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30 Aug 14
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but he bottled namimg names when hobbsy questioned him dont talk the talk if you wont walk the walk
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Strange dynamic there, Hobbsy appeared to be trying to needle PL into repeating something he'd 'already had a telling off for'?
  Daryl totally silent, of course  |
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all the racing post pundits gbgb none of them speak up for staff trainers and owners paul you did well tonight
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Yer though he probably never be on the show again talking rubbish like bookies are casinos
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ML 28.22 I think that's a TR
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Daryl would STOP a train
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Calling Farloe Compo the winner before turning in. We all know the dog isn't the greatest finisher over 480. Why do they have to utter crap when commentating?
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HOBB said whats this Gravy Train
Hes been sitting on it for the last 10 years |
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PL spot on...plenty at the Post have sat idly by while track after track has closed, ignoring plenty of "newsworthy" stories so as not to rock the boat and having no regard at all for trainers/owners or kennelstaff. They are content to ride on the back of the sport, taking advantage of as much gravy as possible imvho..
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a lot of trainers and owners are a little simple they fall over themselves to go on RPGTV run by bookmakers the very same bookmakers that could put in a lot more money to help staff trainers and owners alright hills put a lot of money in the greyhound derby but thats one race paul lawrence should have gone on and said a lot more but he did say something and i respect him for it trainers and owners should boycott RPGTV
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Hill's put up £250,000 for the Derby but dont exactly pay much at Newcastle for run money. £20. Pretty miserable.Most tracks pay £30.
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what did he say missed the show
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ROUGHLY ........
DW – “Its great talking about all these ideas (…for Dog Racing…..) but its getting all these ideas put into action isn’t it ? there seems to be a number of ways you can get more revenue yeah.. well…lots of peole throwing up ideas… why doesn’t this happen .. PL = the thing is ,I keep saying it and I have spoken to JK about it and I have started reading the Donoghue report and …it’s 156 pages ..from 2009 … these were the findings … are the GBGB actually going through with it all … and I suspect that there are certain aspects that they are not so I think they (GBGB) need to be reminded. People need to be reminded , get a committee together and I can see Hobbsy is interested …. Need to get things in writing and say …well this is what we think ..what do you think ? Then you will have a starting point . DW .. how long is that going to take ? Pl …It will be a long process, but if you don’t start it you will never achieve it. Its no good people saying we need more prizemoney and then sitting back and doing nothing…you have got to stick your head above the parapet DW .. do you think individuals can actually make a difference ? Pl …I do of course I do, if you can get together, if not its going to end up gone...Ok ....we are not having any racing then, you listen to me, they keep threatening strikes and one day there will be a strike. DW .. I cant imagine that will ever happen paul, because at the end of the day… PL ..well if it doesn’t it will only go one way daryl DW that’s the worry, Pl there are too many people on the gravy train and they don’t want to stick their heads above the parapet and get things done JH – where's this gravy train ? I am slightly concerned who is on this gravy train, is it the media then ? or the track promoters? PL I dont really wont to go on this …I am not trying to spout what i'm trying to do is, we are trying to generate ideas, JH – who do you think is making serious money out of greyhound racing ? Pl – hobbsy please …. not really going to go down that I because I have just got a telling off so I am not, not really going to go down that JH .. the bookmakers aside..who is making bundles out of greyhound racing ? PL I am not saying bundles , I am saying JH so who is actually making extraordinary amounts of money then ? Pl I am not going to go down that road now JH you can tell me privately Pl I would just like to get some dialogue going get heads togetter, get ideas down on paper, in writing, lets say well come on then lets say who is responsible. Who is responsible for making the decisions. JH GBGB can only advise, they don’t have the power because they don’t own the tracks. They can only advise they cannot , they cannot say categorically PL so you are going back to the same people then. You just mention their names , you are going back to the same people again, but you are not allowed to criticise. The bookmakers , they are the ones. It says in the Donoghue report 99% of funding comes from bags racing. Which is probrably going to change now because of sky and the racing post channel. JH – so what you are saying is more money has to come in, PL - of course it does JH - Which we can agree on absolutely, but the gravy train ? are there greyhound people actually on this gravy train ,which is the inference that a lot of people misguidedly give , because that is not the case ? PL Johnathan please ? JH – Even if you are working for the gbgb , I dont think they are extraordinary wages, there may be one or two people in authority at the top end , you look at any big business, the top end are always going to get paid more than the rest of us who work average jobs, it’s a fact of life Pl a agree with that JH whether they are in that position of power where they should be thats a different matter PL now you are talking JH – I see where you are coming from I was just trying to eek that out of you because I didn’t know if it was the media , or track promoter PL – we need to get heads together and things written down on paper JH so you are suggesting that the people in authority are getting paid far too much Pl to a certain extent ...... |
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SKY PRESENTER Jim White apparently earns 150,000 a year . OK Hobbsy lets be honest about this, you are copping a grand plus every night AT LEAST when you do a sky night, not to mention at least half that for three hours work on an RPGTV once a week. meanwhile the sport ... that you and the bookmakers and the GBGB are making it out of dwindles away .... hope this helps .
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Never saw the show so that made very interesting reading for me. I have never heard JH so animated before on Greyhound politics. I can't see them inviting PL back though. Did they not mention non payers from the industry such as betfair and the other off shore bookmakers?
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Probably did later Sparrow but more interested in watching the races on the vids to be honest.
So What can we glean from all this ..... there are some top people at the GBGB who are earning big money for ADVISING the sport ? FFS what a mess  |
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Interesting that JH made the link between the media and the gravy train,that suggestion didnt come from PL.That implies JH ,whether he is riding the train or not, is aware of the RP journos failings
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All very noble but isn't Paul drinking/eating from the gravy train himself by taking wages from a bookmaker funded channel and also doing commentaries in the shops for the despicable magic sign.
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Paul knows the other side of the story only too well, he has worked unceasingly for retired greyhounds, he is in a better place to judge the future of racing and lets be fair he ain't wrong is he ?
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I should think so too, his income comes from greyhound racing via the bookmakers, he knows no greyhound racing no job, all I am saying is the dogs has given him a living so he is protecting his livelyhood, but please dont put him on the moral high ground for stating the obvious when he is a gravytrainer himself.
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" he knows no greyhound racing no job" ... what exactly does that mean please ?
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he is speaking up for greyhound racing and could lose his job for doing so what do the racing post boys do get in the dogs on a press pass free food when theres a big meeting on why dont the racing post give julie a job she does care about greyhounds and racing and thinks of ways of making money for the retired greyhounds
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missed what was said but fair play PL for having the b0ll0cks to speak out
some total fcking tw@ts about in this game, PL aint 1 of them imo |
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I think pl was making the observation as in promoters helping themselves to the sports money rather than greyhound reporters(lets not sully the name of journalism,by calling them journalists,they arent) taking money from the sport. I dont doubt he feels some of his colleagues take the pi55 out of the sport also but i think the crux of his point was promoters basically pilfering the sports funds for their own ends.
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If greyhound racing disappears no punditry jobs or commentary work unless he lowers himself to commentate on the virtuals like Ian Meek at joe's
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if people dont speak up to halt the inherent corruption of the current board charged with looking after the interests of the sport the sport is down the pan anyway,better to go down swinging imo
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I think at the time hobbsy took it to mean that pl was talking about the likes of himself as "being aboard the gravy train",hence hobbsy for once got off the fence and was clearly narked at this inference.
i think he misunderstood pl's point though. I thought what was quite telling was how quick the normally mild mannered midget suddenly started swinging when he thought,what he clearly regards as his seat on the train judging by his reaction,was in danger of being launched through the window and his future as a midget ben dover beckoned. |
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he's a douchebag pat, the original bisto driver, gets by in life arse licking anyone and everyone
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wonders there's a transcript above earlier in the thread
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Hope PL hasn't put his position at risk one of the few decent race-readers on the show. He speaks a language most serious punters understand and seems to have a sense of humour to boot. Alongside Jason it is always an entertaining evening. More of the same please. Good luck all.
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the telling comment was PL "PL now you are talking" after Hobbsy said "whether they are in that position of power where they should be thats a different matter".... then Hobbs tries to belittle PL by stating "I was just trying to eek that out of you" ..... in actual fact all the EEKING had just been done ... Hobbsy had ALMOST put his head above the parapet ! Slimey lily livered conman.
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cheers irish, just seen it now thanks
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It cant be right that the Derby crowd booking up the biggest restaurent tables annually with all the gravy trainers quaffing plus the sky t v roadshow making the sport available to millions when 85% of the flagship track is a pitiful sh1tehole , nearly all trainers are struggling to make a go of it and promoters can sell up and feck off any time they want to. The sport is fecked over there because of SHORT TERM GREED nothing less nothing more, roll on the trainers strike ... go down swinging as Pat says.
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hes not alone wonders,i think anyone with any journalistic integrity has been done away with at the post now across all sports not just the dogs.
I used to think that a man cant compromise his integrity for nothing but when you think and realise that these are real people with real families etc then its not surprising that they are willing to compromise their principles for the benefit of their families,i like to think i wouldnt do it but faced with a choice of feeding my family or keeping schtum when i need too then the choice becomes a lot more complicated and personally i can empathise with their dilemma better these days tbh. JK'S role as chief apologist has been vacated big style(i'd love to know where he suddenly found a spine from or rather who gave him one and why) and that leaves a big hole on the trade press side,as his and the other voices grow louder and those voices begin to feel a confidence in their numbers it does feel as if theres a bit of a wind of change in the air? The voices still have to be careful in not pushing beyond their current limits imo but each and every time someone like pl comes out and dares to push that limit a little further so the wind grows a little stronger and the apologists start to look that little bit more pathetic imo. Interesting times for me and lets not forget the deloitte report put greyhound racings worth to the bookmaker industry at £230 million a year(before pf,s irish derby picks that was though),not a sum they will lightly want to see go down the tubes imo. |
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Regarding Hobbs and The rest of the mob you have to ask yourself ,if you were getting a couple of bags a week for swanning round dog tracks etc ,would you be a little careful what comments you made if could cause problems ?
Its not JH alone its the lot of them ,but it is their lively hood ,so how much can they really say ? The sport needs money put into it at grass roots price money is attrocious ,I have a programme from White city 1974 graded winners were getting 30 quid then  fkin 40 year ago ..What real incentive is there to get new owners involved ? None No new blood into the sport no Dogs being bought ,no Breeders ,NO DOGS ,THE END IS FINNISH  its not that far away before a shortage of dogs will start to cause problems imvho .... |
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If gravy training is all about keeping yer mouth shut, towing the line , being a yes man , looking after number one (albeit your family) then god help your greyhound racing over there.
No business or organisation thrived because it was full of yes men. What is clear is that dialogue has been deserted. People fighting for their corner, speaking out against wrongs, highlighting others errors and weaknesses is what democracy was founded upon. You have a ruck, you get over it, you move on..its called learning and growing stronger, what the feck ever happened to “GREAT” Britain. If I ever thought I had to be a yes man because my family needed a crust , my family would disown me, I'd tell them to stick their job up their r s and my family would be the first to support me. The fact is they are con men .... not only conning their employers BUT worse and more importantly THEMSELVES ! rant over |
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the simple trainers and owners that go on RPGTV must say to friends did you see me on t.v last night pmsl at them its like getting mug by someone then going on holiday with them boycott it you stupid trainers and owners
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I think that trainers going on RPTV is good for them to get a bit of publicity, I'd much rather watch a trainer
on the Programme than some "Bertie Big Balls" punter... They're the hey everybody look at me on the Telly types!!! Trainers are all together in trying to keep the sport going (as Casemoney says, there is going to be a big lack of dogs soon) All this talk of strikes and boycotts do no one any good!!! Trainers need the sport to survive for their living... Punters can just bet on something else!!! |
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some trainers should watch that peter sellers film IM ALRIGHT JACK
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