Black Apalachi- Aintree National

simon

Why exactly? Your brand of logic excites me. This 'gonzo' racing journalism is the future imo.

dont have to a writer to know how to pick a national winner

Can't have Kelami at all. French bred, fell on penultimate start, has only won a 6 runner hurdle race in last 3 years.

follow one simple rule in the national no horse in the last 50 years plus has finished worse than 7th on his prep run and won the national

Ah, pin sticking, perhaps this is the way forward maiaze. Your contributions are immense. You are truly a behemoth in the world on National punting.

No French bred has won in 140 years.

won 4 grand of rough quest 6 grand minnehoma 4 grand mr frisk 5 grand red marrauder 7 and half party politics 4 silver birch 5 grand bobbyjo 9 grand pappion i know my nationals so listen or not

Mai - you are obviously JP McManus in disguise!

just saying at a price kelami a better horse than ba but for me simon the winner allthough i have backed comply or die at 50s and chelsea harbour to

I don't doubt your amazing strike rate. I am the proverbial Mary Magdelene when it comes to you, whereas I smell more than one Thomas lurking about. These feats are astounding. Do you have a tipping line I could call? Or perhaps some sort of online subscription service?

I can see the headlines...

...maiaze continues to a-maiaze...bookies a-maiazed at bumper payout...a-maiaze-ing run continues...

I actually think Simon is the likely winner to be honest

Yes, Tom Mullins is a great trainer alright. He always campaigns his horses superbly.

cap juluca, surely clan royal was a moral but for liam cooper, or do you ignore stuff like that?

theresbeenagoal

I backed Clan Royal, without being aware of the poor record of french breds at the time. I was there to see him that day and was totally gutted. Even though I would love to believe that he lost entirely because of Liam Cooper's ineptitude in dropping the whip and then allowing the horse to almost take the wrong course, I don't think its a foregone conclusion that he would have won. He was absolutely legless coming up the run-in. Even if I'm wrong, and he would have won despite those factors, it doesn;t alter the fact that french breds have a very poor record. So, no, I don't ignore these things.

fair enough, i haven't done the stats so i don't know how many runners, average price, etc, just when i get told 'french breds haven't won it since blah blah,' i think clan royal would have given half a ride so that statement's not that relevant.

I guess it wouldn't be the biggest surprise in the world if the trend were broken at some point. Any follower of trends has to be prepared for that and some of the Cheltenham results are a case in point. Times and trends change, don't they, (for instance it always used to be wise to avoid the irish trained horses until the late 90's and what happens - 6 of nine subsequent winners were Irish trained) but imo the percentage call has to be to take heed of the trend and bet accordingly in the meantime, and one french bred near miss - whether unfortunate or not - isn't persuasive enough for me

The man that started this thread knows nothing about racing. He only started this thread because he latches onto certain horses trained by certain individuals (or used to be trained by certain individuals, in this case) and follows their careers through.

If he was asked for an appraisal of the likely opposition to Black Apalachi he'd be struck numb. And if he wants to prove me otherwise, let loose, with both barrels, please. (This could be a long wait)

What makes his argument even more laughable is the fact he's a poncey student, of age (roughly) 22.

He really is a sad, deluded, stain on humanity.

Cue a condescending response. Good luck with that experiment, you barely pubescent pot of tss.

hahahahahahhahahahhaah that was so funny

Will Roger be on board ?

i would guess galwaymans age to be about 38

i would guess galwaymans age to be about 38

Sad that someone cant voicen an opinion without some halfwit knocking him down!! - not what I expect from this forum!!

galwayman has been extremely unpleasant to me on other threads for no reason and is a bitter and twisted forum bully. i have no sympathy if others wish to castigate him im afraid.

Looks like he will get in.

BA seems a bit paceless - he just doesn't have the class for a national. The comparisons with Silver Birch aren't valid as he was a 140+ horse with Nichols. BA seems to be in the 125-135 bracket which is a class division too low

6" on the slack 30 Mar 04:03


The man that started this thread knows nothing about racing. He only started this thread because he latches onto certain horses trained by certain individuals (or used to be trained by certain individuals, in this case) and follows their careers through.

Can you explain what you mean by this please?


I have not been on for a few days, apologies for the late response. You seem to know who I am, and you are content to** me off, which from your anonymous position is quite easy. Feel free to approach me at the races any time and I will debate any point of racing you like with you. I do not recognise your forum handle, but I seem to have offended you greatly. Perhaps you are a reincarnation of someone else? The style and personal nature of the post is familiar.

And to be fair mythical, you draw a lot of that on yourself with some of the rubbish you post. Plus you do not ever seem to stick to your guns or have any real idea of what you are talking about.

and you do? admit it m8- your a nasty piece of work.

by the way m8 i'd be quite happy 2 approach you in real life- not sure you'd be quite so**y when youre not sat safe behind your comp.

C'mon folks, chill out.

im not really a very nice person at times, i wish i could curb my temper more, especially when people cross me or insult me for no reason. but luckily for you galwayloser the chances of me bumping in2 u in real life are about as likely as black appalachi winning the grand national.

face it if im a hopeless tipster you are much, much worse.. ;)

As the time draws nearer, my confidence remains undiminished.

black apalachi appsolutley no chance

Yet more deeply insightful comment from the forums' most a-maiaze-ing tipster.

its like someone tipping contraband what more can you say other than open your f u ckin eyes the horse has no chance

Oh he has a chance alright. An excellent chance. You Sir, lack insight. I feel that your personal loathing for myself is clouding your judgment with regard to this horse. Pity, as you have outlined your a-maiaze-ing National strikerate above. It is a shame that BA will leave you with egg on your face.

It is as Lichtenberg said: 'One's first step in wisdom is to question everything - and one's last is to come to terms with everything.'

Perhaps you have taken the first step. The next is right in front of you...

lunatic

doesnt this horse need a bog?

My man assures me that the horses preference for soft ground will not be an issue over this trip... onwards and upwards followers...

your man is that your boyfriend

thegalwayman 24 Mar 21:42
The ground is my major concern. He will want soft at least.

thegalwayman 25 Mar 21:38
BA is definitely going for the race and will hopefully get in. He most definitely needs at least soft ground.

g/f, good, soft, heavy - all the same ain't it :p

Yes you have picked up on an inconsistency there Academic Rambler, and I salute you for it. For a place wich claims to specialise in 'sharp minds' there is not oo many on this thread.

I thought he would need soft. When I grew concerned that this would not be the case, I phoned my man on the inside to see what he thought. He advised me that the ground will not be an issue for the horse over this trip, and pointed me to his kim muir run as evidence that he can act on this going. I trust this man implicitly, for he is wise.

Confidence undented, we shall proceed.

I hope you don't write your essays in the style you write on here!!

He also did okay in the PP Chase at Leop; doubtful stayer for me and not well handicapped but gl with it.

It has a good chance at a massive price for me. Wouldnt surprise me to see valuescope tip it up in the morning. For those who think its got no chance, I bet you wouldnt have given slim pickings a chance last year and it ran ok didnt it!

hope it doesnt place :^0

Mythical, why do u hope he doesnt place? Just because someone has put across a point that u fail to comprehend? The pionts raised are all fair and at the price he is a good bet.

Out of interest who are you backing for the national? and if you'd like to ellaborate your reasons for your selection as apposed to sticking-a-pin in the line-up for it

hope it doesnt place because galwaymoron is so far stuck up his own backside, and extremely in love with himself and obnoxious to others, if only for those reasons ;)

wish all the best for connections, but i think it might be best to stick with horses that have proven fast ground form, for that reason i quite like butlers cabin, though i wouldnt put anyone off backing comply or die (although i would be concerned he might get outpaced) or mr pointment

good luck all (oops i forgot to add except for galwayman :^0 )

How do you know that the galwayman is not one of the horses connections??

Fair enough. The trend that I'm following is a recent one, in that only one horse (Hedgehunter) has carried more than 11st to win in the last 10 years. Think the race has changed in more recent times with the pace being less frantic and a lot more horses ridden to get home, i.e a lot more in connection jumping 3 out like last year. So shearly on this I'm discounting down as far as Mckelvey.

Takin jolly on with Point Barrow and Philson Run for what its worth

"how do you know that the galwayman is not one of the horses connections"

because its a fair bet that a someone living on a council estate in galway and claiming benefits doesnt own racehorses :^0

is point barrow a certain stayer? i know he shapes like one, but didnt he empty the only time he tried 4 miles plus?

sorry mythical but youd be on a loser there!

And yay he did bring the thread to the top, for though there were many doubters, thegalwayman and his followers were soon to feast on red meat and virgins as they toasted their great success.

Apalachi has to be backed at current prices particularly when you compare Chelsea Harbour's odds.

Absolutely lutterworth, the drift this morning is remarkable given that my impeccably placed sources have told me that he has travelled well, eaten up, and has a sporting chance.

i took 80s las night and thought that was good price but now130! how or why. i should go in again.

My attorney has advised me to go in again. His counsel is always wise. Tonight we feast. The spoils of victory shall be ours!

ive got it at 250, hope your right Galway man!

and yay his followers did rejoice once more as thegalwayman led them to the garden of abundance, where they toasted their victory with a feast of red meat, virgins, and the finest of wines.

I HOPE WE CAN FEAST TONIGHT. IM ON PHILSON RUN ASWELL BUT I HAVE BACKED BLACK APALACHI TO WIN TEN GRAND. IF HE WINS I WILL BE STRAIGHT OFF DOWN THE TRAVEL AGENT TO BOOK UP ANOTHER VEGAS TRIP. COME ON SON!

good luck jake

TX DRAGON

You are shrewd jake. I shall reserve 2 virgins for you.

ill havethewine!

HUST THE ONE VIRGIN THANKS BECAUSE I SHOULD LET DRAGON HAVE ONE TOO.

Mrsdragon will do for me, more experienced and knows what to do! mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

OK DRAON I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE YOU THE OFFER.

very kind jake maybe ill watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There shall be red meat, fine wine and virgins for all should this horse win.

Set a virgin aside for galway law. Be nice for him to crack his duck fore he heads off to Merica to experience other forms of sexual adventure.

good luck!
i think theres only 1 virgin left-anne whiticombe

Cannot see this winning the national in all fairness - best of luck to those who bet it to place possibly

Comply or Die is the bet for me, Mckelvey and Cloudy will be thereabouts i hope too

hahahahahahahahahaahahha mugs

well done on comply or die winner. twos up to this pompus clown for his tip falling.

Never in it.

get in comply or die :^0

Yes followers I have let you down... we never settled and the fall was a shame... onward and upward

COD - nicely done

what a looser

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Old threads never really die :D

hope you were on galway man i was :) on at 120-1 for next year. i knew it was agood horse my faith was duly paid todays

The handicapper will ensure that the horse has no chance in 2009.

Impossible to rate that race. Any guesses on how much it will be put up ? I would guess 10lbs.

Just watched the replay again and liked what I saw. If soft appears in the going he will be a serious player again even off his revised mark IMO.

TGM, I backed him heavily ew last year, and was disappointed he fell so early. The headgear is an issue, but the ground less so - his pedigree suggests to me he would be well-suited by a marathon trip, and those types tend to stay regardless of the ground. My major concern is that he will be clobbered by the 'Aintree' handicapper, which will ruin what was a decent mark. I wouldn't consider a bet until the weights are published, as I think you'll find he gets put up an enormous amount because of the Aintree factor - I guarantee he'll have more than 11-0 on the day, unless they decide to run Denman !

I reckon he will get a stone minimum

Good to see this fellow back the other day. Can he do the business at the third time of asking?

Ran well for a long way on Saturday

Ok gentlemen, third time is a charm! Again, I promise a bounty of wine and virgins for all of my followers when this fellow fulfils his destiny and emerges victorious tomorrow afternoon.

After posting on this thread about this horse for the last three Nationals (and a Becher!) he finally got round today. What a performance. Delighted for the horse and connections.

:D

Thread is 2+ years old isn't it?

great stuff tbf, if he had got round last year or the year before, I wonder if he'd have won ;\

The thread is from before he ran in his first national. I think he would have won last year and I think Denis O'Regan knows it too! Top bombing from you today.

Back for another tilt at the virgins... sadly Phil Smith has done us no favours... but hope srpings eternal!

thought it was injured - and out for the season ?

That was last season.

He runs in the Bobbyjo at Fairyhouse next weekend. Not dropped a pound despite being off for nearly 2 years. Thanks Phil.

fantastic historical record-I think Crisp will take all the beating

Normally I take complaints from trainers about handicapping with a pinch of salt but I cannot fathom out how Phil Smith arrived at the weight for BA.

Though his doubters are indeed numerous, this sprightly teenager looks set to defy the stats and win this years race. I make him a four on shot on my tissue.

Good luck to you all. Remember, steak, wine and virgins for all followers when he wins.