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Alain De Royer-Dupre on Wednesday revealed that "an interesting gallop" at Chantilly racecourse has persuaded him to allow the Aga Khan's unbeaten maiden winner Rosanara to follow a path once trod by the outstanding Zarkava.
Like Zarkava, Rosanara is set to go from a Longchamp debut success, via a Chantilly workout, to the Prix Marcel Boussac on October 4, the race that first catapulted the subsequent Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe heroine to stardom.
Royer-Dupre said: "I was pleased with the way she went and, all being well, she will now go for the Marcel Boussac."
Of the Chantilly gallop, the trainer added: "It was an interesting gallop."
Like Zarkava, Rosanara is set to go from a Longchamp debut success, via a Chantilly workout, to the Prix Marcel Boussac on October 4, the race that first catapulted the subsequent Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe heroine to stardom.
Royer-Dupre said: "I was pleased with the way she went and, all being well, she will now go for the Marcel Boussac."
Of the Chantilly gallop, the trainer added: "It was an interesting gallop."
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I thought Stacelita was the new Zarkava?
Oh sorry, I thought Sariska was the new Zarkava.
Where can I lay this piece of cr@p?
;)
Oh sorry, I thought Sariska was the new Zarkava.
Where can I lay this piece of cr@p?
;)
The French love an Aga Khan hype horse, will make for some nice prices on the tote in the Marcel Boussac hopefully.
Whatever you do, don't think of backing her for the Guineas after the Boussac. They didn't bring Zarkava over and I'm pretty sure Rosanara will follow a similar path (i.e. stay at home for the Pouliches).
james, you're a 2yo fillies expert, what you make of her first run?
See other thread for comments on Rosanara's winning debut - she hacked up and looks a very classy filly. The runner-up Aruna had run well previously in the Prix des Marettes, traditionally quite a hot fillies' race, and the 5th Oranor ran well yesterday (beaten ½l at Chantilly). Rosanara's winning time was nearly five seconds faster than the colts' equivalent race on the same card. However, as ki2 says, Darma is thought to be the best of Alain de Royer Dupre's fillies.
btw, Mubtassim was a VERY impressive maiden winner yesterday. Could be a hot 3 yo next year.
Big day for several highly regarded fillies. It's a very competitive race, I've no idea what will win and I probably won't be having a bet. Rosanara is just one of several very promising fillies. Godolphin's filly Wedding March (trained by Andre Fabre) has identical form credentials to Rosanara - she too impressively won a Longchamp mile maiden by 4 lengths (the same race Zarkava won two years ago), and in a faster time than Rosanara - and I would advise people not to get too carried away with the hype surrounding the Aga Khan's filly.
Well I got that one well wrong Vision, as you know, but I'm not wrong every time.
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:)
On a line through Elisheba (the only line I could find). Rosanara is the equal of Kilo Alpha. On the RP ratings, KA is 40lbs inferior to the top rated filly. If this is the new Zarkava I will give up the game.
Isn't Rosanara just a maiden winner?
I make Cabaret fav here, gl
I make Cabaret fav here, gl
How often do these impressive maiden winners step up to group 1 company and go on to win?
not my style to buy into the hype but few lads i really respect are very bullish
only passing it on
only passing it on
Whoever created this thread is a shrewd operator imo.
Charlton2005 23 Sep 18:51
I thought Stacelita was the new Zarkava?
Oh sorry, I thought Sariska was the new Zarkava.
Where can I lay this piece of cr@p?
Oops Charlton. ;)
I thought Stacelita was the new Zarkava?
Oh sorry, I thought Sariska was the new Zarkava.
Where can I lay this piece of cr@p?
Oops Charlton. ;)
was going to have a word with him last night. but i was hammered so didnt :^0
A great win though, she looks sure to improve into a good 3 year old as well.
Royer-Dupre said: "It's very difficult to compare her with Zarkava, but she's definitely a very good filly. She'll get a mile, possibly ten furlongs, and will be very likely to be aimed at the Pouliches."
Royer-Dupre also pointed out that Rosanara is "very small physically". If she develops physically over the next few months it might interrupt her classic preparation. If she doesn't develop physically, will she train on?
There is only one Zarkava and what a pity she didn't stay in training.
Rosanara today looked more like a staying type to me. Her and Daryakana look good prospects for next season's middle distances. I'm not convinced Rosanara will be early enough or speedy enough for the Pouliches.
Rosanara today looked more like a staying type to me. Her and Daryakana look good prospects for next season's middle distances. I'm not convinced Rosanara will be early enough or speedy enough for the Pouliches.
I agree that Rosanara looks more of a staying type than a miler for next season. On breeding she's sure to get a mile and a half. She didn't quicken quite as well as Zarkava did in the Boussac two years ago and was not quite so impressive. Incidentally, it looks as though Simon Turner at the Racing Post will give Rosanara a provisional rating (RPR) of about 108, using American Nizzy (RPR 97 in each of her last three starts) as a guide. Zarkava was rated 115 for her Boussac win in 2007. Hibaayeb, the Fillies' Mile winner, is rated 110. The Cheveley Park winner Special Duty is rated 117.
I like to follow the Aga Khan's horses, particularly the french-trained ones. He just continues to breed horse after horse with bags of potential and that showed on the weekend, what a brilliant few days racing!
Rosanara might not have looked as impressive as Zarkava but she fell out of the stalls and still won looking good. very exciting to watch her next year.
Rosanara might not have looked as impressive as Zarkava but she fell out of the stalls and still won looking good. very exciting to watch her next year.
I always question the form of his Grad Prix de Paris win, he was visually impressive but had the run of the race and for me didn't put up a truly great performance, certainly not better than Zarkava's Arc.
persnoally think Zarkava gave her best performance in the vermielle, simply because she showed how good she could be after having such a disadvantage from the start when she was left in the stalls. it takes some horse to what she did and rosanara was also given an uphill task after having problems coming out of the stalls
i liked that performance alot yesterday,only slight negative is her size(maybe some will progress past her),any thoughts on that?
don't think it will go against her. for her to run like that after the start on only her second race and still win impressively showed that she is something special.
WD TD, Plat
Presumably I can stay in the game until this horse stays unbeaten and wins next year's Arc. When that happens I'll give it up
:)
Presumably I can stay in the game until this horse stays unbeaten and wins next year's Arc. When that happens I'll give it up
:)
Do you have any stats on fillies in the Arc Charlton? I can't imagine they have a great record from memory of all the ones that get beat.
To be fair I think quite a few have won or run well. This year's crop just wasn't up to it (thank **k!)
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:)
To answer the question, I actually don't but that wasn't my angle in against the fillies this year, it was their ratings I didn't like.
True she hadn't done what Zarkava had done and that was proven in the Vermeille. Think she ran to the same level as the Vermeille, she doesn't get home over that trip anyway.
plat
tbh thought Rosanara looked alot smaller than Zarakava,but i could well be wrong(just by viewing them on video)
tbh thought Rosanara looked alot smaller than Zarakava,but i could well be wrong(just by viewing them on video)
Rosanara has been left in this Sunday's Gr.1 Criterium International at today's forfeit stage. Her 12 possible opponents include the Ballydoyle colts Jan Vermeer, Fencing Master, Joshua Tree, Midas Touch and Lord High Admiral. Godolphin have left in Emerald Commander and Fareej.
Fencing Master was taken out this morning, but Rosanara is still in. Final decs tomorrow.
7 final decs for the Gr.1 Criterium International on Sunday: Arasin (P.Bary), Emerald Commander (Saeed Bin Suroor), Prizefighting (J.Gosden), Jan Vermeer (A.O'Brien), Midas Touch (A.O'Brien), Royal Bench (R**, Rosanara (A.De Royer Dupre).
I have Rosanara well clear on the ratings and will be surprised if she is beaten. Likely to be odds-on, so any odds-against will be good value.
I have Rosanara well clear on the ratings and will be surprised if she is beaten. Likely to be odds-on, so any odds-against will be good value.
6/4 :^0 , foolish layerers
giddy up
gl if youre playing
giddy up
gl if youre playing
Tempted to back the O'Brien runners coupled. Will Rosanara be OK on very soft ground?
Yeah, I'm going to take her on for the ground, plus the O'Brien runners haven't had a hard race which will help them on the ground in the finish.
Should have posted this on the race thread, then I won't look like a dope when this gets ttt'ed all next year!
i cant see any reason why the moderate british and irish horses will get near a potential superstar trained by europes best trainer on home ground anything at odds against looks a hell of a bet to me
With you here plat, hoping she's way too good for the colts, happy with odds against.
GL.
GL.
Just two more next Zarkavas and I'll have all the money back that I lost on the original.
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:)
Ground was against her and over the top perhaps, but yeah she's no Zarkava.
Yeah should have added my congratulations, well done Charlton. Is Darma the new Zarkava then :)
anohter bubble goes bang imo.
ground would have not help granted.
wp ben on Jan Vermeer.
ground would have not help granted.
wp ben on Jan Vermeer.
lol, bubble hasnt burst, she will still be the one to beat in the French Guineas and Oaks, ground was against her today.
Agree, that she is no Zarkava though.
Agree, that she is no Zarkava though.
Form boosted beautifully already this season, the horse she swept past in the Marcel Boussac, Joanna, beat the Guineas favourite yesterday.
It's just a question of how far in the French Guineas. B-) :x
It's just a question of how far in the French Guineas. B-) :x
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