WELL DONE ROMFORD MANAGEMENT AND ROMFORD BOOKMAKERS YOU HAVE RUINED THE BETTING RING

think by the end of the year the track might have no bookmakers left

why wouldnt you have B/F if you were an on course book, romfords ruined nothing, maybe b/f has, thats another argument.

they were taking between 20,000 and 30,000 and over sometimes on a friday night when they were not using betfair they started using betfair and are lucky to take between 4,000 and 6,000 also they took more on a monday and weds.people who were betting with them are now using betfair because they are betting so bad.and the track are to blame for taking romford off rptv on weds and changing racing times on weds and also starting the races early on fridays the track will be gone very soon and that's down to coral

the 20 grand to 30 grand they were taking,
had that anything to arbing?

nope because they went their own prices couple of the books took 80pound on a race friday and i saw roger went home early

so they were taking between 20 and 30 grand on a friday when they were not using betfair.
so they started using betfair and the taking went down.
does not really make sense

because people were punting with the books because the prices were better now they all look on betfair and just follow so all the punters who were getting value on friday now use betfair

fair piont
but as you well know, once bookies, anywhere, start putting prices up that are shorther on betfair, that will attract arbers.
i should know, had the problem at the stow.
and obiviousely if you are putting up bigger prices that there are on betfair,
your turnover will go up

yes fair enough some people did arb and the books were happy to do so for a long while, a bookmaker like the late harry greenwood was getting a good living from the place betting everyone to a certain amount plus the like of a certain punter who bets 3 in a race would turn up and bet every race for lumps now that's all gone because no one would go over the betfair price

certain punter who bets 3 in a race would turn up and bet every race for lumps now that's all gone because no one would go over the betfair price

and were all 3 dogs bigger on betfair?

i mean shorther on betfair?

starship you can't compare walthamstow bags to romford don't be silly

they would be on the mark or slightly under but he played every race and done his money 7-10 times

The management should not let the arbers in the betting ring if the books want to give the owners and connections a bit of value they should lay who want to or knock the arbers back they would shet themselves if they had to stand one or better still make them pay a pitch fee like the books that is what has killed the betting ring

on the night that was

well it's killed romford betting ring having exchanges on the joint

starship if you want to make a comeback at romford standing up think you stand a good chance

arbers are rightly shown the door but bookies have no right to complain when their turnover is well down when they are getting their card marked off here for free

we play a game up the office at romford,
instead of spot the ball,
we play, spot the punter

think some people missing the point when the bookmakers bet without the exchanges and done their own card yes they made ricks but they took a lot more money and if all the arbs had won we would have no bookmakers left now it's very rare for them to make ricks and when the have 6t1 on the board and the dogs 12t1 what do they expect the punters to do well the punters now have betfair on their phones and don't bet with them

i told roger barton when the books got exchanges the betting ring would end up like hove and i was right

say for arguement sake you could bar betfair from the track.
and no one allowed in could use their mobile and all laptops were banned.
then maybe if this could be enforced and it is a big IF,
then yes it could go back to the old days, bookies verus punters

it,s too late for the romford betting ring track will be gone by 2020 anyway like to know what the track will do if 3 of the 4 books turn it in

Simple question if the books were doing ok prior to betfair then why change.... there only chance surely must be to get rid of it now before it comes the norm..... as you say I think people accept the books got to pay the rent e.t.c but nobody is going to take 6-1 a 12-1 chance

you cannot lay overs in the romford betting ring and win as a layer in the long run FACT

unless of course you think romford betting ring prices are THE market in which case you would be [borderline senile and] laying the unders on here

it does not matter how much more money they take by going overs and whether certain dogs win or lose, backing or laying bets with negative expectation means you eventually end up in the job centre queue monday morning

the romford bookmakers always played the same way get the front 2 in the book

now i should say the late harry greenwood knew what he was doing old time bookmaker knew the figs he had on the board the other 3 well less said the better

They should change the name of arbers to parasite any way

question doc

race at romford, front 2 are 13/8 and 15/8 on here
bookie goes 6/4 and 7/4 and hardly takes a bet
he knows if he goes 7/4 and 2/1 he will see action

do you think that going 7/4 and 2/1 to get the front 2 in the book will work in 2017?

These days how many dogs will they get in the book...........3?

they will get all 6 in if they go overs on all 6

Well they can't bet to around 110% can they.

Well I would rather see characters like Roger Barton in the ring than a bet fair terminal that's what it will finish up with if you are not careful

wonders at romford could work only because of the results they get on the graded card

wonders at romford could work only because of the results they get on the graded card

The game as we all knew it as long gone .. In fact its on its death bed .

So you can stand in the ring and have better odds on betfair using your mobile or stay at home and get the free stream and have a bet at better odds on betfair or you would like to return to old days where you can stand in the jungle ring fighting to get on a dog that everyone else wants? Look at Shiners thread before you all carry on slating betfair. If you are any good you will win more with betfair than anywhere else. I don't know if Dr Atkins is winning but he does not stop complaining. If you were in a regular job you would jack it in and find something that makes you happy.

i am not moaning its greyhound racing at romford in 2017.please don't start about betting on betfair the days of getting dogs that were 4t1 into 2t1 are long gone you will find you will have to take 2t1 dogs that were 4t1 on the earlys and that's not my game and i would go skint yes

agree with you on 11.31 post doc

there is no happy answer,if you are good you will be shut down and the only place you can get on is betfair, its a killer but if you can only get the 2/1 when its 4/1 on earlies you just need to make sure its still value,its a lot harder but still easy enough to make money,as for betfair killing the betting ring its a double edged sword ,old days in the ring you could bet anything but odds where not what they are now ,in the long run i think you are better with betfair although its killing the atmosphere at stadiums which we will never get back

All this talk about the good old days in the ring but they were betting to much greater margins than on betfair now. Where was this value everyone was getting?

I am getting confused with this thread.....one minute its punters taking 12 a 6/1 shot then days are gone of getting value.......any dog backed during the day will be fully exposed for the night meeting no matter if its betfair or bookmakers....what has early prices to do with betfair at night....im completely lost.......

is that right roger threw his stand on the floor Friday night
half way through meeting and went home  ?

Hi guys I have for some time now realised that in the bags meetings at tracks controlled by the big bookmakers I have a bet at seconds before the off time, turn on the tv stream and find the dogs still being paraded, I have come to the conclusion that this is deliberately organised, the computerised machinery in the offices automatically goes to a central point and is relayed back to betfair in any way they wish, creating an unfair advantage using the punters own money. anyone got any thoughts on this?

May 9, 2017 -- 5:20PM, dt01 wrote:

Hi guys I have for some time now realised that in the bags meetings at tracks controlled by the big bookmakers I have a bet at seconds before the off time, turn on the tv stream and find the dogs still being paraded, I have come to the conclusion that this is deliberately organised, the computerised machinery in the offices automatically goes to a central point and is relayed back to betfair in any way they wish, creating an unfair advantage using the punters own money. anyone got any thoughts on this?

i dont understand your point,if you put your bet on you have took the price you wanted,what advantage would this give bookmakers,

Garry, the point that I make is that a punter watches the prices and makes up his mind on what is being backed, normally the big influx of money in the last minute or so of betting before the off.As I stated, in my opinion. The extra time gained by a delayed start gives the opportunity for the big bookies to use the office money to influence the betfair market, so the price that I have taken is altered, sometimes by a great deal.

If you have already taken your price on betfair what difference does it make to you?

obviously you are able to bet with bookmakers which means would give you best odds guaranteed, i still dont get the point,if you fancy something and you bet it at the right price  as you think then it does not matter what happens after,also if you can get on with bookmakers you wont be making any money

winja we went thru this before good luck to you if you are winning but in my eyes taking 2t1 dogs that have been 4t1 you can't win.about 18mths ago  the betting ring at romford was very good for punters and bookmakers because they never used betfair so punters knew value could be had but now with betfair at the track the bookmakers don't give any value no more plus the dogs that are 6t1 and 7t1 at the track on a friday are double on here so the punters they did have have stop going or now got betfair on the phone and don't bet with the track bookmakers because NO VALUE.

if you fancied the 1st or 2nd in the betting you had a good chance of getting better value with the track bookmakers because track bookmakers like roger and the late harry greenwood would want to lay them but now they have betfair at the track it has killed the betting ring.and yes tr roger left early and i think it will be only a matter of time before you see 1 or 2 turn it in they have only got themselves to blame because they were winning over the years

i should point out betting the rags at romford was never any value because the bookmakers only wanted to get the 1st 2 in the betting which most punters wanted to bet

before I post reply to the diatribe posted here I want to confirm one thing so all mobile and laptops never worked at Romford prior

Doc but if they still want to get the first two in then just match the betfair price or go slightly above (slightly) surely as a punter you will still bet them in the ring then if as you say book and punter monitoring betfair.....what am I missing

dr atkins has gone to see a doctor hes strained his fingers on laptop

rr trouble is they don't anymore if 3.25 on here be 7t4 where before betfair if was 3.25 on here you would get 9t4 or even 5t2

wedge 3 of bookmakers never used betfair until 18 mths ago

I see.... there you have it then.... unlike the horses no recreational punters to fill the void at the dogs I guess so either match the front two in the market or throw the pitch back in to the track

doc answer my post please

yes it worked before betfair because romford is very hard to find winners on the graded so they got them beat most of the time and showed a nice profit on the year

the day I believe a bookie does or never has used the machine to manipulate is the day I give up they truly are only in it to cream

yes wedge punters had betfair on phones if they wanted to use it

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