TAKING YOU FOR A RIDE!

Hi *******,

Thank you for taking the time to write us.

Please be informed that it looks like it will be staged on the 15th of January. However, bets will still stand as the race will still be at Kempton.

We trust this answers your query. If we could be of further assistance, please do not hesitate to email us again or contact us via our Live Chat facility.

Kind regards,

Shelley

Customer Service
William Hill Online


thats the reply i got late on the 26th December, utter kunts this lot are

I say we should bombard atr's geton programme tomorrow morning with our emails with copy/pasted letters and phone calls to william hills and ask them if they could ask the bimbo from the firm what the score is with all the false information they continually have been giving out since the 27th Dec'!

geton@attheraces.com

I knew the horse would not be travelling back over as i'd all but said on numerous occasions on here and purple but didn't have that much on so not the end of the world . Obviously i'd rather the money in my pocket rather than there's though. Will send an e-mail in the morning to that STS

Well i just sent one, will send it again later then another few times tomorrow then wait watch the programme and see if anything is said. It's a disgrace. I was clearly given false information 2 weeks ago, if you look at my threads i am clearly ok with the rules on antepost as in another light i would not be too bothered about losing my doe. (£30)

They can't have taken that much money on a 16/1 shot., in fact it wouldn't have a rule 4 if the horse was taken out on the day of the race. Poor stuff indeed if a bookmaker doesn't refund.

The original market should have been closed IMO, all bets refunded (certainly on those that were declared overnight at least). As I said elsewhere, 3 weeks delay is too long - what would have happened if (heaven forbid), Kauto Star had been Sizing Europe, and was pulled out? 3 weeks is too long and a n/r runner from the original overnight declarations was always likely.

I'm on with Sid James. Worth a quick call to see if I get me stake back, but not holding out much hope.

Boys in the racing fomum now saying WH refunding stakes on SE as a gesture of good will...good luck everybody

Hills are the only cnuts not refunding, or at least they're making you beg for it!

trying to get my steak back from hills too, not holding my breath

any particular arguments or points i should make, i think i've covered most of it, i just want to hear if anybody has been sucessful what it was that won their argument

DAS, last post at 8pmish says WH refunding

Waiting on a reply from bet £3.65

Just got my bet voided via 'live chat' on their website. Well done Billy Hills.

B1tch I was onto on live chat refused to refund.
2nd email sent.

looks like one of those situations where they'll do what the fook they want, depending on who you are, how much you bet/lose with them etc.

Refunded!
Was on the live chat yoke again, got some lad Jay this time, even got my Imperial Commander bets refunded

you couldn't make it up

no refund for me..the dirty feckers.

this is crazy!!
They need exposing with their one rule for one
and one for another.....
i got refunded in the shop on the 27th dec

Keep at them sofiakenny - I got refused the first time, just tell them you know others got refunded!

sofiakenny Joined: 02 Apr 05
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no refund for me..the dirty feckers.

me neither mate

email notification waiting for me this morning and the money back in my account

surely just point them in the direction of the betfair forum and ask why they've refunded several of us but you aren't being treated the same?

Just been on to Sid James. Stake will be returned when the race has been run. Yipeeeeeeeee