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patrick starr
08 Dec 14 11:57
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We cant bet there,theres no run up,the camera angles are sheit,theres no banking,8 dog racing is shiet,its going on the rails,its a cr4p track....blah blah blah fkin nonsense.

We watched 12 races saturday night,2 8 dog races and witnessed very little trouble throughout the night,i think theres a few on here who couldnt give two fks about the dogs themselves and are only worried about how their score fares at 3/1...its a new track that you have to adapt to,if you wont/cant adapt then dont fkin whinge about it,quite simply you're not good enough,carry on betting skittles if thats how you roll,we all gotta eat but dont be throwing stones at the place cos you dont like it,i cant stand sunderland or crayford,you know what,i dont bet there but i wouldnt dream of whinging about the gaffs.

As a well known former poster on here says,thedogsarethestars and for me at this time where welfare has at last been correctly identified as the primary consideration in the sport this is the type of track that HAS to be built,you couldnt build a crayford or sunderland from scratch these days and design them to look like they do,it should frankly be against the law to do so!

Its funny how they have also stretchered all the "top judges" out of hove over the years n all,another absolutely fantastic track where races are run cleanly,maybe these "top judges" arent so good at betting greyhound racing,maybe they're "top judges" at betting skittles,which i agree is a hugely profitablle skill in itself but its not about greyhound racing then,its about the money.
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Report bbc2 December 8, 2014 12:54 PM GMT
irish argues with himselfLaugh
Report wondersobright December 8, 2014 12:56 PM GMT
only when his sidekick is on holiday beebs Grin
Report everton-fc December 8, 2014 1:20 PM GMT
I can't wait to go, the place looks fantastic

The sort of place you'd be proud to take a non greyhound punter and try to sell the sport.

It should attract outside sponsorship imo, as the corporate guests looks like they well be very well treated there (not knocking other tracks, some as decent)
Report irishone December 8, 2014 1:26 PM GMT
beebs/wonders - feck off the pair of ye

slippy- Patrick can be very insulting when he's in bad form !
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 1:38 PM GMT
i am not in it for the glory i am in it to make money and support the track i go to. have not been towcester so will not comment on the track but will comment on bookmakers who bet 150 per cent on races they are people who are lazy fckers who put no work into it and just bet to 150 per cent and hope to take money of punters who have not got a clue about betting
Report go racing December 8, 2014 1:53 PM GMT
...and i'd like it to be a roaring success and embarrass and show the other promoters for what they really are. Not whinging, just observations as they have done a lot right. Sure they value feedback so sort out those pathetic layers and them pictures are making us dizzy!
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 2:12 PM GMT
I haven't been so excited about a track in years. I agree with Patrick Star. The buzz and atmosphere was simply fantastic. They have a done a brilliant job and of course they will address the glitches- they are professional with a great attitude and work ethic to make the whole thing work. They have the backing of the GBGB, BAGS, tote, RPGTV so I am 100% behind the new venture. It was great to see so many doggy people at the track. Met the onwer of the year elect for the first time as well - i he never "spooned his eyes out"!!! Great Craic Neil Grin

Now how do i get those vids.......
Perf not the ones with the constant camera angle changes Blush
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 2:14 PM GMT
**PREF**
Report Czechbet December 8, 2014 2:14 PM GMT
cracking night, only had 2 bets with books, Diva 4/1 and 2/1 without red, overall % didn't bother me on this occasion

... the only race i even looked at the boards tho in fairness
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 2:31 PM GMT
percentages is the most important part of betting good luck trying to make it pay betting dogs at 150 per cent people don't how lucky they are to have betfair without it we would be fcked
Report the.mad.dog.man December 8, 2014 2:47 PM GMT
anyone betting to 145 will finesh without boots
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 2:57 PM GMT
Blimey Dr - You haven't stopped banging on about 150% books.
I am not condoning it, but if u or i were a bookmaker with only trial form to go on at a brand new track, would you open up to 120% and say come on then, fill me in. Of course not. Like PS says, give em a chance, let the form settle and then criticize poor percentages in 4 weeks time, if they are still the same (unlikely)
Even your beloved Romford books open up 135 generally because ur point about the layers being lazy is about the one good point u r correct about.
In this instance, i feel Towcester will get better and better.
And for the record, if the bookmakers chalk up to 150%, but make the dog u want to bet at 7/4, a 5/2 chance, there WILL be value.
As i understand it, they shortened the dogs they were laying on Saturday night, but weren't too keen to knock the rags out and that's why the percentages were poor.
Of Course the percentages are important to punters who take their betting seriously, but as i see it the MOST important thing is being able to understand how any given race is going to pan out after watching your vids and then assessing what price the dog u fancy should represent!!!!
In this instance, apart from one of the reps being at trials the Towcester Bookmakers didn't have too much course and distance form to go on.

PMA
Report Czechbet December 8, 2014 3:03 PM GMT
if the dog i make 5/2 is 4/1 i don't care about overall percentages!

ok it makes the better bets less frequent over a period for sure but you don't need to bet every race
Report the.mad.dog.man December 8, 2014 3:06 PM GMT
putmeonpal most were OPENS the form there for all to see be it horses or greyhounds its all about betting
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 3:15 PM GMT
putmeonpal do you really think if you had to bet to 150 per cent has a punter you would make it pay no you would not and going by barry johnson he will screw the punter for their last penny i know him well from my horse days and yes the books at romford open up at 135 per cent thats why i have very few bets with them if it was not for betfair and the early prices i would not punt you can have the best meals and the greatest running track in the world but if all bookmakers bet to 150 per cent as a punter you have no chance.also if the track bookmakers have not been on oddschecker to see the moves and prices they are clowns and plus they are watching betfair no excuses.one last thing i will stick up for is the 3 books at romford who do not use betair
Report the.mad.dog.man December 8, 2014 3:17 PM GMT
dr atkins is right
Report wondersobright December 8, 2014 3:18 PM GMT
betting with large overround is pants down time

I get the 4/1 about a 5/2 shot argument but 7-8% over per runner is symptomatic of a weak market and an unattractive product to bet on, its a vicious circle
why do you think football is so appealing nowadays...its 3 outcomes 3% per outcome
start putting up 5/4, 7/4, 6/4 on your coupons and see how much people really like betting on football Wink
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 3:20 PM GMT
if people on here think they can make it pay betting to 150 per cent books they are living in a dream world or no nothing about betting
Report patrick starr December 8, 2014 3:21 PM GMT
Completely agree with doc re the percentages.

Luckily for the serious punters this was negated saturday by a good effort by the off course books in doing the earlies so that has softened the blow for this week and perhaps let them escape from even more scathing comment?!

chris page has said hes aware of the shocking performance by the track books and will take steps to address it,he really cant do any more and so for me this saturdays performance by them shouldnt be allowed to detract from the huge achievements taken place to make towcester happen.

I think greyhound people sometimes thrive on negativity!
Report wondersobright December 8, 2014 3:22 PM GMT
give it time, early prices at towcester will be like hen's teeth
Report patrick starr December 8, 2014 3:25 PM GMT
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cracking night, only had 2 bets with books, Diva 4/1 and 2/1 without red, overall % didn't bother me on this occasion

... the only race i even looked at the boards tho in fairness


apart from when they had to bring out the smelling salts when they opened killglen up at 7/4 you mean mate?! LaughSilly
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 3:27 PM GMT
i do not want towcester to close far from it but i look at it from being a punter and at the mo its no good for me unless you can keep on getting the early prices i do not work for a living so i have to eat and a bowl of rice is no good for me
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 3:32 PM GMT
wonders the problem is the track bookmakers i.e barry johnson who is no good for any punters how the ck they have let him have 2 pitches is beyond me on the other thread it was said that chris page had nothing to do with the bookmakers i can see why
Report patrick starr December 8, 2014 3:32 PM GMT
its all they pay at the arsenal apparently doc,they buy them for nothing and feed them a bowl of rice a week then the whinger outs them for 20 million! lol
Report patrick starr December 8, 2014 3:35 PM GMT
Your concerns regards that book from a 1st hand experience would be a worry doc long term,but when they say they will sort it i think they have earned the right to be given grace in addressing it,everything else they said they would do at towcester they have done!
Report Czechbet December 8, 2014 3:37 PM GMT
lol pat, i didn't do too many multis but had a nice line with him in (stowking napped him 6/1 before you ;) ) diva in mine also tho yee of little faith

bubbly let everyone down for silly stuff!!! Sad
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 3:38 PM GMT
patrick has you can see i hate bookmakers who try and fck the public and i let them know like on sky at romford the other week by giving it to them if you are at a track and bookmakers are taking the p1ss give to them
Report Czechbet December 8, 2014 3:39 PM GMT
am i best priced guaranteed on that 50 also Wink
Report patrick starr December 8, 2014 3:41 PM GMT
stowkings nap got lappedSillyLaugh

Defeated by a wave of excuses about bias etc etc SillyLaugh
Report patrick starr December 8, 2014 3:42 PM GMT
simply put czech no,and ive no recollection of you paying on either...lol Wink
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 3:45 PM GMT
anyway backed to the graded tonight and 135 per books plus that lovely bitch running tonight
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 3:46 PM GMT
I totally understand what u r saying doc, and u r correct about the earlies and bf - thats why i have stopped going to romford as well.

The point i am making is - please give Towcester a chance to improve the percentages and tbh i never had a bet in the ring myself. I dis manage to snaffle 6/1 Killglen Chief tho to make it a good night
Report Czechbet December 8, 2014 3:48 PM GMT
haha i didn't pay on obvi was going to do a runner, bank card left in between a pair of fake t1ts shoreditch high street @lunchtime whoops

he prob had 8 naps i got lucky with one he text me lol
Report patrick starr December 8, 2014 3:48 PM GMT
pmsl! LaughWink
Report wondersobright December 8, 2014 3:49 PM GMT
everyone is giving them a chance PL, defo
you can't expect them to put up 144avg over a 12 race card and not have any backlash over the %
constructive criticism is healthy and will benefit them and the game

ffs czech
Report Czechbet December 8, 2014 3:49 PM GMT
and pat your being billed for waking my up at 4! and having the key for the other room of mine, lost rock paper scissors had to sleep on camp bed ffs

pay for 3 rooms end up on camp bed couldn't make it up
Report the.mad.dog.man December 8, 2014 3:50 PM GMT
pumeonpal what a aftertimer that was LaughLaughLaugh lol
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 3:53 PM GMT
Its fact mad dog
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 3:53 PM GMT
150 150 150 it aint gonna stay like that forever is it
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 3:53 PM GMT
PMA
Report the.mad.dog.man December 8, 2014 3:57 PM GMT
tow on sky dogs saturday matt chapman always having a go at books so think it will be 130 saturday
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 4:01 PM GMT
mad dog i understand his point but i would prefer the doggie lads to give it a chance cos the atmosphere was electric and the feel good factor was brilliant - we all want to win punting but for ffs if u were there in this instance it wasnt just about getting money - Doc already says he dont bet in the ring cos bf is better and take advantage of earlies if u r blessed enough to have a 3 6 5 account
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 4:02 PM GMT
my pal Matt Crazy
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 4:03 PM GMT
and h
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 4:05 PM GMT
Ad he is another one - PMA - but to be fair to MC he did say on sky at Rommers last week we should all support Towcester
Report sparrow December 8, 2014 4:05 PM GMT
Will only use betfair these days. Apart from the obvious better prices there is the opportunity to bet place only.
Report the.mad.dog.man December 8, 2014 4:05 PM GMT
i would never bet at a greyhound track again early prices and betfair for me why would i want to go to a greyhound track to get mug off
Report irishone December 8, 2014 4:06 PM GMT
some of the prices on the place market are unreal Sad put one up on here at 11/1 place a few weeks ago , dog won at 10/1 s p Cool
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 4:07 PM GMT
to cheer on a 6/1 bets when its 2/1 in the ring - the boys gave it large oi oi ois - it was classic cos it went hush when Any Dak headed chief at the 2nd - then the roar continued at the 3rd!!!
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 4:10 PM GMT
mad dog - i prob done my old trick again - opened my gob or in this case typed a bit quick - end of the day i am passionate and i want Towcester to succeed mate - i totally take point about 150 being a p!ss take but lets give it a chance cos most books will struggle against bf and the 3 6 5 ricks
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 4:12 PM GMT
putmeonpal.sportsbook on betfair is very good for fridays they are going up first lets hope they keep on doing it.the last point about towcester bookmakers mr johnson has 2 pitches the man has not got a clue and will not put any work into it the only hope you have is he puts up the prices from betfair and puts the money back on betfair but going by what i know of him he will not.going by what people have said towcester looks a great track and good luck to them we need all the greyhound tracks even kinsley Wink
Report the.mad.dog.man December 8, 2014 4:13 PM GMT
i also hope they do well and keep the crowds but for me i see no point going there
Report SlippyBlue December 8, 2014 4:14 PM GMT
"...so think it will be 130 saturday"

Even that is bad enough mad dog, I really hope Towcester succeeds, absolutely no question about that. I said before I have family that live not far away and I would like to go and have a decent meal and a good night out with them at Towcester but unless it is on a Sky night and I can bet to a solid %age on the exchanges I will not set foot in the place. I would kick off when confronted with flapping track prices, it's just not good enough. It'll end up being a 6 packers gaff with very few serious punters if the bookmakers don't wake up sharpish..
Report putmeonpal December 8, 2014 4:15 PM GMT
I am barred from using sportsbook doc. like most accounts -dead. Footsoldiers are the only way really
Report the.mad.dog.man December 8, 2014 4:21 PM GMT
if you live in london up and down the northern line i can get on
Report stowking December 8, 2014 4:26 PM GMT
Patrick and Czech I had 2 naps Excited Chief and Alpha.. I still blame the bias for Alpha not picking up DEC Cry
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 4:27 PM GMT
putmeonpal.yep got to have ground troops even to get 300 on these days thats how hard it is
Report patrick starr December 8, 2014 4:31 PM GMT
bias schmias LaughWink
Report the.mad.dog.man December 8, 2014 4:33 PM GMT
punters should keep there own cards then they might get all they want on fact
Report stowking December 8, 2014 4:35 PM GMT
I couldnt NAP Chief to you Patrick as I knew the real value had gone at 6/1 and 11/2.
Report go racing December 8, 2014 4:42 PM GMT
....getting on, a lot of it is to do with the woman staff shi t themselves and pick up the phone when they don't have to. My chart limits are very decent i think.....depending on price probably have 499 quid 7/2 off the top of me head without lifting the phone on bags
Report go racing December 8, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
.....They often p.t.l a grand at 1/5 and then lay 150 quid at 20,s
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
mdm. correct but you need people to get you on i am not a big gambler 500 would be my max bet when at dogs 100 min bet and on betfair in between but even for me to get 300 on a dog need my 2 mates to get you on and i live in london my mate got 50pound on a dog friday the same time i was trying to get on they change the price unreal its hard out there got someone whos got a chunk in a bet365 account he won't take no money out of the account because he thinks it will get closed madness but thats how the game gets to you
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 4:49 PM GMT
go racing i would say 90 per cent of shop staff don't go by charts because they have not got a clue and have the area manager on there back only the old school managers go by charts
Report go racing December 8, 2014 5:03 PM GMT
Exactly....find a manager like myself about 37 years old that's been around before Epos and the chart should be adhered to. They don't want people notifying everything that moves, that's what the chart is for. Unfortunately the standard now is so poor that it gives the firm a bad name. They would rather pay a bird 18k a year and lose fortunes in turnover....weird. On my district there is 22 shops and i would only employ1 bloke to run a shop if it was mine.
Report Stow_judge December 8, 2014 6:42 PM GMT
Should the thread have been named "whinging about the towcester whingers" Mischief
Report patrick starr December 8, 2014 7:03 PM GMT
lol sj,touche!
Report casemoney December 8, 2014 7:42 PM GMT
Having watched a few races track looks very fair ,Saying that the 150 not a good advert for a first meeting ,wonder how many
of you will be playing with the books this Saturday when its on rptv and markets prob 102 % on here . NONE IMO ..

If you are trying to promote something you hardly wheel a load of old shyte out on opening day ,no excuses, as for it will be sorted ,did no one think to ask the books what % they were liable to bet to,a poor advert no doubt driven by greed ...

Looking forward to the meeting on Saturday, no doubt the books will be as well, who wouldn't be lay at 150 have it back it at 102 Chistmas more than covered ,hopefully they take 2bob Laugh
Report casemoney December 8, 2014 7:46 PM GMT
As for the rest of it, Looks promising and if Mr Wallis gives it his backing that is more than good enough for me Happy

One of the few people left that its actually worse listening to ,when he does voice his opinion ..
Report casemoney December 8, 2014 7:46 PM GMT
worth not worse Happy pmsl
Report irishone December 8, 2014 7:50 PM GMT
all the top trainers backed Coventry didn't they ?
Report Ravage Again December 8, 2014 7:55 PM GMT
People do make me laff who say percentages do not matter

Even 150 per cent

Because if a bookie goes 5-2 and I make it a 7-4 shot it value

Come on how often is that going to happen per meeting either stevies wonders on the books or your effing clueless at pricing up a race and made your selection far too shot a price

Surprised you come on with stuff like this putmeonpal particularly as when you on RPTV you back two in a race quite often


OK I know your taking an early price rather than backing at the track
Report the.mad.dog.man December 8, 2014 8:13 PM GMT
after last saturday very very poor effort by so called bookies at tow who in there right mind are going to go back when its on sky and betfair are betting to 102 it was just plain GREED by the bookmakers there and maybe they should donate a monkey each to the retired greyhound trust
Report irishone December 8, 2014 8:39 PM GMT
ravage I often have ten to one shots on here at evens money on my tissue ....so what ?

its all about calculating, record keeping, monitoring how good you are and adapting to the variables, it doesn't matter whether you think something is 200/1 and it goes off at 1/2, its all about your ability to make money out of what you or your analysis perceives as value .
Report eyeball December 8, 2014 8:45 PM GMT
agree
Report Ravage Again December 8, 2014 8:45 PM GMT
Bollocks no way you can put something in at even money and know what you doing and get 10-1 on here

Can you please post up three recent examples in the last week and I will check out you're so called even money shot

In reality it's properly a 4-1 or 5-1 shot and your getting s**** price like 10 on bf for buttons
Report irishone December 8, 2014 9:00 PM GMT
that's exactly my point ravage

You said it yerself  "In reality" .... who's reality ? the Bookmakers SP ? Betfairs ? Yours ? Mine ?

My reality is my Betfair balance , if you work at it , do your homework and keep your records straight you should get better and better at finding / assessing value.

It really doesn't matter what my tissue price is or what your or my "reality" is.

I put up loads of my bets on here saying they are too big or too small usually before the event (unlike yourself  Laugh) don't mind if you follow them or go back and look at the Romford Sunderland Friday night threads in your own time.
Report Ravage Again December 8, 2014 9:04 PM GMT
Fair enough maybe one to twos point difference and odd one bigger than that but

Even 50 per cent
10-1 9 per cent

That's one he'll of a difference and you're just putting you're selecting at such a silly short price and that ain't " in reality" it's a fact Silly
Report irishone December 8, 2014 9:29 PM GMT
Laugh 

In all seriousness Ravage , you have recently made disparaging remarks about bookmakers , amateur jockeys and judges on here. If you are fishing then fair play to yer but for a bloke that to my knowledge has never put up a winner prior to the event on here , you have got some front .
Report dr . atkins December 8, 2014 9:33 PM GMT
wow i have never made a dog evens and its 10t1 if that happen i would walk of a cliff if i you kept on making dogs say 4t1 and they were going off at say 8t1 you would be skint in no time. most of the dogs i bet will go of shorter than the sp and also shorter on betfair if they did not then i would be skint simple not saying that all the dogs i bet go off shorter bet a very high percentage do.
Report irishone December 8, 2014 9:59 PM GMT
And fair play to you DR. As far as I know there are very few that do their own tissue on here . I don't look at videos instead I assess results/betting patterns . This doesn't matter though. Ultimately you are putting a different price on other peoples opinion, creating an under or overs situation in an attempt to gain an “edge”. We both are assimilating knowledge and hopefully interpreting it profitably. If you can pick them out that way then good on you, there is no right or wrong way imho , our profit is the true measure.
Report Ravage Again December 8, 2014 10:52 PM GMT
Towcestor bookies tick
Amateur jockey one just bazzer o Connell Hehe
Judges which judge I have had a go at?
Report Czechbet December 9, 2014 9:55 AM GMT
if prices are always going off shorter than you make them you have a big problem imo, your not finding the real cream

the real jewels are when you have found something nobody else would ever have the skill to pick, you make it say a 3/1 chance yet because of a poor market leader or serious eye candy pro loser runner you know will have hooked all the lemmings... you will get massive prices! had double figs loads and loads of times about something i've made relatively short, because i have gone to lengths no one else will or can go to when studying the race

i've even put enough of them up on here over the years, not that i actually give a fck about proving anything to anyone
Report Lightbulbs Fan Club December 9, 2014 10:07 AM GMT
I think everyone in the industry wants Towcester to succeed and the people involved have been refreshing ambitious and extremely professional in their approach. From all reports, the track sounds fantastic. My main doubt is that it remains a greyhound track that is completely inaccessible and won't attract crowds on a regular basis....b/the betting ring is made up of clueless layers who have no idea about dog racing (how on earth Steve Joel can be overlooked is hard to believe imo...he would be an excellent asset)...c/150pc will be the norm...on the opening night they had a huge crowd and a vibrant betfair market to get their prices off or hedge into...why on earth are they going to bet into 110pc on a "normal" deserted night in the middle of Feb?.....the truth is, we all hope and pray it works...lets hope its still going in 2 years time
Report irishone December 9, 2014 10:12 AM GMT
"i have gone to lengths no one else will or can go to when studying the race"

couldn't agree more
Report wondersobright December 9, 2014 1:04 PM GMT
if you make a dog evens when it is 10/1 on here then you need a serious rethink about how you are pricing up races

to go evens you must have ignored 1 (or likely more) highly significant variable(s) and missed the point completely of a tissue
Report wondersobright December 9, 2014 1:12 PM GMT
irishone  • December 8, 2014 9:59 PM GMT 
And fair play to you DR. As far as I know there are very few that do their own tissue on here . I don't look at videos instead I assess results/betting patterns .

think there are more people doing 1 then you might imagine
ignore woodys which is not worth a hill of beans, I mean a proper 1, I certainly do

I also do both of those things you mentioned and more but that's me innit Cool
Report patrick starr December 9, 2014 2:04 PM GMT
wonders can you please refrain from quoting irishone,i blocked the tool for a reason,cheers Happy
Report panda December 9, 2014 2:15 PM GMT
race Saturday night at newc 365 open 2 5/2 7/2 5 9/2 9/2 about 140% to cut a long story short I make 6 a good bet and 5/2 what shall I do wait til they all go up and it ends up 11/4 7/2 4/1 8 6 9/2 about 115% the best it's gunna get for all I care they could go 9/2 6 9/2 6 10 9/2 my bet is T6 9/2 is gd value and I wanna be on I can't lay traps 1-5 at there prices the dog returns 7/4 and gets beat but I'd like  3/4 of these every week pls it doesn't matter what price the rest are you've found the value but some of u just don't get it
Report irishone December 9, 2014 2:49 PM GMT
Wonders you show me a tissues that covers all the so called "significant" variables and I'll wipe my r s with it Laugh
Report irishone December 9, 2014 2:50 PM GMT
* a tissue
Report wondersobright December 9, 2014 3:07 PM GMT
that's what woody's is for ffs Crazy
Report bbc2 December 10, 2014 9:18 PM GMT
towcester prize money friday not that great
Report Ravage Again December 10, 2014 10:23 PM GMT
Yer it's good better than the average but it ain't mindblowing different that Towcestor management were indicating
Report bbc2 December 10, 2014 10:58 PM GMT
1st race winner 75 2nd 25 rest 20
Report bbc2 December 10, 2014 11:01 PM GMT
3rd race winner 115 2nd 55 others3rd 40 4th 30
Report bbc2 December 10, 2014 11:03 PM GMT
open winner 200 2nd 50 others 40
Report patrick starr December 10, 2014 11:44 PM GMT
Its around the levels they suggested it would be to the owners that went there for the open day.

There is a review of prizemoney with teh trainers scheduled for early next year following the rewarding of the bags contract.
Report bbc2 December 11, 2014 8:59 AM GMT
was hoping towcester would become the flag ship and get prize money overall to a new level
Report LoyalHoncho December 11, 2014 3:09 PM GMT
Good on you irish - solid common sense as usual.
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