**CHELTENHAM 2011 Early Discussion Thread**

unlucky backers.

One less danger for Weird Al

roflcopters at the list of horses quoted for the Gold Cup on Oddschecker

FO Gunny ydc!

No bet btw, you're just a dc.

wtf was that outburst for

Since when do I need a reason to abuse you?

had me fooled me there

WABOC's

downy must have lost a fair bit.

unlucky

Weapons

Weird Al - Joncol both well overpriced and in me book


Forecast imo

I don't have enough money to be betting Chelt AP in May.

want me to lend you some ?

Yes please!
I gave all mine to some Nigerian lad, still waiting on him calling me back

Yup Gunny wil lend it to u imo




























He's just had his claim against McDonalds for slippin on de floor settled

Was Burger King actually.

Weapons Amnesty out.

monsignor is being aimed at the foxhunters

its expected that trafford will return 100% from his injuries, hes bucking and squeeling all year mad to get back training... at 130 + for gold cup i've been availing!

horse i'm most looking forward to is Wymott of D McCains !!

Some 160 up der now if ya want it Swin

You backing Traff for the Foxhunter's too BJG?

Nicky Henderson possibilities:

French Opera - QM Champion
Burton Port - Gold Cup or Aintree?
Long Run - Anyone of the three imo
Punchestowns - GC/Ryanair?
Riverside Theatre - QM/Ryanair
Barber's Shop - Ryanair

Which race for Mad Max?

I'm thinking Queen Mother but i'm convinced he's a Gold Cup horse

I'l let u put 2+2 together from my last statement and work it out urself

Joncol and Weird Al are my 2 AP plays in de GC so far

So copy away now imo ^

Paul Nolan has Joncol wrapped up in cotton wool so unlikely we'll see him imo.

Weird Al did nothing wrong in his novice campaign, interesting to see how he goes but I can't have him as it stands

downallstar     22 Apr 10 10:03 
Gold Cup is coming back to Ireland imo ;\
Pandorama, Joncol & Weapons fighting out the finish.

also - re read my last post ffs.

fft - they have been keeping him for one thing! The 2011 GC!! He's gonna have filled out that frame well by now, and with KS and Denman the wrong side of 10, well...

My thinking entirely, but NJH as a wealth of staying horses.

Reckon Long Run might go for the Ryanair and go Gold Cup 2012.
Punchestowns only one option for me, and i'm going to keep a bit of faith with him as his RSA run was not him at all (down to poor prep?)
Burton Port I can see being aimed for the Betfair Bowl

I reckon Long Run is made for one race next season - the King George!!
I'd say he'll go the GC route and Punchestowns the Ryanair.

Joncol is my only decent punt FFT- believe they av to run him this year, cant keep him at home any longer

Weird Al impressed me last year and at 50+;55 threw a few bob on with a few of the main GC contenders gettin on in years

Sanctuaire in de CH - really like him - backed bits here and there between 44/65- obviously has to improve a lot but was highly impressed at Chelt with him and wil forgive him not finishin de race off at Aintree after travellin like de winner al over - stil a young horse and can hopefully improve enough to be competitive, with Celestial goin over fences, PN needs a CH contender
Have a bit on Barizan too at 75

World hurdle, who knows with BB +; Quevega

Soldatino       130       €1.88       €242.52
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Will top up a bit more durin de summer- Refusin to take anythin under 130 tho layers [>o]

Im blamin ben if he gets beat

Yeah downy KG all over for Long Run, but still think King Kauto will own them all once more

He's still a young horse so somehow I think they'll go Ryanair at Chelts with him and wait a year for the Gold Cup, although he'd have a fair chance in the Queen Mother imo!

That would leave Punchy and Mad Max as GC horses, it all makes sense now

BJG, fair point about Joncol, but there was no reason why he shouldn't have come over this year suppose that's factored into the price

Would like to see how good Weird Al is against the more experienced campaigners first. Mark of 152 looks very fair so possibly in a handicap first? PP/Hennessey?

does punchy jump well enough to win a gold cup?also imo it wont ever stay 3m2 well enough.madmax i cant have ans see bp as his gold cup horse,tho ,not sure if its good enough..im pretty sure your right about ks and denman,in fact ive a sneaky feeling pn gcup horse maybe bbucks or a dark one which was injured early last season.goodluck

Don't think you can count Carruthers, Planet of Sound or What A friend out of Gold Cup picture either.

Ultimately they're all likely to come up a little short but Carruthers ran decent races at Cheltenham and Aintree and is still only 7 so arguably has improvement in him.

Gold Cup promises to have more strength in depth next year even if the superstars are on the wane.

Can't see why Carruthers is more than twice Cooldine's price (Cooldine a year older) except Cooldine is trained by Willie Mullins

Not read all this thread but surely Pride of Dulcote could well have an interesting season. He was Nicholls No 1 RSA horse at one stage I believe and he an has performed at the Festival well just behind Weapons. He has potential.

Or is he injured and out?

jan vermeer triumph hurdle winner imo [smiley:crazy]

Down... you keep backing Joncol and we'll see who'll have the last laugh [;)]

[;)]
Looking fwd to seeing TL.

Michel le Bon Hennessey cert

neill.........shhh

Bad news if your looking for a pub showing racing
in Cheltenham
The management of the Restoration have overhauled the pub
Now called the old restoration
And
No tvs
Just a pub selling BEER

What a tragedy!!!!!!!!!!!

Gayers

Bring it on, Rthe flat sucks arse

If ye had to pick a horse to back in each of the 4 big races now at the current prices who wud they be

Hurricane Fly, Captain Cee Bee, Quevega & Joncol

CH-Sanctuaire
GC-Joncol
WH-Soldantino
CC-Sizing Europe


Really think Sanctuaire is a massive price for the Ch [:x]

Peddlers Cross / Bino
Tataniano / Sizing Europe
Big Buck's
Weird Al

Peddlers Cross
Sizing Europe
Big Bucks
Imperial Commander
£9 yankee already placed[smiley:crazy][smiley:crazy]

big bucks .g.c.bino.ch.quevega w.h.g and s c.c..

./

Any news of Pride of Dulcote?If Nicholls has him back to his best after injury I think he may will play a big part in the Gold Cup picture

River liane- ryanair chase
Forpadydeplasterer- Queen mother
Son amix- Champion hurdle

Wot u reckon?????

Kerryman Nap imo ^ [;)]

haha u got me....hup the kingdom and tom cooper carrying the green and gold to success!!!

the way to get rich bac masterminded 5-1 most bookies and on day will be evens then lay for a no lose bet easy! niccolls will get the horse right this season after problems last one the horse is a massive frame of a horse and youth on its side and very smart horse think it with race in a gd number races before cheltham and win for top trainer and hense price drop very fast to evens then could lay for profit

the way to get rich bac masterminded 5-1 most bookies and on day will be evens then lay for a no lose bet easy! niccolls will get the horse right this season after problems last one the horse is a massive frame of a horse and youth on its side and very smart horse think it with race in a gd number races before cheltham and win for top trainer and hense price drop very fast to evens then could lay for profit

the way to get rich bac masterminded 5-1 most bookies and on day will be evens then lay for a no lose bet easy! niccolls will get the horse right this season after problems last one the horse is a massive frame of a horse and youth on its side and very smart horse think it with race in a gd number races before cheltham and win for top trainer and hense price drop very fast to evens then could lay for profit

the way to get rich bac masterminded 5-1 most bookies and on day will be evens then lay for a no lose bet easy! niccolls will get the horse right this season after problems last one the horse is a massive frame of a horse and youth on its side and very smart horse think it with race in a gd number races before cheltham and win for top trainer and hense price drop very fast to evens then could lay for profit

Im sorry i didnt quiet get that could u repeat

Forpady may go Gold Cup Route,if as trainer states goes for King George.
Would be interesting up in trip and huge price for Gold Cup if does?
Big if though,think Ryan-air his race next year?

was at chelt last year and talked to 1 of the owners and he said McCoy got off and said this horse will win the melling chase and then the ryanair next year..

2nd in melling chase after, think queen mother is off the agenda

For all his seconditis. Paddy is a remarkably consistent horse and I think he will have his day agree Gold Cup trip if he gets it could be the making of him.

Forpady to me didn't stay at Aintree. looked all over Albertas at one point, who we know stays further

Might be hard to find a race for Forpady this year imo

LAST season's Weatherbys Champion Bumper winner Cue Card has returned to Colin Tizzard's yard and is set to start training for a novice hurdling campaign.

The four-year-old demolished his rivals by eight lengths on only his second career start at the Cheltenham Festival, and Tizzard reported on Monday: "We had him back three weeks ago and he'll have his first canter on Saturday morning."

Asked about plans for the season, Tizzard told At The Races: "We always thought he was nice, he's only just four and will have three novice hurdle races before Christmas and then we'll take a view as to how high we aim.

"He's got plenty of pace and you can't question his bumper form."

Cue Card

Amazed to see that JP hasn't bought him tbh

Forpady does stay and will stay, fft is a dc.
Wins the King George imo.

^ dough peek hunt

GMOOH for CH - prices on here too big imo.

Im thinkin of havin a pop too Facts, very worried they'd go the Arkle route though with Bino in the CH

Will wait a while to get involved with him yet

Anyone think its a bit early to right off Weapons amnesty just yet. Seemed everyone wrote off binocular too early when it was apparently injured!

yard got form for Lazarus like comebacks ain't they?

Why is Carruthers twice the price of Diamond Harry for Gold Cup with S1d James? Unfathomable, imo.

Kalahari king is one to keep an eye on next season after an injury interrupted season, would like to see him go for king george

anyone know what's happening with taranis this season?

Think Knockara Beau may get a tilt at gold cup along with Tidal Bay, and if pumpkin gets any setbacks with the usual gold cup crew maybe even Big Bucks will get a gold cup call up, all 3 worth a small investment at current prices.

Anyone giving Dunguib another chance? I cant help picturing his bumper win.

Donald McCain is aiming Peddlers Cross at the CH but is he better than Overturn at the trip? I think that the last 2 CH runnings have been very average and that there could be few newcomers in contention this time. Can't see Dunguib though.

cant have dunguib for champion hurdle, he is officailly rated 149 so has to improve a stone at to be considered a real contender, was put in his place at punchestown and finished along side the other novice ronaldo des mottes so seems his rating is about right, think could be worth a chance trying fences with him

Defo staying over hurdles



Allegedly

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Donald McCain is aiming Peddlers Cross at the CH but is he better than Overturn at the trip? I think that the last 2 CH runnings have been very average and that there could be few newcomers in contention this time. Can't see Dunguib though. 


Apparantly McCain says PC has the beating of Overturn

I note Champion chase day been designated

LADIES DAY

OMG

Advance tatts is now £32(up £2 from last year
But for under 25 only £25

Duguib over fences = no no no Dunguib on the flat = yes yes yes..I lost so much money on this hype machine..I was one of the many that thought the sun shone out of this fellas arse..Can see him picking up a few mickey mouse races in Ireland hard on the bridle..Then coming to England and getting exposed as a plodder once again..

Any of you guys have a view on Secant Star this horse looked like he had no brains but a real engine in his few starts last season..Mullins is sure to aim him at Cheltenham..1 to follow for me this year..

ladies day at cheltenham was world hurdle day this year and it really made all the difference(tongue firmly in my cheek here people)....on another note i've been looking through the champion hurdle and have had a few nibbles at general miller at 100+ odds on here.
went unbeaten in his bumper days then first start over hurdles won over c/d showing signs of inexperience and potential for vast improvement imo,tried 2m 4f around cheltenham nto when he travelled very well throughout on ground that looked a bit worse than the soft as given by the clerk of the course on the day,he eventually got outstayed by restless harry(ran well in the albett bartlett when falling at the last then winning with ease in a grade 2 over 2m5f around cheltenham which wasnt the strongest of races but showed him to be a 3m hurdler who would always get the better of a 2m horse on soft ground over extended trips)
unseated his rider at the first in the supreme novice at the festival where i fancied him to go a lot closer than his 25/1 odds implied,then went to aintree and beat the supreme winner at a track i thought wouldnt suit him as well as the runner up who may have still been feeling the effects of his cheltenham efforts..onto the punchestown festival next when he never travelled at any point in the race when possibly ott the for season.
offically rated 146 for last year i believe he can improve upon that this term and henderson isnt adverse to running a few in the champion hurdle and to me he doesnt look the type to go novice chasing with at this point in his career,sure to avoid his champion stablemate he may go a similar route to sentry duty(top handicaps) but cant say i've studied the list of potential races he may be targetted at yet as ascot may not suit(seems to have been kept to left handed tracks since tackling obsticles but his hurdling has looked fine to me)
so for me he is overpriced on here unless someone already knows he wont be sticking to hurdles for the forthcoming season and could be a live chance if improving upon last season and taking a couple of scalps during the first half of the year(october/december)
any views anyone.??

Gut, i think at the prices u have found a good selection there m8 but like u said be nice to know if henderson sticks to hurdles with him as i think he will go chaseing looks a big long horse who will be better suited to fences imo but at 100s worth throwing couple of quid at the price for champ hurdle just in case good luck

another horse in race at big odds i like m8 is Mille Chief hasnt beaten much so far an had injury before chelt so been put away horse still young an think will stay over hurdles for now but needs to improve a bit but at 60s not bad price in which could be a strange year for the champion as i can see a few of the older horses go chaseing e.g punjabi,celestial halo and the likes of medemit and GMOOH going for arkle etc if u take binn out of race looks wide open to me

Cheltenham Festival News
Cue Card Back In Training After Champion Bumper Victory.
One of the most impressive winners of the 2010 Cheltenham Festival was the fantastic Cue Card who simply bolted up to claim the Champion Bumper, he was a long priced winner for Colin Tizzard at the time but has now been tipped for big things in 2011. He will take the usual course of going Novice Hurdling in the Autumn with Tizzard hoping to get three or four runs into him before Christmas, his performances in those races will determine his path in the new year with a potential crack at the Supreme Novices Hurdle the long term aim. The bookmakers are certainly impressed with him and at this early ante-post stage he is the favourite to win the Supreme Novices, which as always will be the opening race of the Festival in March.

All plans for the season suspended for Bensalem after suffering pneumonia and pleurisy after a bout of travel sickness.


How unlucky is that hoss, FFT wil be very angry imo

Its early days yet and I've noted that McCain is seriously considering aiming PEDDLERS CROSS for the Champion Hurdle. Now I love this horse (it was one of my biggest winners at the Festival) and last season, McCain was saying he was going chasing with it in 2010-11. After it won the Neptune, I thought that the horse could become a serious challenger to Big Bucks in the World Hurdle. There are going to be a lot of changes in the hurdling ranks this season, with most hurdlers being outclassed by either Big Bucks or Binocular (depending on which trip they run at).  The Neptune was won in a time 2.23 secs quicker than the Coral Cup over C&D on the same card. PEDDLERS CROSS, to me, looks an exceptional talent. Given that he's just a 5yo and was having just his 3rd hurdle race when winning the Neptune (thereby defying the stat that 20 of the previous 23 winners had run in at least 3 hurdle races). I reckon he could take-on and beat Big Bucks. But will we see that? For me, the jury is out with Denman, and who knows - this may be the season when age starts to take its toll on the great Kauto Star. I would not be surprised to see Nicholls try Big Bucks over fences again and send him for the GC next March.
Another thing about BIG BUCKS is the rating he achieved in the World Hurdle. Buena Vista was given a rating of RPR143 for his win at Cheltenham, 31lbs below the RPR174 rating given to Big Bucks for winning the World Hurdle on the same card over the same C&D, yet Buena Vista ran his race 0.30 secs quicker! There was 23lb between them (BV carrying 10:1 and BB carrying 11:10.
So, by my reckoning, if Buena Vista’s rating is correct at RPR143 then Big Bucks ran to RPR165 and not 174. Its a minor thing, but it puts Big Bucks within striking distance of Peddlers Cross given nominal improvement.
I would have to see Peddlers Cross run a top-level over 2-mile before considering his chances in the Champion Hurdle.

Nobody dreams of owning a 3mile hurdler. The World Hurdle is the poor relation of the 4 feature races. I think they'd give Peddlers every possible opportunity to show himself as a 2m contender before they think of trying 3m. It's not like he's a slow horse.

Interesting Wayward, i wanted to see PC run in the supreme last yr (who can argue they got the wrong race though, the way he screamed up the hill in the neptune), and would love to see him over 2. I happen to think, however, that BB is unbeatable and only just does enough. I think the higher rating he achieved the yr before is well within his compass again, given the right conditions, and dont think anything can beat him over the stayers trip/track - except in a tactical affair, or if something is good enough to be waited with, and try and pick him off after the last (i doubt anything is good enough to do that). However, as for BB going over the larger obstacles, although people keep saying it wont happen, it is the back of my mind that it will (i've even backed it for the GC this yr, small stakes), leaving the door open for Peddlars in the stayers division (surely the Webber horse will go over fences this yr).

French Opera my ante-post fancy for Queen Mother, especially if jumping continue's to improve.

Despite previous jumping flaws, has done very well at Cheltenham.


I asked Betfair to add French Opera to the market back in May, so would be one of my better antepost selections if this comes off!!

peddlers should defo be aimed at the champion hurdle. i dont want him getting in the way of sang bleu over the bigger obstacles. dont think any horse is capable of challenging big bucks. i enjoy watching staying races more than 2 mile races but cant wait to see tataniano jump the railway fences if he runs in the tingle creek a birilliant jumper he is and he should be a serious contender for the champion chase

Disappointed with Bensalem naturally but that's the way it goes some times. Don't think he's quite grade 1 material over fences or hurdles but undoubtedly a very well handicapped horse on his chase form.


I guess now i'm most looking forward to seeing Peddler's Cross back in action

Id be very surprised if Tataniano was to turn up at the Tingle Creek as good ground seems to be cruical to him.

Probably an autumn and spring campaign would be my guess.

Think you are spot on Wayward

With regard to BB, think he s certainly beatable, and will be challenged for his crown in March - we ll see!

Bring on March [>o]

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Far From Trouble02 Sep 10 22:12

Celestial Halo is the lay of the year for the Arkle and i for one will be filling my boots laying throughout the winter

[>o]

me3
Albertas run in the gold cup and Time for Rupert in the world hurdle are my two early dabbles

I think there will be a number of horses who will use the WH as a backup plan. Think a few horses will start aiming for the CH and if not good enough might try stamina for WH rather than attempting to go for The Arkle.

the neptune looks to be the race to take horses from for this season with peddlers cross having the national hunt world at his feet(champion hurdle/arkle/world hurdle/rsa all viable options)reve de sivola(world hurdle imo)rites of passage(melborne cup/champion hurdle?) and manyriverstocross/some present/summit meeting/ghizao/quel esprit/finians rainbow and hollo ladies all looking like they can pick up good prizes over the next few years.
for what its worth i'd love to see peddlers go the 2 mile route as he still has many years ahead of him for chasing and could well prove himself good enough to mix it with the current crop of top 2 milers after only 4 runs culmulating in the cheltenham/aintree double which is not only hard to do but shows he has real heart for racing....cant wait for the season to kick off properly :)

Peddlers Cross, knocking bet at 16+, will be half the odds when cofirmed staying over hurdles. When you look in cold light of day you have achoice of Binocular, Solwhit (who can be excused last year as was injured and out of the race a week and a bit before) or one of the novices and best of the novices is Peddlers Cross!

Solwhit not going there.

Well done stu b!