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Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 7:09 PM BST
Can we have a Sandown thread for some proper racing please?
Report Benjy April 22, 2010 7:10 PM BST
Gone in big on Punjabi now. Maybe too big I'm thinking now. Horse owes me quite a bit.

Nothing on the rest of the card for me.
Report grade 1 April 22, 2010 7:13 PM BST
Punjabi owes me nought :).Will Barry G be back.
Report Benjy April 22, 2010 7:14 PM BST
Fvckin hope so actually.
Report CVByrne April 22, 2010 7:17 PM BST
HURRICANE FLY.

Visualise my celebrations on course if he wins lads.
Report CVByrne April 22, 2010 7:37 PM BST
What Chew think of Foineagas? Wait for Dunguib to run before investing or go early? If Luska likes the good ground he will take one helluva beating imo
Report enjbenjy April 22, 2010 7:42 PM BST
Ground should suit Punjabi best. Last run at Cheltenham a bit worrying as he normally runs well there.
Report downallstar April 22, 2010 7:50 PM BST
Punjabi - CD form 1,1,2
Good & 16f - 1,2,1,1,F - the last four all G1's - the 2 wins over this Cd, the fall was when up close in the Xmas hurdle.
His season has been poor, but 13/2 ew is tempting.
Report Benjy April 22, 2010 7:52 PM BST
More than tempting. Should be favourite imo.

Ronaldo Des Mottes the only danger.
Report Charlton2005 April 22, 2010 7:52 PM BST
Laying Dunguib and Hurricane Fly, both E/W

GL all
Report CVByrne April 22, 2010 7:53 PM BST
das can you see him out of the first 3 if he's fully fit and given the ground? Barry G seems to think he's spot on.

I'm on HF and Ronaldo e/w and I love Punjabi but can't go triple handed. But he'd be my pick if HF wasn't fit. Wasn't fav last year because of ground and lost by a nose.
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 7:55 PM BST
If he didn't have such a good record at this meeting, i'd be plaice laying the slow old boat.
Report CVByrne April 22, 2010 7:55 PM BST
I hope you lose big style C2 on the Fly :p You've given him grief all year.

Anyway see Ruby talk about him there at the end on RTE?
Report Charlton2005 April 22, 2010 7:56 PM BST
GL CV :)

You going to be there?
Report downallstar April 22, 2010 7:56 PM BST
Cv - am gonna go throw the hole race over the next hr, will post my thoughts then :p
Report Charlton2005 April 22, 2010 8:06 PM BST
Dunguib, going, going....
Report Charlton2005 April 22, 2010 8:09 PM BST
What price would Menorah be in this race? 7/2 Dunguib, Jaysus Christ.
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 8:12 PM BST
really fancy Hurricane Fly too CV.

Trainer/jockey combo done me a few favours this week!

Already backed Dunguib, regretting it a bit tbh, but going in on the Fly.

have a good day tomorrow mate.
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 8:13 PM BST
been waiting for Askthemaster to run for a while, tomorrow could be his day and could be a big price.
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 8:20 PM BST
ok, talking to myself here ;\ :|

platinni - will you be backing Arvika again tomorrow, big eyecatcher at Chelt before getting tired, tomorrows ground, trip should suit......
Report Viva Pataca April 22, 2010 8:21 PM BST
What did Ruby say, CV?
Report platinni April 22, 2010 8:27 PM BST
not at the fc prices td
Report nibbledat April 22, 2010 8:31 PM BST
seriously cant have HF or punjabi
Report grade 1 April 22, 2010 8:32 PM BST
at any price nibb ?
Report platinni April 22, 2010 8:35 PM BST
VLV working the house down allegedly :|

im sticking with the fly
Report nibbledat April 22, 2010 8:35 PM BST
the layoff for HF is the worry and punjabi looked lost lto
Report Charlton2005 April 22, 2010 8:36 PM BST
Plat, the fly, really?? Whats your angle?
Report platinni April 22, 2010 8:36 PM BST
quevega ran shiite after a layoff at chelt :|
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 8:38 PM BST
layoff doesn't put me off at all, you see horses bolting up after even longer layoffs all the time
Report nibbledat April 22, 2010 8:39 PM BST
in a race of this nature and the trends back it up but each horse is different
Report enjbenjy April 22, 2010 8:41 PM BST
There looks to be doubts about all the horses in that race. Leaving well alone.
Report downallstar April 22, 2010 8:41 PM BST
De Valira - hard to believe he's still only an 8yo, never quite made it to the top and is easily over looked here.

Dunguib - was unlucky in the Supreme being too far of the pace, had to run a race to get into the race. Trainer seems happy to let him go on the ground, and being a Presenting it really shouldn't be an excuse. Think he'll def be involved at the end, but I cannot be backing him at 100/30.

Hurricane Fly - how fit is he? Willie got Quevega to win at Chelt fto after nearly 300days off and has had 7 winners so far this week. Won his mdn here on quick ground, won the G1 novices here on the steel last year, if all is well he takes all the beating.

Medermit - the stable have had a torrid year, may want it softer. Easily passed on.

Muirhead - ran well to finish 2nd at Aintree, but is a moody horse and the stable are in gash form. Will probably travel very well but be found wanting.

Punjabi - loves the course - 1,1,2 here over the Cd. Form on Good over 16f - 1,2,1,1,F. He does look a big ew price at around 13/2, but his form has been poor and the stable have not fired here this week. Reluctantly passed.

Ronoldo Des Mottes - his form of the 2nd to GMOOH in the TGT reads very well, but all his form is on soft or heavy, and its hard to see him being good enough in a hot renewal.

Solwhit - Probably should have stayed at home and kept him fresh for this as opposed to taking in the CH with a less than 100% horse. Meets entirely faster ground than when winning this last year. Hard to write him off though.

Thousand Stars - County Hurdle winner, will handle the ground, but looks out of his depth.

Won In The Dark - ran on well over to stay on 4th behind Khyber Kim at Aintree, that trip looked too far for WITD, but it was the first time he'd encountered Good ground since winning the G1 4yo race here in 2008! His form on Good over 16f reads - 1,1,1. He has been well placed to win a couple of races this term, and on his best form he wouldn't have a lot to find to be involved here, worth a small ew @33/1.

Voler La Vedette - ran well on in the Mares race at Chelt, just looked to be out stayed after running too free. Has good form around here, and being by Kings Theatre the ground should not inconvenience. A strong pace would suit. if she settles she has a chance.
Report downallstar April 22, 2010 8:42 PM BST
De Valira - hard to believe he's still only an 8yo, never quite made it to the top and is easily over looked here.

Dunguib - was unlucky in the Supreme being too far of the pace, had to run a race to get into the race. Trainer seems happy to let him go on the ground, and being a Presenting it really shouldn't be an excuse. Think he'll def be involved at the end, but I cannot be backing him at 100/30.

Hurricane Fly - how fit is he? Willie got Quevega to win at Chelt fto after nearly 300days off and has had 7 winners so far this week. Won his mdn here on quick ground, won the G1 novices here on the steel last year, if all is well he takes all the beating.

Medermit - the stable have had a torrid year, may want it softer. Easily passed on.

Muirhead - ran well to finish 2nd at Aintree, but is a moody horse and the stable are in gash form. Will probably travel very well but be found wanting.

Punjabi - loves the course - 1,1,2 here over the Cd. Form on Good over 16f - 1,2,1,1,F. He does look a big ew price at around 13/2, but his form has been poor and the stable have not fired here this week. Reluctantly passed.

Ronoldo Des Mottes - his form of the 2nd to GMOOH in the TGT reads very well, but all his form is on soft or heavy, and its hard to see him being good enough in a hot renewal.

Solwhit - Probably should have stayed at home and kept him fresh for this as opposed to taking in the CH with a less than 100% horse. Meets entirely faster ground than when winning this last year. Hard to write him off though.

Thousand Stars - County Hurdle winner, will handle the ground, but looks out of his depth.

Won In The Dark - ran on well over to stay on 4th behind Khyber Kim at Aintree, that trip looked too far for WITD, but it was the first time he'd encountered Good ground since winning the G1 4yo race here in 2008! His form on Good over 16f reads - 1,1,1. He has been well placed to win a couple of races this term, and on his best form he wouldn't have a lot to find to be involved here, worth a small ew @33/1.

Voler La Vedette - ran well on in the Mares race at Chelt, just looked to be out stayed after running too free. Has good form around here, and being by Kings Theatre the ground should not inconvenience. A strong pace would suit. if she settles she has a chance.
Report turnip turns April 22, 2010 8:43 PM BST
dc
Report grade 1 April 22, 2010 8:43 PM BST
punjabi could be finnish but had wind op, light campaign and has course and ground form. HF my idea of winner but at the prices..
Report nibbledat April 22, 2010 8:44 PM BST
agree with won in the dark and worth a poke at the prices
Report downallstar April 22, 2010 8:47 PM BST
Witd ew is def a play for me.
Have changed my mind a few times between HF and VLV, Plat's comments have not helped. :^0
Report grade 1 April 22, 2010 8:49 PM BST
reverse forecast DAS :)...and savers on punjabi/WOTD for gayers.
Report nibbledat April 22, 2010 8:50 PM BST
All 11 winners had their last race within the last 2 months
10 of the last 11 winners had run 4 or more times that season
Report EastLower Gooner April 22, 2010 8:51 PM BST
DUNGUIB will sort out these mofos imo.

eyecatching ;-) run in the supremes...time for the step up.
Report Charlton2005 April 22, 2010 8:52 PM BST
Plat, what's your angle on HF?

Last years victory at this meet came against trees and that is being barely respectful to trees, best form seems the win over GN, thats at a different track on Soft ground. A stone inferior to Solwhit and behind at least 6 or 7 others on pure ratings. Incredible that he is not the most overrated in the race but that goes to the fav who is a further 2 lbs behind!

A place lay if ever I have seen one.
Report turnip turns April 22, 2010 8:53 PM BST
nibbledat 22 Apr 20:50
All 11 winners had their last race within the last 2 months
10 of the last 11 winners had run 4 or more times that season,
all the previous winners had oats for breakfast.

;\
Report Charlton2005 April 22, 2010 8:53 PM BST
ELG, you been on the sauce??!!

:)
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 8:57 PM BST
Charlton2005 22 Apr 20:52

Plat, what's your angle on HF?

Last years victory at this meet came against trees and that is being barely respectful to trees, best form seems the win over GN, thats at a different track on Soft ground. A stone inferior to Solwhit and behind at least 6 or 7 others on pure ratings. Incredible that he is not the most overrated in the race but that goes to the fav who is a further 2 lbs behind!


Supreme Novices, Fighting Fifth and Xmas Hurdle winner Go Native?
Report Teddy Sheringham April 22, 2010 8:59 PM BST
on soft ground that race, im taking on the fly but he is trained by a master who knows imo
Report platinni April 22, 2010 8:59 PM BST
fair enough c2, no smoke without fire imo about this horse ;) but can see where youre coming from
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 9:00 PM BST
has won on Good To Firm as well Ted.
Report Benjy April 22, 2010 9:01 PM BST
But Go Native is a lot better when the ground is good. Nowhere near his best when behind HF here last year.
Report Charlton2005 April 22, 2010 9:02 PM BST
no smoke without fire imo about this horse

I was hoping this was your angle Plat!!

In the long run there are a lot less fires than one would think!

GL either way

:)
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 9:03 PM BST
Yeah I know Benjy, but I was saying he's hardly a tree is he?
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 9:05 PM BST
turnip turns 22 Apr 20:53

nibbledat 22 Apr 20:50
All 11 winners had their last race within the last 2 months
10 of the last 11 winners had run 4 or more times that season,
all the previous winners had oats for breakfast.


tt ydc :^0
Report turnip turns April 22, 2010 9:06 PM BST
;\
Report Benjy April 22, 2010 9:06 PM BST
On soft ground he's not far off a tree to be fair.

Hurricane Fly is fresh out of egg and spoon races and hasn't run for 6 months. Not sure why you want to take a short price but GL.

It could be worse I suppose, you could be backing Dunguib.
Report nibbledat April 22, 2010 9:06 PM BST
tt reported
Report Charlton2005 April 22, 2010 9:07 PM BST
Low blow Benjy

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 9:09 PM BST
It could be worse I suppose, I could have agreed to do a bet with someone, but when it lost, decided not to pay.
Report Benjy April 22, 2010 9:10 PM BST
:^0 good to see you took that well ;)
Report TD_Gunner April 22, 2010 9:10 PM BST
;)
Report downallstar April 22, 2010 9:13 PM BST
Plat - you backing Arvika tomorrow iyo?
An between two others in that race - Dr Whizz & Mr Cracker. Thoughts? Ta.
Report nibbledat April 22, 2010 9:14 PM BST
TD_Gunner 22 Apr 20:20
ok, talking to myself here ;\ :|

platinni - will you be backing Arvika again tomorrow, big eyecatcher at Chelt before getting tired, tomorrows ground, trip should suit......



Viva Pataca 22 Apr 20:21
What did Ruby say, CV?



platinni 22 Apr 20:27
not at the fc prices td

keep up ydc
Report downallstar April 22, 2010 9:16 PM BST
Ta Nibb ;\
Report Prospero April 22, 2010 9:27 PM BST
Champion Hurdle looks between Voler La Vedette and Hurricane Fly. Dunguib might the second coming but his Supreme defeat suggests he isn't and should be at least twice the price he is currently on known form. Training performance of the year needed to get Solwhit back to form for this after his hard season and LTO effort. Punjabi not the horse he was and his form with Medermit suggests neither are anything special in the context of this year's hurdlers.
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