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Afters trev ;)
Dunno, he's probably too busy counting his money. :^0
Hope so, though :p
Dunno, he's probably too busy counting his money. :^0
Hope so, though :p
Nope.
You watch The C.ouch on rptv? Reckons we should back Ballyfitz to be the first faller :^0
You watch The C.ouch on rptv? Reckons we should back Ballyfitz to be the first faller :^0
Hi trev - can you confirm that your brother will be playing the team tipster compy full time for us newbies , cheers cc .
bouggler ew
super kenny
calgary bay
what Donn said about the last one...
Calgary Bay
The rain that fell on Prestbury Park on Friday afternoon did nothing to aid Calgary Bays chances in the Gold Cup, but he still ran really well, much better than his finishing position in sixth place, some 40 lengths behind the winner, suggest. He was a little free in the early stages for Graham Lee, and he didnt jump as well as he can, but he was still right there, one of just five horses in contention as they raced down to the third last. From there, however, he couldnt match his rivals for stamina, the hill and the energy-sapping ground taking their toll. As long as he has recovered from his Cheltenham exertions on time, he could be a different proposition at Aintree if the ground comes up good. The best run of the Henrietta Knight-trained geldings career to date was probably his penultimate run, when he danced in in a competitive three-mile handicap chase on good ground at Doncaster, a track that is not wholly dissimilar to Aintree in terms of configuration. He could go well at a big price if he takes his chance in the Totesport Bowl at the Grand National meeting.
super kenny
calgary bay
what Donn said about the last one...
Calgary Bay
The rain that fell on Prestbury Park on Friday afternoon did nothing to aid Calgary Bays chances in the Gold Cup, but he still ran really well, much better than his finishing position in sixth place, some 40 lengths behind the winner, suggest. He was a little free in the early stages for Graham Lee, and he didnt jump as well as he can, but he was still right there, one of just five horses in contention as they raced down to the third last. From there, however, he couldnt match his rivals for stamina, the hill and the energy-sapping ground taking their toll. As long as he has recovered from his Cheltenham exertions on time, he could be a different proposition at Aintree if the ground comes up good. The best run of the Henrietta Knight-trained geldings career to date was probably his penultimate run, when he danced in in a competitive three-mile handicap chase on good ground at Doncaster, a track that is not wholly dissimilar to Aintree in terms of configuration. He could go well at a big price if he takes his chance in the Totesport Bowl at the Grand National meeting.
Good stuff G1, like bouggler ew & w/o fav myself.
Backed What a Friend @3/1.
Looking at Lennon, has top form over the Cd.
Backed What a Friend @3/1.
Looking at Lennon, has top form over the Cd.
3.10 - What A Friend - £7.50 Win @ 3/1
4.20 - Chapoturgeon - £3.75 E/W @ ???
4.55 - The Nightingale - £ 10 Win @ ???
5.30 - Ainama - £5 E/W @ ???
Day 1, gl
4.20 - Chapoturgeon - £3.75 E/W @ ???
4.55 - The Nightingale - £ 10 Win @ ???
5.30 - Ainama - £5 E/W @ ???
Day 1, gl
im away again so cant run the comp but if you want to man up trev by all means ;)
Maybe start the fred plat, it usually runs itself, as most tally their own score (trev and myself can watch the usual che@ts and monitor their scores - Nibb, tt, Gunny, earl, fft). ;)
plat..i would...but working thurs/fri.. :( and lingfield sat'd :)
trev w 07 Apr 16:35
no one dropped out the big-un yet ?
The only one I can possibly see coming out is Preists Leap, though I don't have much imagination. They may decide that as the horse is so out of form, and as the ground ain't gonna be Soft, that it ain't worth running. This is just secondguessing though.
no one dropped out the big-un yet ?
The only one I can possibly see coming out is Preists Leap, though I don't have much imagination. They may decide that as the horse is so out of form, and as the ground ain't gonna be Soft, that it ain't worth running. This is just secondguessing though.
platinni 07 Apr 16:48
im away again so cant run the comp but if you want to man up trev by all means
you dont half get about plat :^0
im away again so cant run the comp but if you want to man up trev by all means
you dont half get about plat :^0
2.00 havent got the dough/stones to bet at 1/3, souffleur each way
4.20 looks impossible - fancy a big priced winner here with the weights rising - enlightenment! Might as well go for the exacta with one of nikola/arkendale/pret a thou
5.30 ainama - looked after at chelt when chance gone, mccoy rides, likes track, looks too good for these
4.20 looks impossible - fancy a big priced winner here with the weights rising - enlightenment! Might as well go for the exacta with one of nikola/arkendale/pret a thou
5.30 ainama - looked after at chelt when chance gone, mccoy rides, likes track, looks too good for these
The going at Aintree eased slightly on the eve of the John Smith's Grand National meeting.
Clerk of the Course Andrew Tulloch changed the going on the Grand National course to soft, good to soft in places (from Good to soft, soft in places) after two millimetres of rain overnight and maintained that going description at the end of the day.
The Mildmay and Hurdle courses remain good to soft, good in places.
The GoingStick readings at 4pm on Wednesday were Mildmay course 6.6; Hurdle course 6.4 and Grand National course 5.4
Tullloch said: "The National course is retaining the moisture as the majority of the ground has not been raced on since last year's John Smith's Grand National meeting.
"We may get a bit of drizzle on Thursday but it is meant to be mainly dry. Friday afternoon and Saturday are forecast to be dry and the temperatures are set to increase as we approach the John Smith's Grand National.
"The Mildmay and Hurdle courses ride a bit quicker because of a different soil substructure but we will have fresh ground on the bends each day."
Clerk of the Course Andrew Tulloch changed the going on the Grand National course to soft, good to soft in places (from Good to soft, soft in places) after two millimetres of rain overnight and maintained that going description at the end of the day.
The Mildmay and Hurdle courses remain good to soft, good in places.
The GoingStick readings at 4pm on Wednesday were Mildmay course 6.6; Hurdle course 6.4 and Grand National course 5.4
Tullloch said: "The National course is retaining the moisture as the majority of the ground has not been raced on since last year's John Smith's Grand National meeting.
"We may get a bit of drizzle on Thursday but it is meant to be mainly dry. Friday afternoon and Saturday are forecast to be dry and the temperatures are set to increase as we approach the John Smith's Grand National.
"The Mildmay and Hurdle courses ride a bit quicker because of a different soil substructure but we will have fresh ground on the bends each day."
Safari Journey is my nap tomorrow.
Been waiting for this all winter and thought he had a massive chance in the Grand Annual until the rain came. He loves the spring, won twice last April and has shown decent form this season, when second to Snap Tie earlier in the year. Ran really well in the Grand Annual to come sixth and has since been dropped a pound which is generous. If the ground dries out he has to have a massive chance. Flint booked is a very good move.
Also looking at The Nightingale in the novice chase and Super Kenny in the novice hurdle.
Won't be around tomorrow, so good luck y'all. B-)
Been waiting for this all winter and thought he had a massive chance in the Grand Annual until the rain came. He loves the spring, won twice last April and has shown decent form this season, when second to Snap Tie earlier in the year. Ran really well in the Grand Annual to come sixth and has since been dropped a pound which is generous. If the ground dries out he has to have a massive chance. Flint booked is a very good move.
Also looking at The Nightingale in the novice chase and Super Kenny in the novice hurdle.
Won't be around tomorrow, so good luck y'all. B-)
Any views on 5.30
Shirley Ainama's day??
Wishfull Thinking & Silverhand should go well.
Dont really like anything else.
Shirley Ainama's day??
Wishfull Thinking & Silverhand should go well.
Dont really like anything else.
didnt see Wishfull THinking was running, :) get my money back B-)
its sunny without a cloud in the sky and been like that most of the day with air temp pretty good
think it will dry out pretty quickly for saturday
think it will dry out pretty quickly for saturday
Trev
I know its not my style but honeslty dont like anything else
Whats the best way to play it??
Back 2/3 win only or 2/3 e/w??
Or drop 1 and back 2 e/w??
I know its not my style but honeslty dont like anything else
Whats the best way to play it??
Back 2/3 win only or 2/3 e/w??
Or drop 1 and back 2 e/w??
at the prices....i would probably go 2 win only....but if one of them was silver..might play that e/w.
5.30 trends -
Positives
Novices 5/8
Owned by J P McManus 5/12
Trained in Ireland or by Peter Bowen
Ran at the Cheltenham Festival (preferably the Coral Cup) 10/21chelt, 5 CC
Ran well in this race before
Eight of the last ten winners started at double-figure prices
Negatives
The favourite 2/21
Not won earlier in the season - only 4/21 had not won.
Positives
Novices 5/8
Owned by J P McManus 5/12
Trained in Ireland or by Peter Bowen
Ran at the Cheltenham Festival (preferably the Coral Cup) 10/21chelt, 5 CC
Ran well in this race before
Eight of the last ten winners started at double-figure prices
Negatives
The favourite 2/21
Not won earlier in the season - only 4/21 had not won.
you know what happens with the one you drop though :^0
yeah..but i will tell you i'm backing only 2.....then back the other one :^0
Me voici in the 235 for me, though I'd guess they'll pull him out if it dries too much. Calgary bay, with some in running lays, the favourite has needed longer breaks between his runs, though if he's in decent form can't see anything getting near. Oiseua de nuit and lennon in the 420, both win bets, the former ran a cracker at donny the time befor last behind kalahari king and looks a big price here. Lennon also ran in that race- only his second since more than a year off and showed up well until between the last two, has run at cheltenham since but that isn't his track, this has been in the past. Sir harry ormesher in the last, would have won the void race at donny in december, came back in january to make up for that and is just about 6lb higher now. He did run in the coral cup and was off the bridle for a time before staying on passed beaten horses without being beaten up. Hopefully choc will be more inclined to give him a crack when he misbehaves tomorrow.
In the 3.10 at Aintree, Carruthers looks a cracking bet at around 14/1. This horse is a small field bully and will hopefully run a big race.
:)
:)
Agreed fastbear . . .
On form Imperial Commander will add the Totesport Bowl to his Cheltenham Gold Cup and on the face of it, at evens, he looks very good value to do so.
But the Mildmay course at Aintree is chalk to Cheltenham's cheese; nor (despite NTD's claims) is it that similar to Haydock other than being left-handed. The Mildmay is sharp and tight and big long-striding horses like IC (and Denman) are at a considerable disadvantage there.
IC is reported bouncing by his trainer but his owners have voiced reservations about the wisdom of running him here just 20 days after a monumental performance in the Gold Cup. There is also talk of him being best fresh though I think that remains to be proven. What is certain is that he will not be given a hard race - backers will probably know their fate after the first circuit.
In my opinion, the track will negate much of the 23lbs plus he, theoretically, has in hand.
Calgary Bay is another who, on build, will probably find it awkward round here. Arguably he did not have as tough a race in the Gold Cup as IC, but he has much to prove form-wise as well.
Nacarat is a horse I've always thought over-rated. He has never come close to replicating his RPRs in both Racing Post chases (170 in each) and much of his reputation, imo, was built on his victory in that race which very much went his way. On reflection, his defeat of Possol (rcvd 4lbs) at Kempton was far from great form.
What a Friend, on his Lexus run, and, arguably his Hennessy performance, will ideally want a longer trip, though I note his jockey said he will improve for better ground. Still, he might find himself outpaced and the run-in running out before he can gather in the leader.
That leaves Carruthers, a horse I'd have been happy to lay after what looked like he'd literally run himself into the ground in last year's RSA. I thought he might never come back from that in a race which has bottomed some promising novices.
But Carruthers has proved remarkably tough, bouncing back with a decent run at Wincanton before trouncing Big Fella Thanks at Newbury. He then failed to give 6lbs to a rejuvenated Taranis at Cheltenham prior to another valiant but fruitless run at the Festival.
Still, Carruthers is tough and talented and should be ideally suited by the Mildmay track (he's unbeaten left-handed on sharp courses). I believe he acts well on decent ground, despite his reputation as a heavy ground specialist.
Many races, are won, imo, by the horse who is ideally suited to the way the race is run rather than by the best horse in the race. For me, Carruthers is much more likely to get his ideal conditions tomorrow than any of his opponents, and at around 14s, he looks well worth an interest.
On form Imperial Commander will add the Totesport Bowl to his Cheltenham Gold Cup and on the face of it, at evens, he looks very good value to do so.
But the Mildmay course at Aintree is chalk to Cheltenham's cheese; nor (despite NTD's claims) is it that similar to Haydock other than being left-handed. The Mildmay is sharp and tight and big long-striding horses like IC (and Denman) are at a considerable disadvantage there.
IC is reported bouncing by his trainer but his owners have voiced reservations about the wisdom of running him here just 20 days after a monumental performance in the Gold Cup. There is also talk of him being best fresh though I think that remains to be proven. What is certain is that he will not be given a hard race - backers will probably know their fate after the first circuit.
In my opinion, the track will negate much of the 23lbs plus he, theoretically, has in hand.
Calgary Bay is another who, on build, will probably find it awkward round here. Arguably he did not have as tough a race in the Gold Cup as IC, but he has much to prove form-wise as well.
Nacarat is a horse I've always thought over-rated. He has never come close to replicating his RPRs in both Racing Post chases (170 in each) and much of his reputation, imo, was built on his victory in that race which very much went his way. On reflection, his defeat of Possol (rcvd 4lbs) at Kempton was far from great form.
What a Friend, on his Lexus run, and, arguably his Hennessy performance, will ideally want a longer trip, though I note his jockey said he will improve for better ground. Still, he might find himself outpaced and the run-in running out before he can gather in the leader.
That leaves Carruthers, a horse I'd have been happy to lay after what looked like he'd literally run himself into the ground in last year's RSA. I thought he might never come back from that in a race which has bottomed some promising novices.
But Carruthers has proved remarkably tough, bouncing back with a decent run at Wincanton before trouncing Big Fella Thanks at Newbury. He then failed to give 6lbs to a rejuvenated Taranis at Cheltenham prior to another valiant but fruitless run at the Festival.
Still, Carruthers is tough and talented and should be ideally suited by the Mildmay track (he's unbeaten left-handed on sharp courses). I believe he acts well on decent ground, despite his reputation as a heavy ground specialist.
Many races, are won, imo, by the horse who is ideally suited to the way the race is run rather than by the best horse in the race. For me, Carruthers is much more likely to get his ideal conditions tomorrow than any of his opponents, and at around 14s, he looks well worth an interest.
[i]Uttoxeter Result
31 Oct 2008
« 2:00 » Wiser Than Most Beginners' Chase (Class 4) (4yo+) 3m Soft 18 fences
£5,529.25, £1,623.50, £811.75, £405.45
« 1 What A Friend 9/4 5 11-4 P F Nicholls
31 Oct 2008
« 2:00 » Wiser Than Most Beginners' Chase (Class 4) (4yo+) 3m Soft 18 fences
£5,529.25, £1,623.50, £811.75, £405.45
« 1 What A Friend 9/4 5 11-4 P F Nicholls
I certainly wouldn't be saying that What A Friend is short of pace either.
I have no argument with that HFC - WAF certainly much less exposed and very probably a 'better' horse. But if the race pans out as I think it might, the 10 to 12 point difference in price is much too wide.
Can see where you're coming from looking at the prices steeple and if Nacarat doesn't go after him it could make things interesting having his own way up front.
I'm also sceptical if the ground will be as good as the clerk has suggested.
I'm a WAF man but best of luck to you.
I'm also sceptical if the ground will be as good as the clerk has suggested.
I'm a WAF man but best of luck to you.
After a nice day out on course tomorrow, and so far i will mostly be backing.
Bougler w/o fav
Notus De La Tour e/way (cracking eway bet imo)
Carruthers
Island Flyer
Pigeon Island (was thought to be better on good ground, so surprised he won so well when it turned soft at Chelts, has more to give on hurdle form)
The Nightengale (if only be default)
Silverhand- nap
Bougler w/o fav
Notus De La Tour e/way (cracking eway bet imo)
Carruthers
Island Flyer
Pigeon Island (was thought to be better on good ground, so surprised he won so well when it turned soft at Chelts, has more to give on hurdle form)
The Nightengale (if only be default)
Silverhand- nap
2.00 Big Bucks
2.35 Sanctuaire
3.10 Imperial Commander
3.45 Trust Fund
4.20 Doctor David
4.55 Somersby
The Punters will be striking back tomorrow!
2.35 Sanctuaire
3.10 Imperial Commander
3.45 Trust Fund
4.20 Doctor David
4.55 Somersby
The Punters will be striking back tomorrow!
2.00 Big Bucks
2.35 Sanctuaire
3.10 Imperial Commander
3.45 Trust Fund
4.20 Doctor David
4.55 Somersby
The Punters will be striking back tomorrow!
2.35 Sanctuaire
3.10 Imperial Commander
3.45 Trust Fund
4.20 Doctor David
4.55 Somersby
The Punters will be striking back tomorrow!
2.00 Big Bucks
2.35 Sanctuaire
3.10 Imperial Commander
3.45 Trust Fund
4.20 Doctor David
4.55 Somersby
The Punters will be striking back tomorrow!
2.35 Sanctuaire
3.10 Imperial Commander
3.45 Trust Fund
4.20 Doctor David
4.55 Somersby
The Punters will be striking back tomorrow!
think Kayf Aramis could turn form with Souffleur if there is good in the going des.
the last race looks really tough. Was looking at El Dancer but Geraghty has rejected that to ride Black Jack Blues.
Das, you got anymore stats re weight carried by winners ..
Das, you got anymore stats re weight carried by winners ..
200 souffleur e/w @16
310 carruthers win @16, calgary bay win @20
345 van ness win @55 place @12
420 pigeon island win @7, safari journey win @10
455 hey big spender win @8
530 donelessthanme e/w @20, pascha bere e/w @40
gl all B-)
310 carruthers win @16, calgary bay win @20
345 van ness win @55 place @12
420 pigeon island win @7, safari journey win @10
455 hey big spender win @8
530 donelessthanme e/w @20, pascha bere e/w @40
gl all B-)
Really looking forward to today. Had a bit better luck yesterday so maybe coming into form at the right time.
2.00 1pt e/w Bouggler 16s
2.35 1pt win Super Kenny 9/2; 0.5pt e/w Notus de la Tour 8s
3.05 3pts win What a Friend 10/3
4.20 0.5pt win Pigeon Island 15/2
4.55 1pt win Mad Max 6/1
5.30 1pt e/w Silverhand 11s; 0.5pt e/w Pagan Starprincess 25s
good luck all :-)
2.00 1pt e/w Bouggler 16s
2.35 1pt win Super Kenny 9/2; 0.5pt e/w Notus de la Tour 8s
3.05 3pts win What a Friend 10/3
4.20 0.5pt win Pigeon Island 15/2
4.55 1pt win Mad Max 6/1
5.30 1pt e/w Silverhand 11s; 0.5pt e/w Pagan Starprincess 25s
good luck all :-)
finger crossed there jam, a leap of faith but he looks well treated in a poor race ;-)
Since when did Bouggler forget how to jump? :-(
Big run from Possol. Just shows that there isn't much in the way of depth in the staying hurdling division.
Big run from Possol. Just shows that there isn't much in the way of depth in the staying hurdling division.
unlucky Jam, he looks a shadow of former self really and big bucks so far ahead
me voici to go on this ground ok and should go close I hope
me voici to go on this ground ok and should go close I hope
The beeb making a great attempt at beating C4 for artfy farty pics here.
Yea, total disgrace
But he's been shocking for a while
But he's been shocking for a while
One of the worst-ever imo, wonder if 'Croc' over-indulged at the press-room lunch ?:|
:^0
Just said what he expected to happen instead of what was in front of his eyes (if he could see thru them, that is)
Just said what he expected to happen instead of what was in front of his eyes (if he could see thru them, that is)
Afternoon Guys, been playing about so far today 1st big bet of the meeting Nacarat in the win market. GL
An come on Ballyfitz ;)
An come on Ballyfitz ;)
Note for next year - Silver Adonis related to Papillon.
NORN IRON had the 1-2 on 'Aintree Thursday' thread on Irish forum - hope he did the f/c at the track :0
Extreme Conviction 08 Apr 13:26
4.20 100 EW Chaninbar 25/1 0.365p
4.20 200 Safari Journey 8/1 0.365p
4.55 200 Mad Max 6/1 Joe Co.ra.lss
Gl
Oh yes, on the old Aintree compo ;)
Was just gonna post on comp thread about that, EC - fantastic shout, hope it was a real ton e/w :0
Blimey EC. Great stuff.
Not today for War Party. Travelled OK then jockey gave up after applying a bit of pressure. Maybe next time.
Not today for War Party. Travelled OK then jockey gave up after applying a bit of pressure. Maybe next time.
not my day so far Jam ( bar a nibble on Silver Adonis )
EC that's too many bets in that race for the comp I think...great shout though mate!!!
EC that's too many bets in that race for the comp I think...great shout though mate!!!
Get in there. How cool was Geraghty. Best jock about? Probably.
nice one ec.
had a few quid ew on El Dancer jsut in case even if he has been rejected by Geragthy. Has been running on Soft all winter , ground could make a diff. 33/1.
had a few quid ew on El Dancer jsut in case even if he has been rejected by Geragthy. Has been running on Soft all winter , ground could make a diff. 33/1.
El Dancer has a decent record on tight tracks also done i hear a symphoony & sir harry O in this
mythical prince 08 Apr 16:54
mad max from somersby
should have done the forecast :-(
mad max from somersby
should have done the forecast :-(
well done winners there, jam etc ;-)
wishfull thinking, majaales for me...done a trifecta with Sir H and Ainama chucked in...good luck
wishfull thinking, majaales for me...done a trifecta with Sir H and Ainama chucked in...good luck
small play on these in forecasts - el dancer, sir harry o, wishful thinking,i hear a symphony
wd ted :-)....nasty days punting that, anyone who made a few bob deserves a good drink!
wd town.
yes has been tough today. now we know why BJG rejected El Dancer, his ride ran a huge race from the front.
roll on tomorrow.
yes has been tough today. now we know why BJG rejected El Dancer, his ride ran a huge race from the front.
roll on tomorrow.
Disaster. When will my bad run end???
Cleaning up in the footie but losing it all and then some on the nags. Bleh
Glad Mad Max won, was a big fan of the horse pity I deserted him this season.
Cleaning up in the footie but losing it all and then some on the nags. Bleh
Glad Mad Max won, was a big fan of the horse pity I deserted him this season.
wd winners, tough days punting. Lets hope for a turn around tomorrow.
Some field for the Melling.
Some field for the Melling.
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