Godolphin Resurgence....

The trainer change will see them win a fair few. NQAT

They ain't having a good season by any stretch of the imagination.

What's happended to Rewilding and Cutlass Bay?

rewilding ledger winner imo

Rewilding must be a could hoss

Burj Nahar will be out in the next couple of months :)

Nothing wrong with the quality of the German Group 1s. Wiener Walzer was 2 lengths of the Eclipse winner and a horse who got within a length of Goldikova. Zazou wasn't far behind the French Guineas/Derby winner Lope De Vega and looked certain to improve for the step up in trip. Good work from Godolphin imo.

There's everything wrong with the German Group 1s. They're Group 2s in everything but name.

Campanologist will now follow the path Eastern Anthem took last year: Rheinland Pokal, Preis von Baden and Preis von Europa. Eastern Anthem took 3rd, 2nd and 2nd in those races. The winners: Wiener Walzer, Getaway and Jukebox Jury would be Group 2 horses everywhere except Germany.

If Campanologist pulls it off he'll be a quadruple Group 1 winner although he's a Group 2 horse at his best in the UK.

I'm providing facts to back up my statements and can provide lots more.

"that's nonsense" and "it's bloody hard" doesn't cut it.

You may also be confused by facts and opinion.  Your 12:11 post has much of the latter, hippie?

Campanologist has definitely improved this year, took a Group 2 at Meydan and his first Group 1 is definitely a step up.

Btw this is getting away from initial point of this season being a turning point for them.

Changes had to be made, they made them, its working.

Jukebox only just got touched off in the Canadian International. another top quality g1.

Also have to look at the fantastic recent record of german horses competing in french group races. Excellent stuff.

....and I agree, ELG.  The boys in blue are back and racing's much the better for it.

No runner in the King George this weekend.

Thats where the bar is set

Galileo vs Fantastic Light was one of the Great races

Now they can't even muster a 100/1 shot rag or a horse even worth its salt in such a race

As you've shown you need to be better than a Group 2 horse to win the race, therefore these races aren't p!ss easy to win. The King George is obviously the best middle distance race this month but Campanologist's race is still a challenging Group 1 and the form of the race looks worthy of a Group 1 with the horses in there all capable of running big races in Group 1s throughout the World.

I have quickly run Group 1 numbers through my database.

From 1996 onwards based upon 1048 Group 1 races, for horses aged 3 or over (excluding 2 year olds is obvious) the average winning rating is as follows:

Globally (exc. Germany) 114
Germany                 106

The Sandown Mile wasn't the best British Group 2 in 2009.
Yes it was, according to the European Pattern Committee.  Maybe your figures are more official than that, though, hippie?  Anyway, if you'd like to tell the class which British G2 you think was the best I'll tell you the race rating and where it really sits in the 2009 table.

What 3yo averages have to do with the Grosser Preis Von Baden only you know.
Oh dear. Not 3-y-o average.  Three Year Average (as you have just deduced).  It is the rolling figure that all European Pattern races are judged on.  There appears to be a degree of ignorance here regarding the mechanism of European Pattern races, such as how they are rated, who rates them and what the ratings are.  If you would like me to provide further insight into this, such as the parameters for various sections and how races are upgraded or downgraded, feel free to ask.

The GPVB made it into 19th place on thoroughbred rankings last year. The years before that it was 23rd (2008), 45th (2007), 105th (2006), 56th (2005) - that's hardly remaining "in the top 20 races in the world on thoroughbred rankings, as it has been for quite a while."
Fair cop - I made that very last bit up.  It is still quite evident to anyone who can count that the GPVB performs to a higher level than any G2 in Europe and, as stated, it is an insult to compare them.

In each of those years the best Group 2 figures in England would have been good enough to win the GPVB: 121, 122, 119, 118 respectively. Last year's best Group 2 figure (119) would not have been good enough to win the GPVB but the winner (Getaway) was still never good enough to win a Group 1 in any other country. 
I haven't a clue what figures you're computing, hippie, but they are not the ones, agreed by European Handicappers, that European Pattern races are judged on officially.  My stats are rock solid and can be found in the 2010 European Pattern Book - an excellent publication and one you'd do well to track down. As a taster, I can exclusively reveal the highest single rating awarded to any 3-y-o or 3-y-o+ G2 in GB covering 2007, 2008 and 2009 was the 2008 Dante, which was awarded an end-of-season rating of 118.75.  During that period there were 121 G2s awarded a rating in Britain yet, even accounting for that freakishly high number in the Dante, none of them could match any of the GPVBs in the same period.  You are flogging a dead horse.

This German G1 doesn't knock the spots off the very cream of European G2s.
If it was demoted to G2 level it would be the best G2 in Europe by a margin.  I think we can now safely say it does knock the spots of them, hippie.

Based on figures already mentioned your best German G2 of the last 3 years does not compare favourably.
This is a simple exerice of working out which numbers are biggest.  We're in trouble if that's proving difficult.   

If you do initiate a pissing contest make sure your figures are correct instead of making them up.
Firstly, what is a pissing contest?  Secondly, have I won yet?  And thirdly, if "my" figures don't match the ones available in the Hippie Beginners' Guide to European Flat Racing speak to HRI, France Galop, BHA, the Direktorium and UNIRE.  I've played no part in them. Thanks.

(Hardwicke btw - 113.50.  Miles off the pace.)

2009 WORLD THOROUGHBRED RANKINGS

Rank: 65 Rating: 119 Cat: L Surface: T Horse: Bronze Cannon (USA) Sire: Lemon Drop Kid (USA) YOF: 2005 Sex: C Trainer: J.H. M. Gosden  Trained: GB Position: 1st Race: Hardwicke Date: 20th June Group: 2 Distance: 2400 Race Run: GB