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From 1998.
Bookmakers around the country were yesterday counting the cost of a partially successful betting coup involving the publication of incorrect greyhound racing results in the Racing Post newspaper.
The results of four races at Saturday night's meetings at Reading and Yarmouth were tampered with before publication of yesterday's edition of the paper and resulted in bookmakers in east Yorkshire and London paying out thousands of pounds in incorrect w innings.
However, the unusual pattern of bets placed caused an investigation among layers, most of whom withheld payment.
The newspaper itself has launched an investigation, with the Metropolitan Police being asked to look at the matter.
A statement was last night issued to the Press Association by Alan Byrne, the Racing Post's editor.
It said: "We have asked the Metropolitan Police to investigate the circumstances surrounding the publication of incorrect results for four greyhound races in Monday's Racing Post.
"The results of the races two at Yarmouth on Saturday and two at Reading on the same evening were received correctly from the Press Association. The data for the four races (the names of three winners and one starting price) appears to have been tampered with prior to publication.
"After being alerted by the betting industry to an unusual pattern of betting on the races in question, we conducted an internal investigation this morning. Following completion of that initial investigation, it was decided to inform the Metropolitan Pol ice immediately of our concerns."There has never been a similar incident in the 12-year history of the Racing Post. Steps are being taken further to safeguard the integrity of the enormous amount of data on greyhound racing which appears every day in the Racing Post."
Possibly the biggest sufferer was independent layer Janet Alexander, who trades under the name Ted Hornby Racing in the small coastal town of Withernsea, near Hull.
Staff at the tiny shop paid out pounds 2,000 on a pounds 10 treble to a mystery punter who arrived at the premises soon after opening time. Mrs Alexander said: "My manageress checked the results in the Post and thought they were genuine. The bet wasn't u nusual to us because being in a seaside town, we have visitors from all over the country and take dog bets at all meetings."
The same bet was attempted at Hulased Rossy Brothers at their shop in Hedon, 14 miles inland from Withernsea.
It is believed the same punter came to collect his "winnings", however, the shop had insufficient funds to pay him out and though asked to return to be paid out, he failed to do so.
Several Coral shops in the Essex area were also targeted in the scam.
Bets on the races were placed in Barking, Dagenham and Romford but staff were alerted when a manager became suspicious.
"The bets were mainly small stakes of between pounds 2.50 and pounds 10 on doubles, trebles and accumulators and we paid out a couple of hundred pounds," said the firm's spokesman Malcolm Palmer.
"But after a conversation with a colleague one of our managers became suspicious and informed head office."
William Hill spokesman Graham Sharpe said the company had laid "a couple of bets" in both Hull and north London, adding: "The problem is that without the Sporting Life there is no way of cross-checking the results at these provincial meetings."
A spokeswoman at the Scotland Yard press office said last night: "Police at Limehouse police station have received an informal allegation of a possible deception. It has not yet been formally reported as a crime."
Bookmakers around the country were yesterday counting the cost of a partially successful betting coup involving the publication of incorrect greyhound racing results in the Racing Post newspaper.
The results of four races at Saturday night's meetings at Reading and Yarmouth were tampered with before publication of yesterday's edition of the paper and resulted in bookmakers in east Yorkshire and London paying out thousands of pounds in incorrect w innings.
However, the unusual pattern of bets placed caused an investigation among layers, most of whom withheld payment.
The newspaper itself has launched an investigation, with the Metropolitan Police being asked to look at the matter.
A statement was last night issued to the Press Association by Alan Byrne, the Racing Post's editor.
It said: "We have asked the Metropolitan Police to investigate the circumstances surrounding the publication of incorrect results for four greyhound races in Monday's Racing Post.
"The results of the races two at Yarmouth on Saturday and two at Reading on the same evening were received correctly from the Press Association. The data for the four races (the names of three winners and one starting price) appears to have been tampered with prior to publication.
"After being alerted by the betting industry to an unusual pattern of betting on the races in question, we conducted an internal investigation this morning. Following completion of that initial investigation, it was decided to inform the Metropolitan Pol ice immediately of our concerns."There has never been a similar incident in the 12-year history of the Racing Post. Steps are being taken further to safeguard the integrity of the enormous amount of data on greyhound racing which appears every day in the Racing Post."
Possibly the biggest sufferer was independent layer Janet Alexander, who trades under the name Ted Hornby Racing in the small coastal town of Withernsea, near Hull.
Staff at the tiny shop paid out pounds 2,000 on a pounds 10 treble to a mystery punter who arrived at the premises soon after opening time. Mrs Alexander said: "My manageress checked the results in the Post and thought they were genuine. The bet wasn't u nusual to us because being in a seaside town, we have visitors from all over the country and take dog bets at all meetings."
The same bet was attempted at Hulased Rossy Brothers at their shop in Hedon, 14 miles inland from Withernsea.
It is believed the same punter came to collect his "winnings", however, the shop had insufficient funds to pay him out and though asked to return to be paid out, he failed to do so.
Several Coral shops in the Essex area were also targeted in the scam.
Bets on the races were placed in Barking, Dagenham and Romford but staff were alerted when a manager became suspicious.
"The bets were mainly small stakes of between pounds 2.50 and pounds 10 on doubles, trebles and accumulators and we paid out a couple of hundred pounds," said the firm's spokesman Malcolm Palmer.
"But after a conversation with a colleague one of our managers became suspicious and informed head office."
William Hill spokesman Graham Sharpe said the company had laid "a couple of bets" in both Hull and north London, adding: "The problem is that without the Sporting Life there is no way of cross-checking the results at these provincial meetings."
A spokeswoman at the Scotland Yard press office said last night: "Police at Limehouse police station have received an informal allegation of a possible deception. It has not yet been formally reported as a crime."
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Shocking way of writing,didnt they have a £ on their keyboard/printer,all very amateurish.
remember this well......heard on the grape vine back then.....jonathan kay and jimmy austin had it right off...well attempted 2
At Hackney in the 80s I think, when there was an attempted scam, but forget the details.
There was a new Anglo-Irish Invitation race at Hackney Wick between 3 Irish & 3 English dogs.
The Irish dogs were trialled using duff ringers, who trialled in very averagely.
3 Irish flying machines lined up for the actual race, and finished 1,2,3 but the skulduggery was discovered
and bets were held.
Can you remember this case Sparrow ?
There was a new Anglo-Irish Invitation race at Hackney Wick between 3 Irish & 3 English dogs.
The Irish dogs were trialled using duff ringers, who trialled in very averagely.
3 Irish flying machines lined up for the actual race, and finished 1,2,3 but the skulduggery was discovered
and bets were held.
Can you remember this case Sparrow ?
No Rothman I can't, despite being brought up in Hackney I was in Yorkshire by 1970 yet ought to have known about that.
My greatest memory was the Dagenham Coup of 1964 whilst working for Maxie Parker's betting shop in Poland Street Central London. £987+ for a 2 shilling forecast!! but they never got paid as Barry Dennis will tell you. 
One of only a couple of tracks I never got to, but goug to afternoon meetings there were never too
many there, so easy to work a coup.
We managed to fix the Stow tote every meeting, so can be done if you know what to do
many there, so easy to work a coup.
We managed to fix the Stow tote every meeting, so can be done if you know what to do
My most memorable meeting was at Wembley over 710m.
Round the 2nd last bend, Scurlogue was about 30L behind Jet Circle, and got to win a length or so.
People watched the replay, and most of us didn't think it would get up , even knowing it did get up.
Unbelievable performance.
Every time the dog ran, they had sold out of programs before the first race, and that was when dog
racing was the 2nd best attended sport - after fishing
Round the 2nd last bend, Scurlogue was about 30L behind Jet Circle, and got to win a length or so.
People watched the replay, and most of us didn't think it would get up , even knowing it did get up.
Unbelievable performance.
Every time the dog ran, they had sold out of programs before the first race, and that was when dog
racing was the 2nd best attended sport - after fishing
Cheer that goes up down the back electric
Than it stops dead than roar comes again
In the back straight
I’d that wouldn’t make your hairs stand on end than nothing would Well
Befor my time but like only fools
Can’t enough them vids
Than it stops dead than roar comes again
In the back straight
I’d that wouldn’t make your hairs stand on end than nothing would Well
Befor my time but like only fools
Can’t enough them vids
I posted that video a couple of days ago on the racing needs to resume thread. Scurlogue was probably the greatest attraction our sport has ever seen and ever likely to see.
This was one of my favourites
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAkJ9h-MPTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAkJ9h-MPTo
Freaky
It’s like 450-500 in button switch on inside him double the speed
Like watching Frankel double the stride of anythink
It’s like 450-500 in button switch on inside him double the speed
Like watching Frankel double the stride of anythink
i started going to shawfield in 85 when i was 12 and i am sure scurlogue ran at shawfield then,i go back often and watch the vids on youtube because it just shows you how exciting greyhound racing is,i know he was a one off but what a superstar.
the dog was either the freakiest thing ever seen or
feck knows
feck knows
He was a just a brilliant dog who was very intelligent and decided after a while that he would do what he wanted to do. In that Wimbledon video I posted he seemed to stop chasing altogether then at the 6th bend appeared to change his mind and race. I believe at the time some tracks would offer connections appearance money just to run in their marathons.
sparrow I have only ever seen one other dog with the will to win from behind the hawk
Very different in their attitudes though as Scurlogue had very much a mind of his own. Sometimes the champ would even decide to be up their early on in his races as some of the videos show. Despite watching greyhounds since the 1950s I had never seen anything like him before or since and not likely to either.
I'm sure a friend of mine told me back in the day that Ken Peckham bought the dog out of a Scottish flapper , so that
has now been confirmed, Privatehire.
I presume it was in a handicap, as much scots racing is of that type.
has now been confirmed, Privatehire.
I presume it was in a handicap, as much scots racing is of that type.
Rothman.....Wikipedia says the following if it's to be beleved.
Scurlogue Champ was a black dog whelped in July 1982 by Sand Man, out of Old Rip. He was bred by Francis Kent from Levittstown, County Wexford and was one of a litter of six dogs and two bitches. He moved to John Byrne on a farm where he received his name before being sold to Jim Sutton, who reared him.
After several races in Ireland he was put up for sale at the May 1984 Shelbourne Park sales. Owner/trainer Ken Peckham took him to England, after agreeing a price for £1,700, with Irish trainer Brendan Matthews who had won the sales bidding at 1500 guineas
Scurlogue Champ was a black dog whelped in July 1982 by Sand Man, out of Old Rip. He was bred by Francis Kent from Levittstown, County Wexford and was one of a litter of six dogs and two bitches. He moved to John Byrne on a farm where he received his name before being sold to Jim Sutton, who reared him.
After several races in Ireland he was put up for sale at the May 1984 Shelbourne Park sales. Owner/trainer Ken Peckham took him to England, after agreeing a price for £1,700, with Irish trainer Brendan Matthews who had won the sales bidding at 1500 guineas
the sad thing is if he was running now you would hardly get a race to run him in
Rothman i was at ashfield to back a dog for ngrc trainer. There were several supporting opens. He won the long race. Bus load with him.
At that time on scottish flaps u could get huge amounts of money on. John mcgee was with ken peckham. They got there few quid n skulked back over border. garryc is 100% correct. The marathon division very poor these days. My best mate had leg in roxholme magic. He will tell u it was a complete waste of time owning her. Thrilling wen she won. Couldn,t get a race for her. Cant remember who posted wen i was at charlies suncrest sail an spring rose charlie used to get a monkey wen they were in there pomp. Tracks would ring us up and beg us to enter. Crowdpullers. Not many if any these days.
At that time on scottish flaps u could get huge amounts of money on. John mcgee was with ken peckham. They got there few quid n skulked back over border. garryc is 100% correct. The marathon division very poor these days. My best mate had leg in roxholme magic. He will tell u it was a complete waste of time owning her. Thrilling wen she won. Couldn,t get a race for her. Cant remember who posted wen i was at charlies suncrest sail an spring rose charlie used to get a monkey wen they were in there pomp. Tracks would ring us up and beg us to enter. Crowdpullers. Not many if any these days.
private...The industry no longer understands what the ordinary racegoer prefers to see and if tracks won't cater for distance racers then the breeders will not bother either. I have all but given up the game I once loved and it's a crying shame.
Just my opinion sparrow. The introduction of american and australian breeding has ruined our game. Irish lines were toughened by the odd coursing line. As u know i was a kennelhand for 30 yrs. Them australian dogs most aint worth a sausage. If they get led they lie down. Thats my opinion an i 100% believe it. Yes they are great wen they are of the front. Wen they,re behind not worth a carrot. Trainers spent to much time an money trying to find out y there charge ran so bad thinking it was lame wen all they were were gutless. These opinions are my own.
private...It might well be the case as you put it but you would know much more than I about the breeding side of things. Were you involved when it was all grass tracks and if so which did you prefer grass or turf?
As a spectacle grass all day long. Grass imo was ok during summer months winter north of the border with extremes of weather much harder to maintain. Powderhall had undersoil heating which was massive advantage. I believe the sand is much easier to maintain. U got 2 entirely different types of injuries from both surfaces. Toes wrist injuries more prevalent imo on grass. With introduction of sand u got the dreaded sandburn with the amount of racing these days nye on impossible to keep on top of.
My thoughts on sand is the amount of different biases that occur. On grass you only seemed to have rain that affected the going but on sand it varies tremendously and as we all well know can be easily manipulated by the tractors. On a banked grass track following heavy rain you could just forget about railers.
Interesting to hear about the different types of injuries sustained which I hadn't really thought about and probably should have done.
Interesting to hear about the different types of injuries sustained which I hadn't really thought about and probably should have done.
im old I am not thick well I don't think I am
but how the hell does a tractor going round create a bias
oh and before some bright spark mentions the bowser
please enlighten me
but how the hell does a tractor going round create a bias
oh and before some bright spark mentions the bowser
please enlighten me
So wedge you are saying that the bowser makes no difference to the track going?
The point I was making wedge was the difference between a bias on the grass and a bias on the sand whereby a sand bias can be altered at anytime during a meeting by the bowser.
sparrow a bowser is on the end of a tractor watering the surface the same amount is evenly dispersed
a rake on the back levels the sand
where does a bias occur
because like I stated I must be thick
a rake on the back levels the sand
where does a bias occur
because like I stated I must be thick
Come on now wedge I must have seen a dozen threads on here complaining about this very subject. Anyway, if you think it makes no difference then fair enough.
When it's p1ssing down, some tracks heavily favour the outside traps. Sunderland the best example of this imo. Can only assume with these tracks the water drains to the centre of the track, therefore making the inside 'heavy' for want of a better term. A heavily bowsered track could easily replicate this if need be. Just my opinion.
At Hackney Wick on a Saturday morning, I used to go over to look at the back straight.
On the finishing side, the inside would look fast but down the back it was watered heavy.
As a rule, one should not bet on the first few races, until a bias is shown.
That having been said, I only backed in the Open Marathons which were usually very late
on the card. Also bias meant nothing to the likes of Salina, Poor Sue et al.
On the finishing side, the inside would look fast but down the back it was watered heavy.
As a rule, one should not bet on the first few races, until a bias is shown.
That having been said, I only backed in the Open Marathons which were usually very late
on the card. Also bias meant nothing to the likes of Salina, Poor Sue et al.
Scurlogue when he run at Harringay the first time one of the faces said this is some dog put your money on it will not get beat.
After the first lap we all looked at him and thought what a pcik putting us on this thing needless to say second time around he took off and we all looked at one another and said wow what a dog.
You would have had to have been there to fully appreciate how fast he was traveling down that back straight.
After the first lap we all looked at him and thought what a pcik putting us on this thing needless to say second time around he took off and we all looked at one another and said wow what a dog.
You would have had to have been there to fully appreciate how fast he was traveling down that back straight.
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