Injuries at Hove

Doesn't every track over there have a vets report that highlights these injuries ?
I'm sure I read the Wimbledon one a few years ago now, went on about preponderance of split webs caused by clinker from speedway track.

farloe Ironman broke a hock at Hove tonight. That is an awful lot of injuries, especially hocks,  in a short period of time

not only the above betty, with which i agree entirely
but the dogs heading out towards the hare rail off the last bend is a concern
i wonder if any of the injuries previously referred to were caused by this ?

Irishone.
No. The unfortunate injuries that have happened in recent weeks have occured before the fourth bend.

Cheers

Just been told today another hock and two shoulders on today's BAGS card. There is something seriously wrong and all appear to be happening between 1st and 2nd bend

Sorry but this is disgraceful , GBGB, RSPCA should all be on the case BY NOW, I'm not an ABS by any means but this shows the sport up and gives them more ammo !

As an add on.  Farloe Wolverine fractured a hock on Thursday and Sleeping Oscar went badly wrong today.

This is getting ridiculous

Awful stats. And this is my favourite track for getting a fair run. Hmmm..

Fractured bones 2 - "Trainers can’t work out why they get so many injuries, particularly metacarpal and metatarsal fractures and hock fractures, when their dogs return to racing. So often it is because they have galloped the dogs repeatedly on a straight gallop. They then trial the dogs on a track and get fractures at the second bend. This is because there has been incorrect bone remodelling. It is the same scenario when a dog arrives in England from Ireland. He sits on the bed for a couple of weeks and then is asked to tackle a track that he has not been adapted to run on. How often do you hear of dogs breaking hocks in their first or second trial and then they try to claim that the dog must have been injured when they bought it? I would always advise trainers to gallop dogs around a bend, starting midway around the bend and gradually extending the run. This will gradually build up the strength in the bones and help prevent injury. Remember, bone remodelling is an on-going condition - nature’s way of helping a dog to adapt. Within about a month without stress, the bones will revert back to normal and that makes them vulnerable - it is called reverse re-modelling.”

the above article from a vet called Alessandro Piras, it would be interesting to see the stats on the poor dogs injured

Piras is a superb vet

All the big guns used to talk about him as THE vet. I hope Im on about the right fella as it is years since I owned them. If it is him, he knows his stuff.

Fractured bones 2 - "Trainers can’t work out why they get so many injuries, particularly metacarpal and metatarsal fractures and hock fractures, when their dogs return to racing. So often it is because they have galloped the dogs repeatedly on a straight gallop. They then trial the dogs on a track and get fractures at the second bend. This is because there has been incorrect bone remodelling. It is the same scenario when a dog arrives in England from Ireland. He sits on the bed for a couple of weeks and then is asked to tackle a track that he has not been adapted to run on. How often do you hear of dogs breaking hocks in their first or second trial and then they try to claim that the dog must have been injured when they bought it? I would always advise trainers to gallop dogs around a bend, starting midway around the bend and gradually extending the run. This will gradually build up the strength in the bones and help prevent injury. Remember, bone remodelling is an on-going condition - nature’s way of helping a dog to adapt. Within about a month without stress, the bones will revert back to normal and that makes them vulnerable - it is called reverse re-modelling.”

Hardly any of these dogs getting injured are new dogs though and the majority have had plenty of race experience at the track.

However, having written to the GBGB and heard nothing in return some of the owners i have spoken to are deciding to give their dogs a little break until the injuries die down. Interested to see that very few Opens there this Thursday but that could because there are some sunday, but don't know.

I love Hove as track but the injury stats are frightening

irishone

just read your post on the dogs moving wide on the run in.

I was there last Thursday and the heavens absolutely opened and I think there was an awful lot of water in the hare rail, especially between the winning line and first bend. I got the impression that the hare was slowing at this point as it struggled to negotiate the excess water (just like a car would do on a floody road).

This could be why the dogs moved wide into the homestraight the way they did

The hock joint of a greyhound is equivalent to our ankle joint. The shin (tibia) bone is connected to the hock joint which then joins the talus bone (one of the bones of the paw). The fibula bone (splint bone) runs along the full length of the tibia bone. Ligaments on the inner and outer part of the hock joint hold the bones together. Each side of the hock joint has two important ligaments (total of four main ligaments that hold the hock together)

so the reasons for the injuries would be what then. The only two common themes are being pushed off a true line and then 'bang'. That would suggest sand depth or consistency surely

http://www.sportsvet.com/greyhound/GHTrack.htm

get the hove management to read this very good

agree with the points raised here,for what in shape wise is almost the perfect greyhound track,the track preparation is an absolute disgrace,ok i watch on tv but i have watched enough races to know when i am looking at what is an absolute khazi of a surface,for gawds sake,sunderland is a safer track to race on at minute.

With such a busy racing schedule coming up and salting just about to start (if it hasn't already) i fear unless something is done then there are more to come.

There has been nothing in the media either. Farloe Ironman went off favourite for the Derby for heaven's sake and not a word written anywhere.

Yes some owners are angry but there is a real concern that nothing is being seen to be done

patrick in way is it a khazi of a surface?

sorry what

drogba,dogs are missing a stride for no apparent reason very often i find,the first 2 bends and the back straight are where i have noticed it particularly prevalent,the amount of dogs you notice "reaching" for the ground rather than having a fluent stride pattern has definately increased of late,i have no idea why this is,its just my observations of late from a track i absolutely love watching racing from and betting at.

the run-in incidents this week(again i have no idea what was going on) just exasperated what i was already feeling and having read this thread has confirmed my thinking that the surface is not being prepared correctly at Hove at the moment.

Betty. 
  The Farloe Ironman injury was reported in the Racing Post.

Pompey Rat - my apologies I must have missed it.

As a Hove regular have you ever seen so many injuries in such a short period of time

First off, injuries at Hove need to be set against a figure for injuries at all other tracks. Without this information, the substance of this thread is invalid.

Second off, numbers and types of injuries at any track should, must and definitely be made available in the public domain.

Third off, and as a logical extension of the above, if Hove is to be a suspect of an excessive amount of in-running injuries then the reasons for, the location where and the types of should again be made available in the public domain so that this information can be addressed

Fourth off, all tracks, as indeed Hove once did, should produce a regular "Kennel Report" to be available either track-side or on-line with this information clearly stated. Then all sides of the debate could be logically and clearly based.

Fifth off, forget the welfare-tears being currently shed for a headline-horse currently being shed in the trade and popular press as he moves into a new home; greyhounds may well be more in need of this publicity.

boosup, the Donoghue report in 09 - a summary recommendation was that injury stats were compiled, not that they were made public. the tracks get stats from GBGB for their own track only, they are not required to make them public, which I agree with you, is ridiculous.

I seem to recall around I think 6/9/12 months ago there was project where new sand was laid at Hove and immediately for a few weeks there was spate of hock injuries and serious concern was raised then. Has there been any additional sand laid of late?

I dont agree that substance of thread is invalid without stats to compare to at other tracks(regardless of if stats are available, which they are not), if you're seeing dogs breaking hocks all of a sudden in volume including on TV then something is wrong and action needs to be taken whether this is investigation or otherwise. If you have no stats for other tracks, and then one month you get 50 broken hocks at Hove you cant say substance is invalid. The tracks are all different anyway with different drainage, length of straights, bends, sand etc etc - which is why at a very basic level you cant compare one track with another e.g on times over same/different distance(s)

Hove Greyhounds that did not finish and have “DNF” marked on their card.
Jan – Jun 2011   =  19
Jul – Dec 2011  =  14
Jan – Jun 2012  = 19
Jul – Dec 2012  (So far ) = 26

There is definitely something wrong !

14 of those have been in the last month but I have been informed that some remedial work was carried out at the weekend between the first two bends

and dogs like Farloe Ironman and Wolverine will not appear on those stats as they finished

surprised hove have not issued a statement

MAKE THAT 27 ............... Why no mention on RPGTV ????

Jaytee Monroe 6  6/1  15.80  (DNF) 

Comment: VSAw,CkBadly 1/4,FinLm

tbf irish,that was lame going in the traps

ah... maybe that where the problem lies patrick... the vet is blind ! 

Patrick starr is correct,Monroe appeared lame immediately leaving the boxes.

Another three injured tonight.