Cape Blanco - I expect he is injured/out?

Pricewise MT iyo??

6/1 was the wrong price. The "adjustment" is meaningless

What price do you think Cape Blanco should be ? Charlton 2005

10/1 with a run

Pricewise usually doesn't move market to this extent... look to me as through it has shortened based on some other prominent horse being out of the market.

I haven't a clue obviously.. but Laddies seem very/too happy to lay Cape Blanco

With a run would be great.

Cape Blanco if a gaurenteed runner should be 7/2 IMO

I think Plat tipped MT so that may be why the money is coming

AP markets are very weak, am surprised the bookies have pushed anything out, not like them. I'd rather be on CB & MT than SNA thats for sure!

Mike he was 5/1 to beat two 20/1 shots in this race. Now he has to beat all the other runners as well (and not get his form turned over with the other two) and you want to make him SHORTER??

only my opinion that he is a real potential star.. please refer to my previous self analysis

I haven't a clue obviously..

He was 5/1 to beat them because of the stable form, particularly first time out. Also Workforce was 8/1 before the Dante and Chabal 16/1.

has was 5/1 as Cabaret was gubbed out of sight the day before as fav..

in a usual pri cewise antpost edition...they have trainers comments etc...

being toms pick....plus a nice comment from AB..could result in a bigger price plunge..

likewise anything -ive about CB may be an indication to his drift...but i dont think drift is anything other tom not picking him...but we shall see...

ben10 Joined: 06 Sep 07
Replies: 1413 17 May 10 19:13 
He was 5/1 to beat them because of the stable form, particularly first time out. Also Workforce was 8/1 before the Dante and Chabal 16/1.

Hey Ben

Can't have that I'm afraid. SNA was 1st time out too. Also I was actually thinking of Co Cut and Chabal, not Workforce.

He beat Workforce though so it's unfair to ignore that, couldn't actually remember CC's price so didn't mention him!
SNA was 6th first time up in comparison to CB bolting up, that's the sort of difference I was pointing to. There could be any amount of improvement in Cape Blanco.

Yeah Ben, but I am pointing out that the price was nothing to do with first time out otherwise SNA would have been 5/2 surely? "They" thought he was a 5/1 shot.

I still think that CB is being seriously under estimated.
He was 5/1 because of the stable's form C2, if Cabaret had of won theres no way CB was going of that big.
Both CB & MT have put up impressive times on the clock, SNA has yet to do this.

Hey Das

But that doesn't explain SNA almost being odds on??

Yeah but the run of SNA may have been part of the consideration, there's a much bigger sample to go off 2 weeks later. With all the hype around him meant people were basically ignoring every consideration bar the Racing Post Trophy form and that was why he was so well backed also.

Maybe Ben, looking at O'Brien's results from 3 May to 12 May, you may be right. My instinct tells me to lay horses after a good performance (and vice versa). In this case I think the 6/1 (which I laid) was ludicrously short. GL to all backers though.

Mile and a quarter for this beast.  Can't see it turning up for a stamina test.

Plenty of stamina in the dams pedigree further back, not the horses fault it ended up with Jack Berry, he never raced anything further than 6f.

not from dam or dam's dam so doesn't grab me as a Derby type.

Laurel Delights dam, Foudroyer is by Artaius who is a strong influence of stamina, he is also the broodmare sire of Salsabil an Oaks winner. Who was sired by Sadlers Wells, who is the sire of Galileo the sire of Cape Blanco.

No winners over mile and a half from either dam though - puts me off.

You dont want a plodder now do you ? Although only time will tell if he truely stays, hope he makes it to the Derby.

Not a plodder but a horse with some form and no stamina doubts.

Cape Blanco is a strong lengthy colt who races like he will stay the distance. There are stamina doubts about every horse that runs in the Derby, that is why it is such a great test. He has already surpassed the distance that his breeding suggests he would stay looking at his dams side. He followed the same route as a 2yo that some of the very best Irish colts of recent years ran in, and it was only injury that forced him out of running in the Dewhurst, for which he would have been near favourite. He also, like Midas Touch, was able to win his trial off a long layoff, unlike most of the Ballydoyle colts this year, which is surely encouraging. In my opinion, this uncomplicated, professional horse will get further than a mile and a half in time if required.

last year sariska had stamina doubts. but like cape blanco she won her trial at york pulling away at the end and looked on racecourse evidence to get the mile and half, so it proved. the finish of the oaks was fought out by two fillies who were sired by sprinters. cape blanco might have a sprinter as his dam but looks a real grinder to me.

of course its also worth mentioning sea the stars, while obviously a truly exceptional racehorse, he was by a miler so there were also stamina doubts. its like the old adage, if you have a horse thats certain to stay, then it'll probably be too slow. i very much doubt that midas touch is quick enough to win a derby.[;)]

ok so we've got stamina doubts ,injury doubts,
will he be able to handle the track?

drifting

FWIW...timetest in the outlook has given him a figure in line with what he rated authorised & motivator achieved before winning @ epsom.

BELMONT STAKES?

did timetest do the derrinstown trev?

i hear that was a good time versus some reasonable horses of yonder? 

plat...stupid biatch has thrown it out...but think he gave
CB a 68.
MT was given a 62.

cheers

strange one that imo.  im getting very bullish about MT tbh

MT

According to the Sporting Life CB has already been working since the Dante.

push     20 May 10 18:10 
According to the Sporting Life CB has already been working since the Dante.
I think that should read.......they have been working on Cape Blanco since the Dante.

He is sill better than your Wonder horse, even if he has to run on 3 legs.

Tosh to that,Yes I was along with many others taken in with SNA,who I think needs to show us now along with Steinbeck how good they are,imo SNA looked moderate at NMKT,Ballydoyle don't seem to be firing yet.
FYI Ballydoyle were really surprised with SNA in the 2000,what I will tell you push is I did see SNA working at home and he did and does look a very good horse,maybe next time out he will show us what he shows at home.

Hope so.

Is that true Prima Donna? The chatter I heard in Leopardstown last week was that he was very much trained with the Guineas in mind to get a mile G1 into Montjeu but were bitterly disappointed?

I heard Jonjo was eager to school SNA head of next years Triumph

jamesmook,That is why he ran in the 2000,thats also why they were so shocked at the result,imo over-trained too confident fuelled by what he was showing at home.

10/1 with a run

lol

looks like he is going to france

trev w Joined: 22 Feb 04
Replies: 2286 27 May 10 19:04 
CB 10/1 NRNB WITH BLUE.

What's so funny diamond you cun t?

Now right back in to 10 or 11 to 1 on here.

So much volatility in these markets. If you took the risk at 40s or 50 which i think was matched you are sitting very pretty now. SNA on the drift. Can be matched at nearly 5/2 before commission.

Plenty of movement on Ballydoyle horses this a.m.---Fame & Glory shorter on here now for Coronation Cup as well.

Bookies are running rings around you all. SNA was 7/4/9/4...they then blast Cape Blanco down to 6, push him out to 10 then push him back down and shove Jan vermeer down to 5s. They're certainly keeping people guessing.

Must be an announcement coming shortly... JV 3s with some books? WTF?

^^^ with BlueSquare who i'd hardly call a bookie. They are just a company to completely ignore.

This will be the RP and the rest of the press realesers alerting the bookies before anyone gets a respectable price.

now it looks midas out and cape in, ****s sake, cant they make decisions,

They don't treat irish punters like this the wee drunken Leprechaun bastards that they are.

Why are Laddies still 10/1.  They're not noted for being slow out the traps with a Ballydoyle live'un. 

Can't have CB myself, and I will stand by that decision come what may!

Speak of laddies, they're 5/2 SNA and 7/2 and dropping on JV. Has Johnny changed his mind ?

Laddies are holding 10's on CB because they've hardly laid a penny on this horse.

A month ago well before the Dante they were 12's when other's including the toat were going 25's hence the ability now to lay at 10's

They're laying 10/1 because he is a 10/1 shot.

this fella may run now? Is St Nick doesn't show up - suspect they will run CB and JV at Epsom!!

be amazed if they dont run their best shot in the derby. the whole idea that they've got 3 horses in the stable more likely to win the epsom derby than the dante winner is a perfect example of how myths have sprung up around the ballydoyle stable, propped up by the media.

any Dante winner deserves to take their chance at Epsom,it seems he may run now,was massive odds earlier in the week,something musnt be right with The Abbey if they're thinking of running CB