St James Palace Stakes Group 1 Tuesday 15th June 3.50

Makfi, will once again beat Canford Cliffs.

TY Ben  :)

Who knows, some folk may not know the horse and/or the UK folk's aversion to the word d1ck. Just keeping it real.

I got 2k on at 2/1, what you on at Perp?

Between the Frenchies, Siyouni and Makfi for me, in that order.

I thought he ran a nice enough race at the Curragh Ben, travelled very sweetly before getting a bit tired and seemed to stay on again.  He settled pretty good held up for the first time and showed he's adaptable.  He should come on considerably for the run but it's difficult to see him improving enough to beat CC imo. 

Still, they all have a "backable" price but given his form and in a race of this quality I'd be wanting double figures rather than, for example, the 9/2 SJ price him at, an all too typical bookie over-reaction given the stable and the hype that surrounds him.

Yes, CC makes the market and I guess people will fall one side or the other.  There's no doubting his ability but the day I back a horse at 6/4 to win a race like this is the day I chop my bllx off. 

Siyouni is a massive price for me and I backed him a couple of weeks ago.  He was very impressive at Longchamp on Arc day and had no race at all in the French Guineas after being tightened up at the top of the straight, when a very well supported favourite.  He's a fair bit better than Lope De Vega imo, who won that race pretty comfortably (beating D1ck of course). 

I like Makfi and think he is under-rated for an unbeaten horse and pretty easy Guineas winner.  Steinbeck is just too short for me at the moment, but he's respected.

7/4 down, can't envisage defeat.

Was only messin perp, knew what you had [;)]
Celtic went 5/2 special on him today...

Does anyone think that Lope de Vega's win in French 'Derby' franks **** Turpin and in turn the English 2000 Guineas form?
I've just added **** Turpin at 15.5 as have seen its been backed into 5/1 with PP
Cannot see it not being single figures on the day - estimate 7/1ish.
Looks like being a cracking race

**** = Penis

Just wonder whether Hannon will run both his in SJP?

I know they've taken each other on twice already this season but just a feeling CC will go for SJP and Penis elsewhere.

Pity Lope de Vega is not entered for the race, would be following the same path as his sire.

siyouni has ran all over loup de vega twice [admittedly the second time he didnt catch his pacemaker in time but came from behind loup and still beat him] before getting no sort of run in the 2000g for me siyouni has to be the play in the st james palace at around 15s on here

Just looking at this market, it makes little sense to me.   

I mean, I love the Penis, as I'm sure we all do, but there's no reason this should be half the price of Siyouni, a horse that smashed it out of sight when it got a fair go.

Re: Siyouni - always a doubt about horses coming over from France, is he a confirmed runner?

Canford setled so much better in Ireland, if he does again at Ascot there is only one winner

steinbeck for me as long as the ground is fast .
which it probably will be .
he wasnt off a yard at the curragh .
and im sure this has been his main target.
as usual the ballydoyle horses will start motoring pretty soon
after a slow start .
the danger is the french bred siyouni imo.

prima should have said first target.
the same thing was said about rvw last year and he turned out ok.i was happy enough with his run in the irish guineas to make me think there is more to come they often use big races as preps for another day as im sure you know.

Connections of Canford Cliffs believe he is unlikely to be inconvenienced by going round a bend for the first time in Ascot's St James's Palace Stakes.

Last year's Coventry Stakes winner finally lived up to the hype when running out a ready winner of the Irish 2000 Guineas.

He has ground to make up on his Newmarket conqueror Makfi and stablemate **** Turpin, who has beaten him twice already this season, but Richard Hannon jnr, the trainer's son and assistant, is feeling bullish.

"He's in very good form and he's come out of the Irish race very well," he said.

"I wouldn't have thought going round a bend will bother him, he's very straightforward. He has ducked left on occasions but he's very straightforward generally.

"They went a very good gallop in Ireland and he was able to just get a nice tow off the leaders. The way he won, he won it so well, he never looked as if he was going to be beaten. He was very impressive and it definitely suited him being held up.

"He came home so well at Newmarket I was a little bit disappointed he didn't win that day.

"He'd had a prep run and there was no issue with the trip so it was maybe the dip that beat him.

"We are taking on the winner again but we'll still fancy him."

Having finished just in front of Canford Cliffs at Newmarket in second, **** Turpin then filled the same spot in France behind subsequent impressive French Derby winner Lope De Vega.

"You've got to respect him, he's done absolutely nothing wrong and when you look at the way that horse won the French Derby yesterday, there was no shame in being beaten by him," added Hannon.

"He's suffered a bit by being in Canford Cliffs' shadow but he's a very, very good horse," he told At The Races.

imagine if he veers left round the bend