Who would you consider to be the greyhound GOAT?

Westmead Hawk was superb agreed. Ballyregan Bob was a clever tracker but for sheer disbelief nothing comes close to Scurlogue Champ and probably never will

I had never heard of Scurlogue  Champ, just watched a few youtube vids. the last half a lap he would be passing them like they were standing still. Visually a joy to watch!

such a question is virtually impossible to answer.....there are superstars over the years covering every distance and style but for the old tracks now forgotten there would have been some fantastic greyhounds running on various tracks make-ups....grass...peat...sand...part and part....so for the sport it is better that we have a spread of memories and watch videos of all those we can.......

westmead hawk best derby winner in my time following the sport

Get On Blackie

does anyone remember the greyhounds - Rossa Ranger and Marmions? me and my mate still talk about these dogs in conversation

Rossa Ranger Was he a Hurdler ?

yes! not sure if this is up-to-date, but still has the 380m hurdles track record at Crayford:

Track Records
380m: Kingdom Club - 23.01 sec. (09/27/03)
380mH: Rossa Ranger 23.36 sec. (04/15/02)
540m: Sportsman 33.26 sec. (02/03/03)
540mH: Selby Ben 33.68 sec. (03/26/03)
714m: Centour Corker 44.74 sec. (03/03/03)
874m: Clonbrin Black 56.15 sec. (10/06/93)
1048m: Stansted Flyer 69.81 sec. (09/07/96)

Winja know records at crayford
Few them are long been broken

The GOAT

that could many different things
Punter friendly dog
Dog that was unbelievable at point of time
TR DOGS
DERBY WINNERS
too many think of

Watch poor sue on YouTube
Allways remember here winning Pepsi Marathon
Sports night 90s
Took my girlfriend to rapid ranger second derby final win
Favourite Romford dog
Favourite monmore 630 dog head iton Jason
Too many
Loved Toosey blue
Ioved ninja Jamie
Loved Lenson joker

Goat never get bored watching champ on YouTube

I think we know who in
2013 would of been popular choice
Later went on get his Scottish derby following year

spy aye

thought barnfield on air would have got mention riddler

There too many
He was fantastic dog
Got him beat Scottish derby first rd
Going -200
575 against the joker

Bornha best was fav of mine
That Newcastle all England final v dot land hitman was fantastic race
On bad going on sky

I watch match book derby semi perview
Pl said dogs YouTube was good as any sky sports
Production I laugh myself silly at that comment
Didn’t need head ons wimbo see perfect well
Unlike horrible side view we get at the kip

Very hard to answer but my two against the field are: Ballyregan Bob and Ballinderry Moth.

Most will know the former but possibly only the older posters will recall Ballinderry Moth - a great bitch out of Walthamstow who won loads of stuff in the mid 1970's.

As a very raw 16 year old I had my week's wages on her for the final of the Oaks at Harringey in November 1976. Only 8/11 (I think) but she was away and gone....OI OI!

i remember her son Daleys Gold.....

I remember.  Moth was a blue blood, no doubt about that. BB very special though.
I thought Loyal Honcho had his moments too.

Terrydrum Mill

Westmead Hawk was pure class.

Agreed but so were many more who came before him. Impossible to determine.

Scurlogue the Greatest Crowd puller the Sport will ever see

Myrtown Must go down as Greatest dog never to win the Derby , Short price Jolly for two Finals , But all wrong on Both nights , he had some Middle pace , A sight to behold Blasting down the back straight at the City

Two of Myrtowns offspring Made  Finals at the City Westmead Myra came third , and Tyrean actually started Favourite No good came 5th

Myrtown was also ante post Jolly for the 74  Irish Derby 3rd in the final won by Lively Band a flying Machine , Who was 3rd but disqualified in the Semi Finals of the 75 English Derby after attacking

Shamrock point ,Lively Band has to go Down as the Greatest Fighter of all Time

the old nanny ;-) • June 8, 2025 4:40 PM BST
Scurlogue the Greatest Crowd puller the Sport will ever see

if you dont count the monster crowds 1970 who used to go to every saturday night graded

pre= 1970....

Long gone

champ was a bit of Revival

saying that WestPark mustard was pulling Crowds , how may did she win in a row  ,I cant remember was it 20 ?

Used to off at 1-14 In races

How many were at Wembley for the Showdown Bob and Champ Must have been over 10,000

21 I think nanny.  Both Mustard and Lively Band were owned by the same man, coincidentally, a Scottish banker called Cyril Young, known on the programmes/racecards as Cyril Scotland.  Very well known for his sporting support, football being high amongst his hobbies.
Lively Band won the Edinburgh Cup which was always run in August, so presumably he retrialled and requalied to race.  Phenomenal pace the dog had.
He took out, as you say, probably the greatest dog never to win a Derby, Shamrock Point ( I rated him higher than Myrtown, sry ) and the dopey, grovelling officials in charge then promoted the Duke of Edinburgh’s dog, Camira Flash from 4th to 3rd and thus into the final, which of course the dog won.
The crowd - and they were huge in these day,s (as you already know )were not at all reticent in demonstrating, very loudly, their displeasure post-race.
The following year Shamrock Point missed out again from a final spot, by the narrowest of margins, and again won the Consolation Final, again in a faster time than the winning finalist.  I well remember Ger McKenna leading the dog across and, as he did, the crowd spontaneously gave him and the dog huge vocal support and applause out of pure sentiment and appreciation.  It was a memorable sound and sight.

Cyril owned a couple of Graders at Whitecity Loyal

They were great days mate we were lucky to have them ,Tremendous Track  , Derby night was something Else most folks dressed up for the Occasion,That was both sides

Evry year the First thing Everyone Checked was Gers entrants I bet a few of his , Sadly not Parkdown Jet

I bet Jet in one of the Heats thought he was a Good Thing 2/1 he was ,  a Friend of Mine fancied a dog at a Price in the Race  was Called mount Cashel 

Was either  12s or 20s I played Jet to beat it Cast as well , Jet Led , Cashel came storming by it on the run in  My mates got the Lot , I didnt have a penny on it to Win 

Crazy , My Mate John (rip) who a very good Judge Said why didnt you have a small Saver ,  the Cast the other way must have paid Enough even for a couple of quid ,I was not a Happy Chappy

Wow,!
Not easy dealing with a disappointment like that, especially when rubbed in forever after by your mates!.
Therapeutic to talk about it?
No chance!
Been there too.   lol.
As you say they were fantastic days.

Didnt think it Could be Jet Loyal Tbh , 3rd Bend I was getting the Lot , Got fook all

he was a Good Judge John  Him his son Steve and a couple of other Lads only played opens Would travel Miles

He was killed in a Car accident , Not seen any of the Others in Years ,Im sure plenty of the Old Lads on here would have

known them back in the day ,They were a shrewd outfit ,I was only a Kid would See them Wembley or the City

And then wimbledon for a Couple of years Was Nearly a Riot one Night Sid Hooper Chalked up they Charged and Sidi wiped the whole board off

Mine was What’s Up Boys in the National.  I got inspiration for him on the Friday and got on.  Bet him again on the Saturday morning as the huge punt took off.
Had never before seen a horse come to lead the race over the last then get passed again, on the run in, by the horse he’d just passed.
They heard me all over the street as I triumphantly shouted him on.  Then the brutal reality suggested itself and actually happened.
Bindaree!  And worse, one of my fav. Jocks Culloty!

@ The Knight.

With respect, were you the punter that had some massive golf bet on here years ago that hit 1.01 and lost?

My memory deserts me

As a 46 near 47 year old the Dog that springs to mind has to be Westmead Hawk, if only for it's style of winning.

I don't doubt there may have been faster dogs but I've only been left mouth open mouthed and completely speechless once.....and that was The Hawk

once open mouthed*

I still remember the Wimblecrowd bursting into “easy. easy” when he won his second Derby.  Amazing.
What must it be like to realise that you have a pup who’s shown you his absolute brilliance before you even trial him officially.  Must be a special feeling.

My favourite period
2007-2012 just after the hawk

Kinda easy done my antepost leger
Zack What white dog he was
Raving pace lol

Crown rover Jimmy dog
Another fantastic dog won me moneys

590 trip at belle vue

Great times dogs about than

Sunderland festival second and none

@horationelson...no it was not me who backed a golfer at 1.01!! Not my game that.

In the early days of Betfair I used to lay 1.03 for five ort six horses in big fields sprints hoping to be matched on at least two of them! Worked for a while but then, as with all on here, many others started the same thing. But no, never backed at 1.01 in anything.

Re-reading this thread....surely there is no dispute that Scur. Champ was the most eye catching runner of all time?

I truly believe he was taking the p*ss sometimes!

Miles behind and then roared through - and then one night, cannot recall where, a huge crowd turned up to see him and he bolted out of the traps and led all the way!!!

@ The Knight.....My apologies...I have must have previous usernames mixed up

Then the other, rarely mentioned, night when he,……..stopped chasing.

Yes, against Ballyregan Bob (and was it two others, or just a match?) at Wembley in a 12k to the winner one-off race sponsored by John Power.

Scu. Champ was surely close to human! Saw BB fly off that night and though 'S*d this, no chance of catching him so what's the point!!!'

BTW. I think it was at Oxford when SC flew out of the boxes to lead all the way...

There was 4 runners in the race. Glenowen Queen & Track Man were the other 2 both very useful in their own right.

@ Horatio Nelson

I think that was the user 'Knight Commander' on here? I vaguely remember it. I also could be wrong though, but that rings a bell

I think you are spot on @ JPSER

Mick the Miller remains the only dog the general public can name.

I was there for the John power Showdown , I'm convinced THE champ seen Bob on parade ,and thought fook that for a game of Soldiers ..

Big call Dan , was a Hero to the British Public back in the day , I seen him in the Flesh , sadly Dead in the natural History Musuem ,

Not sure where he is now .. Can you Imagine a Super Greyhound being put on display in a museum these days

I will Add  HOLDEM SPY , Never a GOAT , But he was the peoples Champ for a Couple of years , We need dogs that have a Following

We have one at the Moment Mongys Wild dog looks  Unbeatable over 700 Meters  plus , Mr wallis says was sickness in the Kennel

hope he comes back OK , Was looking forward to him in the Dorando tonight , he is a very very special Dog Anyone know what the Mark Wallis group paid for him ?

cant believe Mr Holland would have let him Go cheap .......  its early Days but well placed he could run up a sequence , Who or what  beats Him ?

Think the reasoning to sell was the lack of long distance races in Ireland, he was indeed a bargain if the amount I heard was correct £15k.

The question of GOAT is, obviously, subjective and everyone will have their personal opinions.
Bob was unbeatable over a ‘proper’ six bends - nothing rarely, if ever, got even close to him over that trip.
However, I was at Walthamstow when he ran down Ballintubber One over 475m.
I honestly believe that he could’ve won a Derby, Leger AND TV Trophy.
He was the most majestic greyhound in full flow and I feel privileged to have been a regular race goer when he and
Scurlogue were around.
Whilst I fully appreciate ‘The Champ’s’ enigmatic running style understandably drew the crowds (and I too followed him),
he wasn’t, in my humble opinion in the same league as Ballyregan Bob - who was as close as I’ve ever seen to the perfect racing greyhound.

I agree and it was only the closure of White City which convinced conns. not to run him at Wimbledon, who took it over  They considered the track unsuitable for him apparently.

The "best ever" question is almost impossible to answer.

Across any sport, across any era it is impossible to have a concrete answer because there are always far too many imponderables.

Pele? Maradonna? Ronaldo? Messi?
Federer? Nadal? Djokovic?
Woods? Nicholas?
Bradman? Tendulkar? Lara? Anderson? Root? Kholi?


It's the impossible question that cannot be answered in my opinion

Some great names there Horatio - but none of them would’ve got close to Bob over 655m at Wembley!

Agreed AS

Mick the Miller's stuffed body used to be on display at the Natural Histoery Museum in Kensington, but then he was moved to their smaller premises at Tring in Hertfordshire. Hopefully he is still there but a search of their Tring site shows no results. I fear 'wokeness' may have led to him being removed from public display.

Aladdin, yes, I, too, was at Wal'stow when BR beat Ballintubber One over the 475m. A video of that race is on YouTube.

BR was the most majestic greyhound I have ever seen and the way he powered past the very fast B'Tubber One at the Stow that night was awe inspiring. Second until just after the last bend, he then lengthens into full stride and the deal was done.

Lastly, just been reading a book about the sporting summer in England of 1934. An Englishman won Wimbledon (Fred Perry) and also the Open Golf  (Henry Cotton). The book also looks at how England played against the Aussies at cricket that summer. But what amazed me was just how prolific Don Bradman was as a batsman. His figures and performance defied belief and, to my mind, puts him top of any list of batsman.

Ballyregan Bob was the greatest greyhound of all time.

15 K,  A great Price Glasgow ,The Dog is something Else IMO , great to watch

Guessing they are going for a shot at the Regency in july. ??

BALLINISKA BAND - 1977 Derby winner at White City. Equalled the track record in the final and one of the few dogs to go through the competition unbeaten.

Premier Fantasy very fast dog. I'd love a 3 dog betting trial with him westmead hawk and ballyregan bob in Dublin, they wouldn't see were he went.

https://www.greyhound-data.com/play.htm?video=/video/IE/SPK/2004/SPK-2004-04...

Hawk wasn’t just as brilliant at SPk as he was over here, imo.  He’d still take a hell of a beating though.

yes the hawk didn't run shelbourne as well as anticipated, regardless premier fantasy was far superior hound to Mineola farloe and droopys maldini, very fast dogs no doubts, but premier fantasy was class above

It is no big deal other people might have different opinions but I think PF was best dog I watched, although I loved college causeway, probably because I won fortunes off him.

“Here comes the Causeway”!

Yep and he had a very good tool to pull in and primed to go and well trained, magnificent performance but i don't think he would have came and done pf, no chance.

absolutely gobsmacked that no mention of toms the best not saying he is the greatest but only hound to win english and irish derby my personal call is ballyregan bob the dog was unreal

Very very good hound alright Tom's the best, I had wee pup out him as sire, not great, but not bad definitely, had his traits in genuine and running power late, however larkhill jo put him in his place in Glasgow, same trainer I think.

I remember when Westpark Mustard was running at Wembley to equal the record for the number of consecutive wins,they showed the race live on the BBC Nine o'clock news.Those were the days.

bockos done 16.84 in cork trial at weekend, ok it was a solo, but fierce run indeed

Hope your Keeping Well  Rory , Long time mate , are you still going to the Derby ? We never missed a Derby meet at the Don



Another Great Bitch

Dolores Rocket won the Spring Cup over 700 yards at Wimbledon Stadium, set a track record at Crayford & Bexleyheath Stadium before victory in the Wembley Spring Cup.[3] After seasonal rest she headed for the 1971 English Greyhound Derby and won the competition and became the first bitch to win the Derby since 1949.

After the Derby she broke the track record at Romford Greyhound Stadium when winning the Essex Vase on 6 July and broke the 700 yard track record at Wimbledon on 26 July. Later in 1971 she also won the St Leger at Wembley and reached the Cesarewitch final at West Ham Stadium. She earned £15,044 in career prize money which constituted a new record.

That’s easy …..
Dead heat

Scurlogue champ for his audacity

Ballyregan Bob for his sheer class