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08 Dec 14
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We cant bet there,theres no run up,the camera angles are sheit,theres no banking,8 dog racing is shiet,its going on the rails,its a cr4p track....blah blah blah fkin nonsense.
We watched 12 races saturday night,2 8 dog races and witnessed very little trouble throughout the night,i think theres a few on here who couldnt give two fks about the dogs themselves and are only worried about how their score fares at 3/1...its a new track that you have to adapt to,if you wont/cant adapt then dont fkin whinge about it,quite simply you're not good enough,carry on betting skittles if thats how you roll,we all gotta eat but dont be throwing stones at the place cos you dont like it,i cant stand sunderland or crayford,you know what,i dont bet there but i wouldnt dream of whinging about the gaffs.
As a well known former poster on here says,thedogsarethestars and for me at this time where welfare has at last been correctly identified as the primary consideration in the sport this is the type of track that HAS to be built,you couldnt build a crayford or sunderland from scratch these days and design them to look like they do,it should frankly be against the law to do so!
Its funny how they have also stretchered all the "top judges" out of hove over the years n all,another absolutely fantastic track where races are run cleanly,maybe these "top judges" arent so good at betting greyhound racing,maybe they're "top judges" at betting skittles,which i agree is a hugely profitablle skill in itself but its not about greyhound racing then,its about the money.
We watched 12 races saturday night,2 8 dog races and witnessed very little trouble throughout the night,i think theres a few on here who couldnt give two fks about the dogs themselves and are only worried about how their score fares at 3/1...its a new track that you have to adapt to,if you wont/cant adapt then dont fkin whinge about it,quite simply you're not good enough,carry on betting skittles if thats how you roll,we all gotta eat but dont be throwing stones at the place cos you dont like it,i cant stand sunderland or crayford,you know what,i dont bet there but i wouldnt dream of whinging about the gaffs.
As a well known former poster on here says,thedogsarethestars and for me at this time where welfare has at last been correctly identified as the primary consideration in the sport this is the type of track that HAS to be built,you couldnt build a crayford or sunderland from scratch these days and design them to look like they do,it should frankly be against the law to do so!
Its funny how they have also stretchered all the "top judges" out of hove over the years n all,another absolutely fantastic track where races are run cleanly,maybe these "top judges" arent so good at betting greyhound racing,maybe they're "top judges" at betting skittles,which i agree is a hugely profitablle skill in itself but its not about greyhound racing then,its about the money.
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I can't wait to go, the place looks fantastic
The sort of place you'd be proud to take a non greyhound punter and try to sell the sport.
It should attract outside sponsorship imo, as the corporate guests looks like they well be very well treated there (not knocking other tracks, some as decent)
The sort of place you'd be proud to take a non greyhound punter and try to sell the sport.
It should attract outside sponsorship imo, as the corporate guests looks like they well be very well treated there (not knocking other tracks, some as decent)
beebs/wonders - feck off the pair of ye
slippy- Patrick can be very insulting when he's in bad form !
slippy- Patrick can be very insulting when he's in bad form !
i am not in it for the glory i am in it to make money and support the track i go to. have not been towcester so will not comment on the track but will comment on bookmakers who bet 150 per cent on races they are people who are lazy fckers who put no work into it and just bet to 150 per cent and hope to take money of punters who have not got a clue about betting
...and i'd like it to be a roaring success and embarrass and show the other promoters for what they really are. Not whinging, just observations as they have done a lot right. Sure they value feedback so sort out those pathetic layers and them pictures are making us dizzy!
I haven't been so excited about a track in years. I agree with Patrick Star. The buzz and atmosphere was simply fantastic. They have a done a brilliant job and of course they will address the glitches- they are professional with a great attitude and work ethic to make the whole thing work. They have the backing of the GBGB, BAGS, tote, RPGTV so I am 100% behind the new venture. It was great to see so many doggy people at the track. Met the onwer of the year elect for the first time as well - i he never "spooned his eyes out"!!! Great Craic Neil 
Now how do i get those vids.......
Perf not the ones with the constant camera angle changes
Now how do i get those vids.......
Perf not the ones with the constant camera angle changes
cracking night, only had 2 bets with books, Diva 4/1 and 2/1 without red, overall % didn't bother me on this occasion
... the only race i even looked at the boards tho in fairness
... the only race i even looked at the boards tho in fairness
percentages is the most important part of betting good luck trying to make it pay betting dogs at 150 per cent people don't how lucky they are to have betfair without it we would be fcked
anyone betting to 145 will finesh without boots
Blimey Dr - You haven't stopped banging on about 150% books.
I am not condoning it, but if u or i were a bookmaker with only trial form to go on at a brand new track, would you open up to 120% and say come on then, fill me in. Of course not. Like PS says, give em a chance, let the form settle and then criticize poor percentages in 4 weeks time, if they are still the same (unlikely)
Even your beloved Romford books open up 135 generally because ur point about the layers being lazy is about the one good point u r correct about.
In this instance, i feel Towcester will get better and better.
And for the record, if the bookmakers chalk up to 150%, but make the dog u want to bet at 7/4, a 5/2 chance, there WILL be value.
As i understand it, they shortened the dogs they were laying on Saturday night, but weren't too keen to knock the rags out and that's why the percentages were poor.
Of Course the percentages are important to punters who take their betting seriously, but as i see it the MOST important thing is being able to understand how any given race is going to pan out after watching your vids and then assessing what price the dog u fancy should represent!!!!
In this instance, apart from one of the reps being at trials the Towcester Bookmakers didn't have too much course and distance form to go on.
PMA
I am not condoning it, but if u or i were a bookmaker with only trial form to go on at a brand new track, would you open up to 120% and say come on then, fill me in. Of course not. Like PS says, give em a chance, let the form settle and then criticize poor percentages in 4 weeks time, if they are still the same (unlikely)
Even your beloved Romford books open up 135 generally because ur point about the layers being lazy is about the one good point u r correct about.
In this instance, i feel Towcester will get better and better.
And for the record, if the bookmakers chalk up to 150%, but make the dog u want to bet at 7/4, a 5/2 chance, there WILL be value.
As i understand it, they shortened the dogs they were laying on Saturday night, but weren't too keen to knock the rags out and that's why the percentages were poor.
Of Course the percentages are important to punters who take their betting seriously, but as i see it the MOST important thing is being able to understand how any given race is going to pan out after watching your vids and then assessing what price the dog u fancy should represent!!!!
In this instance, apart from one of the reps being at trials the Towcester Bookmakers didn't have too much course and distance form to go on.
PMA
if the dog i make 5/2 is 4/1 i don't care about overall percentages!
ok it makes the better bets less frequent over a period for sure but you don't need to bet every race
ok it makes the better bets less frequent over a period for sure but you don't need to bet every race
putmeonpal most were OPENS the form there for all to see be it horses or greyhounds its all about betting
putmeonpal do you really think if you had to bet to 150 per cent has a punter you would make it pay no you would not and going by barry johnson he will screw the punter for their last penny i know him well from my horse days and yes the books at romford open up at 135 per cent thats why i have very few bets with them if it was not for betfair and the early prices i would not punt you can have the best meals and the greatest running track in the world but if all bookmakers bet to 150 per cent as a punter you have no chance.also if the track bookmakers have not been on oddschecker to see the moves and prices they are clowns and plus they are watching betfair no excuses.one last thing i will stick up for is the 3 books at romford who do not use betair
betting with large overround is pants down time
I get the 4/1 about a 5/2 shot argument but 7-8% over per runner is symptomatic of a weak market and an unattractive product to bet on, its a vicious circle
why do you think football is so appealing nowadays...its 3 outcomes 3% per outcome
start putting up 5/4, 7/4, 6/4 on your coupons and see how much people really like betting on football
I get the 4/1 about a 5/2 shot argument but 7-8% over per runner is symptomatic of a weak market and an unattractive product to bet on, its a vicious circle
why do you think football is so appealing nowadays...its 3 outcomes 3% per outcome
start putting up 5/4, 7/4, 6/4 on your coupons and see how much people really like betting on football
if people on here think they can make it pay betting to 150 per cent books they are living in a dream world or no nothing about betting
Completely agree with doc re the percentages.
Luckily for the serious punters this was negated saturday by a good effort by the off course books in doing the earlies so that has softened the blow for this week and perhaps let them escape from even more scathing comment?!
chris page has said hes aware of the shocking performance by the track books and will take steps to address it,he really cant do any more and so for me this saturdays performance by them shouldnt be allowed to detract from the huge achievements taken place to make towcester happen.
I think greyhound people sometimes thrive on negativity!
Luckily for the serious punters this was negated saturday by a good effort by the off course books in doing the earlies so that has softened the blow for this week and perhaps let them escape from even more scathing comment?!
chris page has said hes aware of the shocking performance by the track books and will take steps to address it,he really cant do any more and so for me this saturdays performance by them shouldnt be allowed to detract from the huge achievements taken place to make towcester happen.
I think greyhound people sometimes thrive on negativity!
give it time, early prices at towcester will be like hen's teeth
Czechbet 08 Dec 14 14:14 Joined: 08 Oct 08 | Topic/replies: 4,660 | Blogger: Czechbet's blog
cracking night, only had 2 bets with books, Diva 4/1 and 2/1 without red, overall % didn't bother me on this occasion
... the only race i even looked at the boards tho in fairness
apart from when they had to bring out the smelling salts when they opened killglen up at 7/4 you mean mate?!
cracking night, only had 2 bets with books, Diva 4/1 and 2/1 without red, overall % didn't bother me on this occasion
... the only race i even looked at the boards tho in fairness
apart from when they had to bring out the smelling salts when they opened killglen up at 7/4 you mean mate?!
i do not want towcester to close far from it but i look at it from being a punter and at the mo its no good for me unless you can keep on getting the early prices i do not work for a living so i have to eat and a bowl of rice is no good for me
wonders the problem is the track bookmakers i.e barry johnson who is no good for any punters how the ck they have let him have 2 pitches is beyond me on the other thread it was said that chris page had nothing to do with the bookmakers i can see why
its all they pay at the arsenal apparently doc,they buy them for nothing and feed them a bowl of rice a week then the whinger outs them for 20 million! lol
Your concerns regards that book from a 1st hand experience would be a worry doc long term,but when they say they will sort it i think they have earned the right to be given grace in addressing it,everything else they said they would do at towcester they have done!
lol pat, i didn't do too many multis but had a nice line with him in (stowking napped him 6/1 before you ;) ) diva in mine also tho yee of little faith
bubbly let everyone down for silly stuff!!!
bubbly let everyone down for silly stuff!!!
patrick has you can see i hate bookmakers who try and fck the public and i let them know like on sky at romford the other week by giving it to them if you are at a track and bookmakers are taking the p1ss give to them
stowkings nap got lapped
Defeated by a wave of excuses about bias etc etc
Defeated by a wave of excuses about bias etc etc
simply put czech no,and ive no recollection of you paying on either...lol
anyway backed to the graded tonight and 135 per books plus that lovely bitch running tonight
I totally understand what u r saying doc, and u r correct about the earlies and bf - thats why i have stopped going to romford as well.
The point i am making is - please give Towcester a chance to improve the percentages and tbh i never had a bet in the ring myself. I dis manage to snaffle 6/1 Killglen Chief tho to make it a good night
The point i am making is - please give Towcester a chance to improve the percentages and tbh i never had a bet in the ring myself. I dis manage to snaffle 6/1 Killglen Chief tho to make it a good night
haha i didn't pay on obvi was going to do a runner, bank card left in between a pair of fake t1ts shoreditch high street @lunchtime whoops
he prob had 8 naps i got lucky with one he text me lol
he prob had 8 naps i got lucky with one he text me lol
everyone is giving them a chance PL, defo
you can't expect them to put up 144avg over a 12 race card and not have any backlash over the %
constructive criticism is healthy and will benefit them and the game
ffs czech
you can't expect them to put up 144avg over a 12 race card and not have any backlash over the %
constructive criticism is healthy and will benefit them and the game
ffs czech
and pat your being billed for waking my up at 4! and having the key for the other room of mine, lost rock paper scissors had to sleep on camp bed ffs
pay for 3 rooms end up on camp bed couldn't make it up
pay for 3 rooms end up on camp bed couldn't make it up
150 150 150 it aint gonna stay like that forever is it
tow on sky dogs saturday matt chapman always having a go at books so think it will be 130 saturday
mad dog i understand his point but i would prefer the doggie lads to give it a chance cos the atmosphere was electric and the feel good factor was brilliant - we all want to win punting but for ffs if u were there in this instance it wasnt just about getting money - Doc already says he dont bet in the ring cos bf is better and take advantage of earlies if u r blessed enough to have a 3 6 5 account
Ad he is another one - PMA - but to be fair to MC he did say on sky at Rommers last week we should all support Towcester
Will only use betfair these days. Apart from the obvious better prices there is the opportunity to bet place only.
i would never bet at a greyhound track again early prices and betfair for me why would i want to go to a greyhound track to get mug off
some of the prices on the place market are unreal put one up on here at 11/1 place a few weeks ago , dog won at 10/1 s p 
put one up on here at 11/1 place a few weeks ago , dog won at 10/1 s p
to cheer on a 6/1 bets when its 2/1 in the ring - the boys gave it large oi oi ois - it was classic cos it went hush when Any Dak headed chief at the 2nd - then the roar continued at the 3rd!!!
mad dog - i prob done my old trick again - opened my gob or in this case typed a bit quick - end of the day i am passionate and i want Towcester to succeed mate - i totally take point about 150 being a p!ss take but lets give it a chance cos most books will struggle against bf and the 3 6 5 ricks
putmeonpal.sportsbook on betfair is very good for fridays they are going up first lets hope they keep on doing it.the last point about towcester bookmakers mr johnson has 2 pitches the man has not got a clue and will not put any work into it the only hope you have is he puts up the prices from betfair and puts the money back on betfair but going by what i know of him he will not.going by what people have said towcester looks a great track and good luck to them we need all the greyhound tracks even kinsley
i also hope they do well and keep the crowds but for me i see no point going there
"...so think it will be 130 saturday"
Even that is bad enough mad dog, I really hope Towcester succeeds, absolutely no question about that. I said before I have family that live not far away and I would like to go and have a decent meal and a good night out with them at Towcester but unless it is on a Sky night and I can bet to a solid %age on the exchanges I will not set foot in the place. I would kick off when confronted with flapping track prices, it's just not good enough. It'll end up being a 6 packers gaff with very few serious punters if the bookmakers don't wake up sharpish..
Even that is bad enough mad dog, I really hope Towcester succeeds, absolutely no question about that. I said before I have family that live not far away and I would like to go and have a decent meal and a good night out with them at Towcester but unless it is on a Sky night and I can bet to a solid %age on the exchanges I will not set foot in the place. I would kick off when confronted with flapping track prices, it's just not good enough. It'll end up being a 6 packers gaff with very few serious punters if the bookmakers don't wake up sharpish..
I am barred from using sportsbook doc. like most accounts -dead. Footsoldiers are the only way really
if you live in london up and down the northern line i can get on
Patrick and Czech I had 2 naps 
Chief and Alpha.. I still blame the bias for Alpha not picking up DEC 
Chief and Alpha.. I still blame the bias for Alpha not picking up DEC
putmeonpal.yep got to have ground troops even to get 300 on these days thats how hard it is
punters should keep there own cards then they might get all they want on fact
I couldnt NAP Chief to you Patrick as I knew the real value had gone at 6/1 and 11/2.
....getting on, a lot of it is to do with the woman staff shi t themselves and pick up the phone when they don't have to. My chart limits are very decent i think.....depending on price probably have 499 quid 7/2 off the top of me head without lifting the phone on bags
.....They often p.t.l a grand at 1/5 and then lay 150 quid at 20,s
mdm. correct but you need people to get you on i am not a big gambler 500 would be my max bet when at dogs 100 min bet and on betfair in between but even for me to get 300 on a dog need my 2 mates to get you on and i live in london my mate got 50pound on a dog friday the same time i was trying to get on they change the price unreal its hard out there got someone whos got a chunk in a bet365 account he won't take no money out of the account because he thinks it will get closed madness but thats how the game gets to you
go racing i would say 90 per cent of shop staff don't go by charts because they have not got a clue and have the area manager on there back only the old school managers go by charts
Exactly....find a manager like myself about 37 years old that's been around before Epos and the chart should be adhered to. They don't want people notifying everything that moves, that's what the chart is for. Unfortunately the standard now is so poor that it gives the firm a bad name. They would rather pay a bird 18k a year and lose fortunes in turnover....weird. On my district there is 22 shops and i would only employ1 bloke to run a shop if it was mine.
Should the thread have been named "whinging about the towcester whingers" 
Having watched a few races track looks very fair ,Saying that the 150 not a good advert for a first meeting ,wonder how many
of you will be playing with the books this Saturday when its on rptv and markets prob 102 % on here . NONE IMO ..
If you are trying to promote something you hardly wheel a load of old shyte out on opening day ,no excuses, as for it will be sorted ,did no one think to ask the books what % they were liable to bet to,a poor advert no doubt driven by greed ...
Looking forward to the meeting on Saturday, no doubt the books will be as well, who wouldn't be lay at 150 have it back it at 102 Chistmas more than covered ,hopefully they take 2bob
of you will be playing with the books this Saturday when its on rptv and markets prob 102 % on here . NONE IMO ..
If you are trying to promote something you hardly wheel a load of old shyte out on opening day ,no excuses, as for it will be sorted ,did no one think to ask the books what % they were liable to bet to,a poor advert no doubt driven by greed ...
Looking forward to the meeting on Saturday, no doubt the books will be as well, who wouldn't be lay at 150 have it back it at 102 Chistmas more than covered ,hopefully they take 2bob
As for the rest of it, Looks promising and if Mr Wallis gives it his backing that is more than good enough for me 
One of the few people left that its actually worse listening to ,when he does voice his opinion ..
One of the few people left that its actually worse listening to ,when he does voice his opinion ..
People do make me laff who say percentages do not matter
Even 150 per cent
Because if a bookie goes 5-2 and I make it a 7-4 shot it value
Come on how often is that going to happen per meeting either stevies wonders on the books or your effing clueless at pricing up a race and made your selection far too shot a price
Surprised you come on with stuff like this putmeonpal particularly as when you on RPTV you back two in a race quite often
OK I know your taking an early price rather than backing at the track
Even 150 per cent
Because if a bookie goes 5-2 and I make it a 7-4 shot it value
Come on how often is that going to happen per meeting either stevies wonders on the books or your effing clueless at pricing up a race and made your selection far too shot a price
Surprised you come on with stuff like this putmeonpal particularly as when you on RPTV you back two in a race quite often
OK I know your taking an early price rather than backing at the track
after last saturday very very poor effort by so called bookies at tow who in there right mind are going to go back when its on sky and betfair are betting to 102 it was just plain GREED by the bookmakers there and maybe they should donate a monkey each to the retired greyhound trust
ravage I often have ten to one shots on here at evens money on my tissue ....so what ?
its all about calculating, record keeping, monitoring how good you are and adapting to the variables, it doesn't matter whether you think something is 200/1 and it goes off at 1/2, its all about your ability to make money out of what you or your analysis perceives as value .
its all about calculating, record keeping, monitoring how good you are and adapting to the variables, it doesn't matter whether you think something is 200/1 and it goes off at 1/2, its all about your ability to make money out of what you or your analysis perceives as value .
Bollocks no way you can put something in at even money and know what you doing and get 10-1 on here
Can you please post up three recent examples in the last week and I will check out you're so called even money shot
In reality it's properly a 4-1 or 5-1 shot and your getting s**** price like 10 on bf for buttons
Can you please post up three recent examples in the last week and I will check out you're so called even money shot
In reality it's properly a 4-1 or 5-1 shot and your getting s**** price like 10 on bf for buttons
that's exactly my point ravage
You said it yerself "In reality" .... who's reality ? the Bookmakers SP ? Betfairs ? Yours ? Mine ?
My reality is my Betfair balance , if you work at it , do your homework and keep your records straight you should get better and better at finding / assessing value.
It really doesn't matter what my tissue price is or what your or my "reality" is.
I put up loads of my bets on here saying they are too big or too small usually before the event (unlike yourself) don't mind if you follow them or go back and look at the Romford Sunderland Friday night threads in your own time.
You said it yerself "In reality" .... who's reality ? the Bookmakers SP ? Betfairs ? Yours ? Mine ?
My reality is my Betfair balance , if you work at it , do your homework and keep your records straight you should get better and better at finding / assessing value.
It really doesn't matter what my tissue price is or what your or my "reality" is.
I put up loads of my bets on here saying they are too big or too small usually before the event (unlike yourself
) don't mind if you follow them or go back and look at the Romford Sunderland Friday night threads in your own time.
Fair enough maybe one to twos point difference and odd one bigger than that but
Even 50 per cent
10-1 9 per cent
That's one he'll of a difference and you're just putting you're selecting at such a silly short price and that ain't " in reality" it's a fact
Even 50 per cent
10-1 9 per cent
That's one he'll of a difference and you're just putting you're selecting at such a silly short price and that ain't " in reality" it's a fact
In all seriousness Ravage , you have recently made disparaging remarks about bookmakers , amateur jockeys and judges on here. If you are fishing then fair play to yer but for a bloke that to my knowledge has never put up a winner prior to the event on here , you have got some front .
wow i have never made a dog evens and its 10t1 if that happen i would walk of a cliff if i you kept on making dogs say 4t1 and they were going off at say 8t1 you would be skint in no time. most of the dogs i bet will go of shorter than the sp and also shorter on betfair if they did not then i would be skint simple not saying that all the dogs i bet go off shorter bet a very high percentage do.
And fair play to you DR. As far as I know there are very few that do their own tissue on here . I don't look at videos instead I assess results/betting patterns . This doesn't matter though. Ultimately you are putting a different price on other peoples opinion, creating an under or overs situation in an attempt to gain an “edge”. We both are assimilating knowledge and hopefully interpreting it profitably. If you can pick them out that way then good on you, there is no right or wrong way imho , our profit is the true measure.
Towcestor bookies tick
Amateur jockey one just bazzer o Connell Hehe
Judges which judge I have had a go at?
Amateur jockey one just bazzer o Connell Hehe
Judges which judge I have had a go at?
if prices are always going off shorter than you make them you have a big problem imo, your not finding the real cream
the real jewels are when you have found something nobody else would ever have the skill to pick, you make it say a 3/1 chance yet because of a poor market leader or serious eye candy pro loser runner you know will have hooked all the lemmings... you will get massive prices! had double figs loads and loads of times about something i've made relatively short, because i have gone to lengths no one else will or can go to when studying the race
i've even put enough of them up on here over the years, not that i actually give a fck about proving anything to anyone
the real jewels are when you have found something nobody else would ever have the skill to pick, you make it say a 3/1 chance yet because of a poor market leader or serious eye candy pro loser runner you know will have hooked all the lemmings... you will get massive prices! had double figs loads and loads of times about something i've made relatively short, because i have gone to lengths no one else will or can go to when studying the race
i've even put enough of them up on here over the years, not that i actually give a fck about proving anything to anyone
I think everyone in the industry wants Towcester to succeed and the people involved have been refreshing ambitious and extremely professional in their approach. From all reports, the track sounds fantastic. My main doubt is that it remains a greyhound track that is completely inaccessible and won't attract crowds on a regular basis....b/the betting ring is made up of clueless layers who have no idea about dog racing (how on earth Steve Joel can be overlooked is hard to believe imo...he would be an excellent asset)...c/150pc will be the norm...on the opening night they had a huge crowd and a vibrant betfair market to get their prices off or hedge into...why on earth are they going to bet into 110pc on a "normal" deserted night in the middle of Feb?.....the truth is, we all hope and pray it works...lets hope its still going in 2 years time
"i have gone to lengths no one else will or can go to when studying the race"
couldn't agree more
couldn't agree more
if you make a dog evens when it is 10/1 on here then you need a serious rethink about how you are pricing up races
to go evens you must have ignored 1 (or likely more) highly significant variable(s) and missed the point completely of a tissue
to go evens you must have ignored 1 (or likely more) highly significant variable(s) and missed the point completely of a tissue
irishone • December 8, 2014 9:59 PM GMT
And fair play to you DR. As far as I know there are very few that do their own tissue on here . I don't look at videos instead I assess results/betting patterns .
think there are more people doing 1 then you might imagine
ignore woodys which is not worth a hill of beans, I mean a proper 1, I certainly do
I also do both of those things you mentioned and more but that's me innit
And fair play to you DR. As far as I know there are very few that do their own tissue on here . I don't look at videos instead I assess results/betting patterns .
think there are more people doing 1 then you might imagine
ignore woodys which is not worth a hill of beans, I mean a proper 1, I certainly do
I also do both of those things you mentioned and more but that's me innit
wonders can you please refrain from quoting irishone,i blocked the tool for a reason,cheers
race Saturday night at newc 365 open 2 5/2 7/2 5 9/2 9/2 about 140% to cut a long story short I make 6 a good bet and 5/2 what shall I do wait til they all go up and it ends up 11/4 7/2 4/1 8 6 9/2 about 115% the best it's gunna get for all I care they could go 9/2 6 9/2 6 10 9/2 my bet is T6 9/2 is gd value and I wanna be on I can't lay traps 1-5 at there prices the dog returns 7/4 and gets beat but I'd like 3/4 of these every week pls it doesn't matter what price the rest are you've found the value but some of u just don't get it
Wonders you show me a tissues that covers all the so called "significant" variables and I'll wipe my r s with it
Yer it's good better than the average but it ain't mindblowing different that Towcestor management were indicating
Its around the levels they suggested it would be to the owners that went there for the open day.
There is a review of prizemoney with teh trainers scheduled for early next year following the rewarding of the bags contract.
There is a review of prizemoney with teh trainers scheduled for early next year following the rewarding of the bags contract.
was hoping towcester would become the flag ship and get prize money overall to a new level
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