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TD_Gunner
23 Sep 09 16:49
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Alain De Royer-Dupre on Wednesday revealed that "an interesting gallop" at Chantilly racecourse has persuaded him to allow the Aga Khan's unbeaten maiden winner Rosanara to follow a path once trod by the outstanding Zarkava.

Like Zarkava, Rosanara is set to go from a Longchamp debut success, via a Chantilly workout, to the Prix Marcel Boussac on October 4, the race that first catapulted the subsequent Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe heroine to stardom.

Royer-Dupre said: "I was pleased with the way she went and, all being well, she will now go for the Marcel Boussac."

Of the Chantilly gallop, the trainer added: "It was an interesting gallop."
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Report Charlton2005 September 23, 2009 5:51 PM BST
I thought Stacelita was the new Zarkava?

Oh sorry, I thought Sariska was the new Zarkava.

Where can I lay this piece of cr@p?

;)
Report TD_Gunner September 23, 2009 5:52 PM BST
:0
Report Charlton2005 September 23, 2009 5:52 PM BST
:)
Report ben10 September 23, 2009 6:00 PM BST
The French love an Aga Khan hype horse, will make for some nice prices on the tote in the Marcel Boussac hopefully.
Report jamesp September 23, 2009 6:24 PM BST
Whatever you do, don't think of backing her for the Guineas after the Boussac. They didn't bring Zarkava over and I'm pretty sure Rosanara will follow a similar path (i.e. stay at home for the Pouliches).
Report TD_Gunner September 23, 2009 6:25 PM BST
james, you're a 2yo fillies expert, what you make of her first run?
Report ki2 September 23, 2009 6:46 PM BST
Darma said to be the better one
Report jamesp September 23, 2009 7:08 PM BST
See other thread for comments on Rosanara's winning debut - she hacked up and looks a very classy filly. The runner-up Aruna had run well previously in the Prix des Marettes, traditionally quite a hot fillies' race, and the 5th Oranor ran well yesterday (beaten ½l at Chantilly). Rosanara's winning time was nearly five seconds faster than the colts' equivalent race on the same card. However, as ki2 says, Darma is thought to be the best of Alain de Royer Dupre's fillies.
Report visionario September 23, 2009 7:50 PM BST
Charlton , crap like Zarkava !!!!!
Report ki2 September 23, 2009 7:56 PM BST
btw, Mubtassim was a VERY impressive maiden winner yesterday. Could be a hot 3 yo next year.
Report TD_Gunner October 3, 2009 7:41 PM BST
Big day for her tomorrow....
Report jamesp October 3, 2009 8:10 PM BST
Big day for several highly regarded fillies. It's a very competitive race, I've no idea what will win and I probably won't be having a bet. Rosanara is just one of several very promising fillies. Godolphin's filly Wedding March (trained by Andre Fabre) has identical form credentials to Rosanara - she too impressively won a Longchamp mile maiden by 4 lengths (the same race Zarkava won two years ago), and in a faster time than Rosanara - and I would advise people not to get too carried away with the hype surrounding the Aga Khan's filly.
Report Charlton2005 October 3, 2009 10:38 PM BST
Well I got that one well wrong Vision, as you know, but I'm not wrong every time.

:)
Report Charlton2005 October 3, 2009 10:46 PM BST
Laid win only 3.8

GL
Report Charlton2005 October 3, 2009 11:17 PM BST
On a line through Elisheba (the only line I could find). Rosanara is the equal of Kilo Alpha. On the RP ratings, KA is 40lbs inferior to the top rated filly. If this is the new Zarkava I will give up the game.
Report ben10 October 3, 2009 11:20 PM BST
I thought Dharma was his best filly?
Report ben10 October 3, 2009 11:20 PM BST
*Darma
Report Far From Trouble October 4, 2009 12:12 PM BST
Isn't Rosanara just a maiden winner?

I make Cabaret fav here, gl
Report platinni October 4, 2009 12:13 PM BST
so was zarkava ydc

{head in hands man}
Report Far From Trouble October 4, 2009 12:16 PM BST
How often do these impressive maiden winners step up to group 1 company and go on to win?
Report platinni October 4, 2009 12:19 PM BST
not my style to buy into the hype but few lads i really respect are very bullish

only passing it on
Report jamesp October 4, 2009 12:19 PM BST
Olvia for me, with a saver on Kilo Alpha.
Report Far From Trouble October 4, 2009 12:20 PM BST
ty plat
Report Mr Eboue October 4, 2009 12:23 PM BST
impressive.
Report platinni October 4, 2009 12:23 PM BST
B-)
Report Far From Trouble October 4, 2009 12:23 PM BST
aye, credit where credit is due
Report TD_Gunner October 4, 2009 12:23 PM BST
WOOOOOSSHHH
Report JOCI Club October 4, 2009 12:24 PM BST
Double whoooooosh !
Report Alecca October 4, 2009 12:24 PM BST
B-)
Report TD_Gunner October 4, 2009 12:24 PM BST
Whoever created this thread is a shrewd operator imo.
Report Alecca October 4, 2009 12:25 PM BST
gunner :x ;)
Report TD_Gunner October 4, 2009 12:26 PM BST
Charlton2005 23 Sep 18:51

I thought Stacelita was the new Zarkava?

Oh sorry, I thought Sariska was the new Zarkava.

Where can I lay this piece of cr@p?


Oops Charlton. ;)
Report JOCI Club October 4, 2009 12:26 PM BST
Charlton2005 - please don't 'give up the game'!
Report Alecca October 4, 2009 12:27 PM BST
:0
Report platinni October 4, 2009 12:30 PM BST
was going to have a word with him last night. but i was hammered so didnt :^0
Report TD_Gunner October 4, 2009 12:30 PM BST
Any chance she comes over for our Guineas?
Report ben10 October 4, 2009 12:31 PM BST
None imo TD
Report jamesp October 4, 2009 12:31 PM BST
Pouliches and Prix de Diane, I imagine.
Report ben10 October 4, 2009 12:31 PM BST
A great win though, she looks sure to improve into a good 3 year old as well.
Report TD_Gunner October 4, 2009 12:32 PM BST
Very impressive, living right up to the hype
Report platinni October 4, 2009 12:34 PM BST
well done TD. wish i read it earlier :D
Report jamesp October 4, 2009 12:54 PM BST
Royer-Dupre said: "It's very difficult to compare her with Zarkava, but she's definitely a very good filly. She'll get a mile, possibly ten furlongs, and will be very likely to be aimed at the Pouliches."
Report jamesp October 4, 2009 1:01 PM BST
Royer-Dupre also pointed out that Rosanara is "very small physically". If she develops physically over the next few months it might interrupt her classic preparation. If she doesn't develop physically, will she train on?
Report Adelaide October 4, 2009 1:06 PM BST
There is only one Zarkava and what a pity she didn't stay in training.

Rosanara today looked more like a staying type to me. Her and Daryakana look good prospects for next season's middle distances. I'm not convinced Rosanara will be early enough or speedy enough for the Pouliches.
Report jamesp October 5, 2009 6:03 AM BST
I agree that Rosanara looks more of a staying type than a miler for next season. On breeding she's sure to get a mile and a half. She didn't quicken quite as well as Zarkava did in the Boussac two years ago and was not quite so impressive. Incidentally, it looks as though Simon Turner at the Racing Post will give Rosanara a provisional rating (RPR) of about 108, using American Nizzy (RPR 97 in each of her last three starts) as a guide. Zarkava was rated 115 for her Boussac win in 2007. Hibaayeb, the Fillies' Mile winner, is rated 110. The Cheveley Park winner Special Duty is rated 117.
Report thebrain_01 October 5, 2009 8:42 AM BST
I like to follow the Aga Khan's horses, particularly the french-trained ones. He just continues to breed horse after horse with bags of potential and that showed on the weekend, what a brilliant few days racing!

Rosanara might not have looked as impressive as Zarkava but she fell out of the stalls and still won looking good. very exciting to watch her next year.
Report johnn October 5, 2009 12:41 PM BST
I wonder what Montmartre could have been.
Report ben10 October 5, 2009 12:44 PM BST
I always question the form of his Grad Prix de Paris win, he was visually impressive but had the run of the race and for me didn't put up a truly great performance, certainly not better than Zarkava's Arc.
Report thebrain_01 October 5, 2009 1:01 PM BST
persnoally think Zarkava gave her best performance in the vermielle, simply because she showed how good she could be after having such a disadvantage from the start when she was left in the stalls. it takes some horse to what she did and rosanara was also given an uphill task after having problems coming out of the stalls
Report sj October 5, 2009 1:15 PM BST
i liked that performance alot yesterday,only slight negative is her size(maybe some will progress past her),any thoughts on that?
Report thebrain_01 October 5, 2009 1:24 PM BST
don't think it will go against her. for her to run like that after the start on only her second race and still win impressively showed that she is something special.
Report Charlton2005 October 5, 2009 6:56 PM BST
WD TD, Plat

Presumably I can stay in the game until this horse stays unbeaten and wins next year's Arc. When that happens I'll give it up

:)
Report ben10 October 5, 2009 7:00 PM BST
Do you have any stats on fillies in the Arc Charlton? I can't imagine they have a great record from memory of all the ones that get beat.
Report Charlton2005 October 5, 2009 7:02 PM BST
To be fair I think quite a few have won or run well. This year's crop just wasn't up to it (thank **k!)

:)
Report Charlton2005 October 5, 2009 7:03 PM BST
To answer the question, I actually don't but that wasn't my angle in against the fillies this year, it was their ratings I didn't like.
Report platinni October 5, 2009 7:14 PM BST
sj - zarkava is also a very slight filly (mare)
Report ben10 October 5, 2009 7:20 PM BST
True she hadn't done what Zarkava had done and that was proven in the Vermeille. Think she ran to the same level as the Vermeille, she doesn't get home over that trip anyway.
Report sj October 5, 2009 7:32 PM BST
plat

tbh thought Rosanara looked alot smaller than Zarakava,but i could well be wrong(just by viewing them on video)
Report jamesp October 28, 2009 7:32 PM GMT
Rosanara has been left in this Sunday's Gr.1 Criterium International at today's forfeit stage. Her 12 possible opponents include the Ballydoyle colts Jan Vermeer, Fencing Master, Joshua Tree, Midas Touch and Lord High Admiral. Godolphin have left in Emerald Commander and Fareej.
Report jamesp October 29, 2009 9:08 AM GMT
Fencing Master was taken out this morning, but Rosanara is still in. Final decs tomorrow.
Report jamesp October 30, 2009 2:15 PM GMT
7 final decs for the Gr.1 Criterium International on Sunday: Arasin (P.Bary), Emerald Commander (Saeed Bin Suroor), Prizefighting (J.Gosden), Jan Vermeer (A.O'Brien), Midas Touch (A.O'Brien), Royal Bench (R**, Rosanara (A.De Royer Dupre).

I have Rosanara well clear on the ratings and will be surprised if she is beaten. Likely to be odds-on, so any odds-against will be good value.
Report platinni November 1, 2009 9:44 AM GMT
6/4 :^0 , foolish layerers

giddy up

gl if youre playing
Report ben10 November 1, 2009 9:48 AM GMT
Tempted to back the O'Brien runners coupled. Will Rosanara be OK on very soft ground?
Report ben10 November 1, 2009 9:53 AM GMT
Yeah, I'm going to take her on for the ground, plus the O'Brien runners haven't had a hard race which will help them on the ground in the finish.
Report ben10 November 1, 2009 9:55 AM GMT
Should have posted this on the race thread, then I won't look like a dope when this gets ttt'ed all next year!
Report top3 makin ahern and de souza November 1, 2009 10:39 AM GMT
i cant see any reason why the moderate british and irish horses will get near a potential superstar trained by europes best trainer on home ground anything at odds against looks a hell of a bet to me
Report TD_Gunner November 1, 2009 11:39 AM GMT
With you here plat, hoping she's way too good for the colts, happy with odds against.

GL.
Report Charlton2005 November 1, 2009 1:33 PM GMT
Just two more next Zarkavas and I'll have all the money back that I lost on the original.

:)
Report ben10 November 1, 2009 1:34 PM GMT
Ground was against her and over the top perhaps, but yeah she's no Zarkava.
Report turnip turns November 1, 2009 1:35 PM GMT
:^0 Well done C2 ;)
Report ben10 November 1, 2009 1:37 PM GMT
Yeah should have added my congratulations, well done Charlton. Is Darma the new Zarkava then :)
Report sintonian November 1, 2009 1:41 PM GMT
anohter bubble goes bang imo.

ground would have not help granted.

wp ben on Jan Vermeer.
Report TD_Gunner November 1, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
lol, bubble hasnt burst, she will still be the one to beat in the French Guineas and Oaks, ground was against her today.
Agree, that she is no Zarkava though.
Report TD_Gunner April 9, 2010 10:22 AM BST
Form boosted beautifully already this season, the horse she swept past in the Marcel Boussac, Joanna, beat the Guineas favourite yesterday.

It's just a question of how far in the French Guineas. B-) :x
Report sintonian April 9, 2010 10:23 AM BST
sintonian 01 Nov 14:41


anohter bubble goes bang imo.

ground would have not help granted.

wp ben on Jan Vermeer.

^^ who's that muppet :^0
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