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Not being made till the derby lunch wednesday. Farcical.
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Ye wonders coz they put the money in they got to much say. Depends how it plays out with middle an wides jimmys gona know wot box he,s got.
from his point of view ph he'll want as much as the rails early left in the comp knocked out as he can get
Absolutely comical!!
It doesn't suit the sponsors as bookmakers will want the drawn know as soon as possible as they'll get less traffic without it known.
Connections will want to know as soon as possible as well.
It's just comical.
It doesn't suit the sponsors as bookmakers will want the drawn know as soon as possible as they'll get less traffic without it known.
Connections will want to know as soon as possible as well.
It's just comical.
Ye wonders. I,m verves biggest fan. Dont want him avin to back run anything. Especially the floppy eared dog.
assuming verve qualifys.
assuming verve qualifys.
No logical reason for it, surely it's in
Everyone's benefit to announce the draw
As soon as possible.?
Everyone's benefit to announce the draw
As soon as possible.?
Not an inconcievable scenario. 1 wide gets thru n 1 middle. So they get trap 5 n trap 6 n the 4 railers are left stewing. How can that be right.
Don't know what all the fuss is about. Think lunch used to be Monday but they'll be betting anyway. Draws don't make a be all and end all tremendous difference to odds. Argue all you like. Hills had betting after the third heat of the quarters!
Agree though, earlier the better for all concerned really
Agree though, earlier the better for all concerned really
well that has to be about the stupidist statement i,ve read on this forum. U defo get the gold medal for that 1.
‘Draws don’t make a be all and end all tremendous difference to odds’
Maybe not Woody but in a one off race, such as the Derby final, anyone betting on the race will be swayed by the draw clearly.
Maybe not Woody but in a one off race, such as the Derby final, anyone betting on the race will be swayed by the draw clearly.
Jesus fkin wept, draws don't make much difference to the odds.
Take up bridge will ya ffs, or maybe something more on your level, a game of snap.
Take up bridge will ya ffs, or maybe something more on your level, a game of snap.
Good one that woody
Pf up with the lark for honest day work 20s
Getting in from a bender 1-5
No gl fella with the game I’m sure the hounds be turned on in background
The scully I work with was dressed for game last night
When left the office out of munchester 5.55 this morn
3.30 flight home straight back for office
11 Sunday for bank holiday meetings
Legend!
Pf up with the lark for honest day work 20s
Getting in from a bender 1-5
No gl fella with the game I’m sure the hounds be turned on in background
The scully I work with was dressed for game last night
When left the office out of munchester 5.55 this morn
3.30 flight home straight back for office
11 Sunday for bank holiday meetings
Legend!
He has been getting us all at it over the years, no one could honestly be that thick
jesus lads poor start to the day for ya'swas tucked up in bed by 10:30 last night, early start this morning - get tonight out of the way (semis and that small game in Kiev, wonder how they'd take it in boozer if I got them to flick over to channel 431 at 9.06 and 9.22) and then off for a few days in the sun b4 hitting the UK for final weekend
haha Fattie am sat here in a Liverpool top as well, scarf on back of chair ready for later, I know you're secretly cheering us on
You all might scoff but watch the early betting before the draw. After the draw, there will be little difference 
Scenario 1
Rising Brandy
King Elvis
Dorotas Wildcat
Drive On Tipp
Droopys Verve (m)
Whoops Jack (w)
Scenario 2
Dorotas Wildcat
King Elvis
Rising Brandy
Drive On Tipp
Droopys Verve (m)
Whoops Jack (w)
same dogs different draw, if you cannot deduce there would be a big difference in Wildcat's price in them 2 scenarios you really should not be gambling.
Rising Brandy
King Elvis
Dorotas Wildcat
Drive On Tipp
Droopys Verve (m)
Whoops Jack (w)
Scenario 2
Dorotas Wildcat
King Elvis
Rising Brandy
Drive On Tipp
Droopys Verve (m)
Whoops Jack (w)
same dogs different draw, if you cannot deduce there would be a big difference in Wildcat's price in them 2 scenarios you really should not be gambling.
Okay. Think lunch Wednesday coz of Monday's Bank Holiday. Tradition draw done at Derby lunch. If Monday was a normal day, you'd all stop whinging!
what tradition?
As long as I can remember the draw was done after the semi finals, well it has been that way for over 10 years now
As long as I can remember the draw was done after the semi finals, well it has been that way for over 10 years now
It's obvious Elvis moves off and Wildcat best on rails but the way you all nit-pick about this might move 6 inches off there and that one move in 4 inches there, that's what's farcical!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09_dch3M65E
6 inches - it's pointless conversing with you, you will always be a total mug I am afraid
6 inches - it's pointless conversing with you, you will always be a total mug I am afraid
Back in the day, draw was always done at the lunch?
Okay, draws count for everything. Fast start or missed break cant offset a draw
Okay, draws count for everything. Fast start or missed break cant offset a draw
nobody said they count for everything ffs, they're very important though and are one of the factors that determine the dogs price which a toddler could understand but you don't
anyway you keep backing badly drawn dogs at bad prices (ala Wildcat in the Gold Cup final), whatever makes you happy
anyway you keep backing badly drawn dogs at bad prices (ala Wildcat in the Gold Cup final), whatever makes you happy
A draw can put you onto or off a dog but I like away, clear and gone - so not as important, imo
Anyway, you said you've been doing lots of mopping up on Wildcat despite well off the rails in his semi?
Anyway, you said you've been doing lots of mopping up on Wildcat despite well off the rails in his semi?
Aye because he doesn't have no King Elvis or King Turbo inside him like that final, he has already torn Wildfire Legend apart to the corner in round 2 and will clear Brusiers Bullet as well easy so long as he doesn't make a total tit of the start.
Reading the paper it looks as tho kevin ackerman the guilty party in this so called ( initiative) wot a cant.
Hobbsy gives it a thumbs up, surprise surprise
May 26, 2018 -- 10:25AM, privatehire wrote:
Reading the paper it looks as tho kevin ackerman the guilty party in this so called ( initiative) wot a cant.
aye ackerman is 1 of the merry band of moonmen
well that's in says Enzo, they've covered it so no more on the issue 
Wouldn,t it be nice if the were all adrift in the pacific in a dinghy. U come along in ur fighter bomber and unleash an exocet.Bliss.
like flapping open one offs. draw for traps when in the paddock before race.
He might be full of splinters
Sat on few fences
But top bloke nicest fella you could meet
Sat on few fences
But top bloke nicest fella you could meet
Think I said on here before that I've no problem with him not rocking the boat and looking after his job, after all he has a family he has to provide for and has no allegiance to any of us on here or other forums, he is doing what the vast majority of people would do.
Some stick is fair game though, part and parcel when you're on the tv / part of the press as long as it don't go too far.
Some stick is fair game though, part and parcel when you're on the tv / part of the press as long as it don't go too far.
If he does not have an opinion and never criticises anyone or anything then naturally he going to come across as a nice bloke
That or either he is a robot
But he can't be a robot as would break all them fences he sits on
Good my h key is broken as sits might have come out different
That or either he is a robot
But he can't be a robot as would break all them fences he sits on
Good my h key is broken as sits might have come out different
if a dog gets a certain draw i can see leading if not turning very handy and people will think i am of my head but this is towcester anything can happen at these traps
Think it can lead up than got take 100/1 split pot dr even for insanity bet if he smashed out
Can see fast track
Wallis can get them out he got freak ping break he’s shown that befor
6/1 best like to see a stat on where best breaks come from
You defo want him inside wildcat gl can see your thinking
Can’t have wildcat beat got 1 2 3
Bitten your arm off befor derby started
For that my two worry’s of Elvis or brandy inside
Him have gone
Not long now can’t wait to see what’s in our supporting races
I’m in handy place with plate and hurdle
Backed solo 11-4 for intertrack
Can see fast track
Wallis can get them out he got freak ping break he’s shown that befor
6/1 best like to see a stat on where best breaks come from
You defo want him inside wildcat gl can see your thinking
Can’t have wildcat beat got 1 2 3
Bitten your arm off befor derby started
For that my two worry’s of Elvis or brandy inside
Him have gone
Not long now can’t wait to see what’s in our supporting races
I’m in handy place with plate and hurdle
Backed solo 11-4 for intertrack
Very interesting final
Wildcat holds the key to the race if he doesn’t lead Whoops jack he can’t win he will just throw his head up in the air and bring Verve and Bruisers into the race,Verve doesn’t have any experience in behind dogs which would be a massive concern that leaves Bruisers who should at worst turn 4th but we know he has that 514 sectional in him which would more than likely hold Verve. You then have the magician Listers dog Vic and you’d say Wallis 2nd string Bomber who both are capable but may need help uptop. It’s a much better final than last year and it looks like everything will be going straight to the bend which is a plus.
The trainers that have made the final what can you say Wallis and Lister have done it, Cronin has been there and knows how to prep a dog. The Harrison’s know how to do a dog but will this is a different ball game and then you have Hutton with the Wildcat. The dog yet to win a Cat 1 which would be a shame for a dog with that early but question marks now around the dogs temperament.
Wildcat holds the key to the race if he doesn’t lead Whoops jack he can’t win he will just throw his head up in the air and bring Verve and Bruisers into the race,Verve doesn’t have any experience in behind dogs which would be a massive concern that leaves Bruisers who should at worst turn 4th but we know he has that 514 sectional in him which would more than likely hold Verve. You then have the magician Listers dog Vic and you’d say Wallis 2nd string Bomber who both are capable but may need help uptop. It’s a much better final than last year and it looks like everything will be going straight to the bend which is a plus.
The trainers that have made the final what can you say Wallis and Lister have done it, Cronin has been there and knows how to prep a dog. The Harrison’s know how to do a dog but will this is a different ball game and then you have Hutton with the Wildcat. The dog yet to win a Cat 1 which would be a shame for a dog with that early but question marks now around the dogs temperament.
I disagree that wildcat has to lead to win but I agree he is the key to the race
starting from the boxes & then after that what mood he's in
with an adequate break he will lead the inside
there is no doubt that sometimes he facks about in front and yet other times he's a hard rabbit chaser
a poor start from wildcat should mean jack goes round in front and we could see a similar race to the semi, possibly with something else picking them both off
put it this way I'd want to be on a lead change in the final @ evens
starting from the boxes & then after that what mood he's in
with an adequate break he will lead the inside
there is no doubt that sometimes he facks about in front and yet other times he's a hard rabbit chaser
a poor start from wildcat should mean jack goes round in front and we could see a similar race to the semi, possibly with something else picking them both off
put it this way I'd want to be on a lead change in the final @ evens
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