paul lawrence moaning about towcester circuit

after first night in fact...

had it off mute for a rare moment agree with what he said

opening night we were totally p1ssed won plenty £ and i still thought the circuit was a joke shop

if you got a wide runner forget it they should bulldoze the   circuit and start again

yep 100%, facilities are great but the circuit arguably one of worst in country

Billy in trap 5 just won

PL claims his dogs came off sore.  That's the first time I've ever heard such a criticism, from anyone - owner or trainer.   Sounds like a large dose of sour grapes to me. If they'd bothered giving Dream a prep. trial she might not have swung out so wide from the 4th bend and given up the ground she had made up so gamely after her poor start.

The towcester injury issues are well documented across all the sports media,its why they brought in a new groundsman and have had various experts there for meetings to inspect it and try and get to the bottom of it.

LoyalHoncho  • August 15, 2015 8:12 PM BST 
PL claims his dogs came off sore.  That's the first time I've ever heard such a criticism, from anyone - owner or trainer.   Sounds like a large dose of sour grapes to me. If they'd bothered giving Dream a prep. trial she might not have swung out so wide from the 4th bend and given up the ground she had made up so gamely after her poor start.

don't know where to even start with that because you just have not got a fkin clue what you are talking about

Disastrous they had a massive chance to build a blinding track

Enlighten me then - I'm always ready to learn.

That's rich PL calling someone else Marmite!

spot on casemoney it is a shame, if the circuit was decent we'd all be totally behind it

I honestly struggle to work that out re Marmite and Chapman, he is the sort of person only a mother could love

Sealey joins Towcester over concern with track
TOWCESTER has appointed Jeff Sealey as a track consultant as the Northamptonshire venue reacts to an increase in injuries. Sealey will be preparing the running surface for all meetings with immediate effect Racing manager Chris Page said yesterday: "Several weeks ago we commissioned a report nto the running surface at Towcester which had performed well during the period from November to February before we began to notice an increase in reported injuries during March and April.

Sealey aims to make a difference at Towcester

BY JIM CREMIN 3:34PM 19 JUL 2015

TWO hock injuries marred Towcester’s fifth race on Saturday, won impressively by Heather Dimmock’s Blackstone Marco. Kevin Hutton’s Stanton Buster broke down at the first, while Barrie Draper’s Glenpadden Lord dropped out down the back.

Hutton said: “That’s our first broken hock here, these things sadly do happen, and he’ll have a happy retirement now,” while Glenpadden Lord goes to the vet tomorrow. Draper similarly said he had no complaints about the track.

Paul Clarke’s Miss Glis Glis was reported to have sustained a gracilis injury in the opener, while Whizzing Zebo faces a spell on the sidelines after a TFL muscle injury in the second.

Nevertheless, groundsman Jeff Sealey has received general praise for his work since joining the staff officially a fortnight ago.

The 78-year-old Sealey has a lifetime of experience which includes building the popular Coventry track and markedly improving Walthamstow.

He said: “I’m enjoying the challenge – we’ve tweaked things a bit, and it’s really about getting as much water as possible on to the surface during the summer. We’re also banking the bends, and plan to reshape the inside fence slightly to help them take the first. It’s a fair track and our job is to make it even better.”

towcester have just done their own thing from day 1

Coming off sore isn't coming off with a serious injury. So how many broken hocks did we have at the other tracks over the same period?  Any comparisons?  How many broken hocks did we have in the Derby?  And how many very serious injuries?  And who cared?  Because Towcester has a couple in rapid succession it's now the worst track in the country?!  I don't think so.  Serious injueiwa elsewhere are just forgotten about and never mentioned again.  At least Towcester is trying to rememdy the situation.  Is Wimbledon?  Is Sunderland?

you're an utter fkin bellend

And who cared?
you must be mentally ill

Well you tell me who highlighted the injury situation at Wimbledon, in the Derby, other than pat on here, after the "black" Saturday - 3rd round?  Media wise - who? rpgtv wise - who?  The £250K sponsor William Hill wise - who?  Just Who?  And who is now heading up the operation to make Wimbledon safer for the greyhounds?  Tell me here - in black and white instead of blowing a fuse.
Tell me "who did care"?

nurse will be bringing you your ovaltine shortly

LoyalHoncho you must be the worst poster on here, You spout complete sh1te,Clueless man stfu.

Loyal has a point imo(which he stumbled across by accident tbf when trying to deflect the topic) in that track preperation across the country has been an utter disgrace this summer,i dont know if its the individual tracks fault or if its as i understand it done under the direction of some gbgb track expert and therefore his fault,either way this summer has been a complete disgrace but towcester seems to cop the most flack.

Kev said to me when we were talking a few weeks back..."why do we rest dogs all winter to protect them from injuries yet we run through the summer when the injury rate goes through the roof?"...when i thought about it for a minute i have to say its a very good question...ive always been of the opinion that winter rest was the "correct" way...but ive never questioned why until kev asked (its one of those things i suppose i picked up as a kid and just assumed it to be true without ever stopping to think).

I mentioned it to my old man and he agreed it was a good question and proferred that it was possibly a throw back to the grass track era where the ground was largely unraceable through the winter...?

I would rather run my dogs around Towcester than the likes of Romford or Crayford where it is more akin to banger racing around the first bends!

The main TOW point is that they had a massive chance of Building a Super Track ,some how they have managed to fk the whole thing up ,the straits are too short and bends too wide did anyone actually look at the plans Track appears to favour front runners ,If the cov track was moved to TOW you would have
the correct track with What I have heard are Excellent facilities ,its a sad sitch tbh but just cannot understand how the track plans were approved ...

Because its an eight dog circuit for the Asian markets

Funny how the 8 dog tracks in USA and aussie land ain't do wide even allowing the inside hare

You had to laff last night when Dave was getting nervous at PL continually slagging off Towcestor and he replied sure will sort it

Like yer want gonna do

Dig the track up and start

Make the straights longer

And proper bends that are reasonable wide not like the M1 motorway

Towcestor are knackered as its an outside hare so can't change the width of the bends

If it had been an inside would have been much easier to narrow the bends

Basically the design is fooked up and goons cost too much money and time to change

Towcester need to move the hare rail in .That alone could reduce enormously the effects of the tracks ridiculous design.

I thought it was built by experts in designing and building greyhound tracks?

Obviously not expert enough.Maybe its putting 2+2 to make 5 but when Chris Page was at the Stow he acknowledged that the tracks straights were too close together which resulted in a sausage shaped track that had very long straights and tight bends.Towcester is the other extreme.I wonder if CP was involved in the design and this led to over compensating.Just my wild guess.

I would have thought that banking the bends would be a great help as Jeff Sealey has reported.

Lawrence often comes across as arrogant, patronising and childish, when things don't go his way.
Don't like the way he had a go at owners of other dogs after Roxholme Dream won during the leger.and in fact was chastened by his own partner.
Because he watches a few videos of previous races he seems to think that it gives him some sort of divine right to winners or that his  opinion is worth so much more than anyone else's.
Roxholme Magic is undoubtedly a good dog but clearly has preferences for particular tracks as many dogs do- I remember that Bubbly Capel was very much like that as was Farloe tango and there are many many more examples. Doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with the track.

Every track is different and suits different dogs. Crayford and Romford are dodgem tracks- too much trouble because they're too tight, Many dogs run off at the 2nd bend at Sunderland, and at Sheffield the oval doesn't suit certain types. At monmore this year the surface has been atrocious.

Each track isn't perfect and has its issues. Having  a go at towcester came across as bitterness because his dog didn't win a competition they felt they were entitled to win.
Yes it's got improvements to make but if they take feedback on board and seek to improve then that's a good thing.
Odd that he still runs dogs there the next week if he's so concerned? Maybe there's 10000 reasons why that happened?

The guy needs to develop a bit of humility and grow up

in fact

laughable

A lot of people say this game is about opinions - which is true. However, isn't it frustrating when clueless ****s come on with completely ridiculous uninformed opinions that are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off the mark. Welcome to the world of greyhound racing gentlemen!

Put your opinion down then

Its an anonymous forum at the end of the day , just a bit of fun.

I don't think it merits getting upset about anyone or any opinion about anything when most of what is written is truly absolute bolleaux !

good point irish

PL did not slag off the other dogs when dream won the Leger

He just kept giving the big oooeerr oooooerrr when it won

Fair enuff

don't know if you've seen the one on gs PL?

They can be a funny old lot on there tho tbh

I think people need to explain when they accuse others of being clueless and completely ridiculous.

Thats cos she was sick between semis and finals  and tbh i didnt think she would run her race - she did - and i was pleasantly surprised

sparrow - people love to hide behind their user names as irish says and have a pop - if u  really think u know me then come and speak to me in person but don't think u know me and slag me off  on a forum for having an opinion. Ask Patrick starr - one of the most level headed sound opinionated fellas on here.

Really ravage? I'm not sure the connections of King Kane would agree after a heat win I think.
Like them or not my comments were a reflection of how I perceive the guy comes across on TV. It may not be the intention to project that image at all and if so then fair enough

All I'm saying is that we are only hearing one side of the story, and if it is totally wrong then perhaps it would help to hear the other side.

u r correct ravage i was told off by my best 1/2 - i was over exuberant - not purposely disrespectful - however its called passion and for my sins i got carried away cos i am lucky enough to have a share in a classy bitch - i did apologize cos i am a man and know when i make mistakes

maybe that was for Bajan!!??

Fek knows = there are so many trying to have a pop

I don't think you've done a lot wrong PL tbh, you are an easy target for some people to throw sh1t at you as you are on TV regularly

this might be an anonymous forum but people should think twice before they start lobbing personal insults at people which is bang out of fkin order

keep posting

lol

When the insults start flowing it exposes the total lack of intelligence of the contributors.

The opinion is utterly worthless and deserves condemnation either by blocking them or giving it back if they are so thick that is all they understand.

Empty vessels mate

quality irish

tbf i think everyone deserves an opinion but u r right when people aim insults at someone behind a handle and dont really know or understand a person, its a bit naughty = always willing to listen to others opinions, when they are levelled rationally again i quote the case of Patrick "i would rather spoon my eyes out than listen to pl" Star

It seems to me that insults are flying around from all sides in this debate.

that's the welsh for ya innit, bonkers the lot of em

the original theme was that i dont feel towcester was designed as well as it probably should have been from scratch

" if u  really think u know me then come and speak to me in person "

... the last thing I'd want is to meet some of the nutters on here .

they reckon 25% of the forum are actually posting from
inside behind bars!

the last thing I'd want is to meet some of the nutters on here
is dogrobber still flying drones over galway irish?

dogrobber ...... jees that was some wind up

I see that Roxholme Dream improved fifty spots at the dreaded, dog-killing, Towcester last night!  Was that because she came off "sore" last week - according to sour-grapes Paul Lawrence, or, because last week's first look round was a huge benefit?  Over to you wonders - you're the expert, according to you.

From results today looks like 2 dogs broke down at this afternoons meeting and 1 in a
trial before racing.

dear old pals jolly old pals

will meet again dont know when but will meet again some sunny day anyone know wheres the xmas party is this year

parkhurst ?

Rampton?

pmsl

lol

Yer Ron and the other 76% are on probation

8 dog track ? you could run two lorries round there

As I have said Ray Charles must have gone over the plans .

They had a massive Chance its gone as for the world betting on 8

races in England Good luck with that ,Only hope is Getting the

Chinese involved

there was a pickpocket at towcester saturdday  the police chased the man on to the track he keeped on the inside the police were running on outside the man got away police later said they were looking for a man in his eighties with a slight limp

be amazed if this track will be with us in 2yrs time

Looked like dog went badly wrong race after Sky ,think it was perrys bid

Bar that seemed a fair enough nights racing ,still think front runners track ,I managed to Get George picked up though

case do you ignore races won from behind ballymac a good example

TBH BBC I dont like the track Iv'e watched a few times ,Dogs appear lost to me on occasions, the track is far too wide and Straights too short ,as I said I enjoyed this evening and Sky racing was fair, TV trophy a good race to watch ,Sadly another
dog broke down untouched if that's anything to do with surface is anyones guess ,seems strange the amount of watering going on

i dont like the track not even a finishing line.they did say you couldnt win with a wide runner but penny sea biscuit adageo bob see no gamble shot that down.the track is near the top of towcester hill and any wind dries it out.havent got the stats but iwould think most tracks have increased injuries in summer.in my pomp on grass tracks a lot of injuries came in winter and a lot of openracers were given the winter off. i have noted a lot of injuries at monmore my specialist subject this summer.

i am sure irish will have the info

looking at the view at the end of this link i can't see
how they couldn't of had a longer straight if going away from
the water, your prob only talking 20 foot, it hasn't got to be dead
set with a spirit level in front of the main stand surly?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41qDShnI9g0