TATTERSALLS GOLD CUP (Group 1) (4yo+) Good To Firm 1m2f110y 23/05/10 The Curragh

Fame and glory was impressive last time out and cutlass bay looks the main danger.

What a poor turn out for such a great race.

Does **** like it quick ..

Fame and Glory

being a son of montjeu you would think he wouldn't want it too quick

Aye. I wonder if Aidan will have a word

Cutlass Bay now with Saeed Bin Surror.

So thats him being unplaced here.

Fame And Glory easily.

Surely he couldn't ruin a horse  in less than 2 weeks

wouldnt rule out Glass Harmonium in this, Stoute has won it before and looks to be improving rapidly, really think this horse could go right to the very top this year.

Crap turnout yet again.

Brings up the old question about older horse G1's early in the season.

Years gone by and you might have had horses that now run in Dubai in this race or types that ran in Singapore last weekend.
There was even a 1m2 G1 in Italy last weekend

As it is you end up with O'Brien, Stoute and the Sheikh plus a load of listed class animals. More trainers should have a pop at these races. Older horse Group 1's are so weak at this time of year.

Really, thank god they've supplemented Cutlass Bay, at least there is some interest to be garnished from the race now.

DATE	WINNER	ODDS	TRAINER	AGE	WEIGHT	JOCKEY	GOING	DISTANCE
24/05/09	Casual Conquest (IRE)	11/4	Weld, D K	4	9-0	Smullen, P J	Heavy	1m2½f
25/05/08	Duke Of Marmalade (IRE)	1/3	OBrien, A P	4	9-0	Murtagh, J	Firm	1m2½f
27/05/07	Notnowcato	7/1	Stoute, Sir Michael	5	9-0	Murtagh, J	Good To Firm	1m2½f
28/05/06	Hurricane Run (IRE)	1/4	Fabre, A	4	9-0	Fallon, K	Soft	1m2½f
22/05/05	Grey Swallow (IRE)	13/2	Weld, D K	4	9-0	Smullen, P J	Good To Yielding	1m2½f
23/05/04	Powerscourt	100/30	OBrien, A P	4	9-0	Spencer, Jamie	Good To Firm	1m2½f
25/05/03	Black Sam Bellamy (IRE)	6/1	OBrien, A P	4	9-0	Kinane, M J	Yielding To Soft	1m2½f
26/05/02	Rebelline (IRE)	7/1	Prendergast, Kevin	4	8-11	McDonogh, D P	Soft	1m2½f
27/05/01	Fantastic Light (USA)	5/4	Suroor, Saeed Bin	5	9-0	Dettori, L	Good	1m2½f
28/05/00	Montjeu (IRE)	1/3	Hammond, J E	4	9-0	Kinane, M J	Good To Yielding	1m2½f
23/05/99	Shiva (JPN)	100/30	Cecil, H R A	4	8-11	Fallon, K	Good	1m2½f
24/05/98	Daylami (IRE)	5/4	Suroor, Saeed Bin	4	9-4	Dettori, L	Good To Soft	1m2f
25/05/97	Dance Design (IRE)	5/2	Weld, D K	4	9-1	Kinane, M J	Good To Yielding	1m2f

2 weeks is more than enough for that clown imo

Does anyone have figures on the record of Goldawful's new recruits fto? Last 2-3 seasons?

They have 2 high profile runners today, and as alluded to here Cutlass Bay on Sunday.
Ta.

quick ground wont bother fame and glory all he needs is a strong pace.

Any chance of getting a market up on this?

Not I das.
Probably fair to assume though it would run at a level steakes loss.

1        11-1   
Cutlass Bay
m Halling (USA) - Dunnes River (USA)
4, 9-0(Tonguestrap) (43) (Godolphin) (Drawn 2)
Saeed Bin Suroor
A Ajtebi

2        51-44   
Dixie Music
b c Montjeu (IRE) - Dixielake (IRE)
4, 9-0 (21) (Mrs John Magnier, Michael Tabor & Derrick Smith) (Drawn 4) Rated 101
A P O'Brien
(---)

3        66-31   
Fame And Glory
b c Montjeu (IRE) - Gryada (GB)
4, 9-0 (21) (Derrick Smith, Mrs John Magnier & Michael Tabor) (Drawn 5) Rated 128
A P O'Brien
(---)

4        1P05   
Halicarnassus
b c Cape Cross (IRE) - Launch Time (USA)
6, 9-0 (23) (Doric Racing) (Drawn 1)
M R Channon
R L Moore

5        45-22   
Recharge
b c Cape Cross (IRE) - Rebelline (IRE)
4, 9-0 (21) (Lady O'Reilly) (Drawn 3) Rated 107
Kevin Prendergast
C D Hayes

6        110-1   
Chinese White
gr f Dalakhani (IRE) - Chiang Mai (IRE)
5, 8-11 (22) (Lady O'Reilly) (Drawn 6) Rated 113
D K Weld

What a sad state of affairs this race has become

Racecaller's Trends
The Tattersalls Gold Cup takes place on the undercard of the Curragh’s 1000 Guineas day on Sunday 23rd May. It’s a group 1 race run over 1M 2½F and has been won by some top class horses in the past decade, including Montjeu, Fantastic Light and Hurricane Run. It’s disappointing to see that only 7 horses have been entered at the 5-day stage this year.

Below we take a look at the trends for the past 10 years:

Age

	Win		Place	Runners
4yo	8		7	40
5yo	2		4	18
6yo	o		1	4

8 of 10 winners were aged 4yo, though they have represented approximately 65.4% of the total runners.
The two 5yo winners were the only two winner trained in Great Britain.

Gender
The nine mares to run in this race have finished 818228623 (1-2-9)

Recent/Past Form
10 of 10 winners won over 1M 2F+
10 of 10 winners had won a group 1 or 2
7 of 10 winners had won a group 1 (all 3 exceptions had been placed in a group 1)
10 of 10 winners had run no more than twice that season
6 of 10 winners had won at the Curragh (2 exceptions were having first course start & other two had finished in the first 3 in a group 1 here)
10 of 10 winners were officially rated 110 or higher

Other Races
Previous season's Irish Derby winner (Fame And Glory): 1112 (3-1-4)
Prix Ganay winner (Cutlass Bay): 2221 (1-3-4)
Prev season's Derrinstown Stud winner (Fame And Glory): 21 (1-1-2)
Previous season's Prix Greffulhe winner (Cutlass Bay): 1 (1-0-1)
Mooresbridge Stakes winner (Fame And Glory): 5613 (1-0-4)
5 of 10 winners ran in the previous season's Irish Derby, finishing 16112 (one other finished 7th in the Irish Oaks)
4 of 10 winners ran in the previous season’s Arc, finishing 1001
3 of 10 winners ran in the previous season's French Derby, finishing 152
2 of 10 winners ran in the Irish Champion Stakes, finishing 24
2 of 10 winners ran in the Judmonte International Stakes, finishing 14
2 of 10 winners ran in the Prix Ganay, finishing 91
2 of 10 winners ran in the Newmarket Champion Stakes, finishing 88
2 of 10 winners ran in the Eclipse, finishing 52

Trainers
Aidan O’Brien (3-2-11) has won 3 of the last 7 runnings of this race.
Dermot Weld (2-1-7) trained the winner in 2005 and saddled the first two home last year.
Saeed Bin Suroor (1-2-7), Michael Stoute (1-1-3) and Kevin Prendergast (1-0-4) have all saddled the winner once in the past decade.
British-trained runners (2-6-23) have won only 2 of the last 10 from approximately 37.1% of the total runners.
French-trained runners (2-1-3) have gained 2 wins and a second from 3 runners. Cutlass Bay had been trained in France by Andre Fabre until she moved to Saeed Bin Suroor earlier this month.

Price
10 of the last 10 winners were priced 7/1 or shorter
Nine runners has been the biggest field for this race since 2000 so it’s no surprise that all winners have gone off at single-figure prices.
Favourites (4-4-10) have won 4 of the last 10 however 4 of the 7 odds-on favourites to run in this have been turned over in the past decade. Favourites show a level stakes loss of 3.84 over past 10 years.

Summary:
Based on the trends from the past 10 years you are looking for a horse:
·         Aged 4
·         Won over 1M 2F or further
·         Won a group 1 or 2 (finished in first 3 in a group 1)
·         Course winner
·         Officially rated 110+
·         Ran in the Irish or French Derbys last season
·         Trained by A O’Brie

Why are we all a bit down on this race?  Potentially the two best older horses in Europe are lining up?

Doesn't look at all shabby to me...

I agree TH, could've been a lot worse imo.
Looking fwd to seeing Chinese White step up too, big ask though.

good lineup, looking forward to it.

would be all over Cutlass if he was still with Andre, not sure now.

Is Cutlass Bay not a mare

why's Ajtebi on???

good line up my ring.

it is.

Which horses are missing that should be running, sintonian?

Cutlass Bay is most certainly not a mare!
Why is it listed as one!?

OK. I`m confusing this one with Cavalryman but that still doesn`t explain why it carried the same as the colts in the Ganay!!!!!??????

Not for the first time in my life, I am confused.

It's a mistake in the RP database, Cutlass Bay is a colt.

Phew. Thought I was losing it!
Checked Paris Turf

Cutlass Bay
Date de naissance : 2006
Sexe : Mâle
Robe : bai
Père : Halling
Mère : Dunnes River
Père de la mère : Danzig USA

Fillies don't become mares until 5 anyway so it's definitely wrong :)

Also wrong on Timeform!

Cutlass Bay (UAE)
Trainer Saeed Bin Suroor
Owner Godolphin
Age 4
f Halling (USA) | Dunnes River (USA)

Sprting Life. RESPECT.

Cutlass Bay (UAE)
Age: 4 (foaled 31st Mar 2006)         Trainer: Saeed Suroor
Sex: Bay Colt         Owner: Godolphin
Breeding: Halling - Dunnes River (Danzig)

definitely not a mare down.

Very poor by the RP, esp as all the connection's comments refer to he and him.

Ta btw [;)]

where is funtime frankie ?

frankie's in france on hibaayeb.

Was confused there by the fella on RPTV referring to Cutlass Bay as she a couple of times! Maybe he was just trying not to show up his employers!

Strange things happen when horses move to Godolphin.