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is it worth buying a dog nowadays.Two of us are thinking of getting a dog to run on Belle Vue.If we had a run a week and say a win every eight races,what do you think it would cost us for an A5 or A6 dog per month,also where is the best place to buy one from.
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if you need to think along those lines......find a different hobby.......if you can afford a pony a week each and take the joy when it comes....then i suggest you look at the belle view trainers....see who is best for your needs....i.e. location, ability, personality.....go along and have a word and i am sure he/she will have something in the kennel that would be ideal.....
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ireland is the best place to buy a dog from
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if you know what your doing......graveyard for the inexperienced...
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hope this helps you would be mad to buy a greyhound
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a run a week
 a win every 8 days fk me if i could get that i buy some tommorrow, more like a run every 2 weeks, and a win every 40 days thats if your dog stays sound or does not go in season(bitch)and your dog gets lucky. this sport is just that, a sport, an expencive hobby, and if you take that on board, then you are in for one hell of a ride, because there is no better thrill than owning a greyhound, winning is a bonus, start at the bottom and learn the game, |
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If you are serious about going in to greyhound ownership, the first thing you need to consider is what will you do with with the dog when retirement beckons.
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"is it worth" suggests its an economic decision, and in the UK that appears to be a "No"
If you are over here however its a completely different ball game. |
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agree with Winja. If you want A5 type dog, then why don't you visit 2 or 3 of the BV trainers, see how they run their operation, meet the people and dogs, and ask what it will cost incl av. vet fees. this way you can also compare what each trainer offers you... (also less likely to end up with a dud if there will be ongoing relationship imo)
as flatcap says, retirement important, go along and see the local RGT kennel too so you know what's involved after racing, if you dont wish to rehome and sit on your sofa |
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They have an owners forum, so why not ask there?
http://bellevueowners.proboards.com/ |
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in fairness STARR he does say " a win every 8 races "....
a win every 8 days would need some dog..as well as some drugs. !!!!  |
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flatcaps point is the most valid so far imo
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thanks for the comments so far,we are not novices,my uncle used to run on winsford,chester,bolton etc,i used to go chesterton,cobridge,etc,had some cracking nights at loads of tracks,we arnt skint,just wondered what a rough cost would be,think i will ask on their forum
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dont waste your money on buying a greyhound
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First take no notice of the knockers you would think they hate dog racing the way they talk two of you split the cost not going to skin anyone a5 dog with a bit of age chip as chips gl boys hope you go with your own head
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i would also encourage you to get involved but the costs are something of a side issue when you do and that was the point i was trying to make.......the BV forum looks a great place for proper info but remember the joy also spreads to sundays when you can visit and take the greyhound for a walk and that is why trainer location to your homes is also important.....good luck lads
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A fabulous time can be had. Equally, many great times turn to grave disappointment and upset. Won't either encourage or dissuade you. As they say, think what may happen to the dog if he breaks down after his first race, the vet bills, and what you actually want from the dog/trainer. Remember, whilst many decent trainers exist, DeMouldy always said there are people with licenses that don't know an arssse from a tail.
I'd love to get back into it, but won't for many reasons. Best of luck |
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think we will give it a go,project on the go tho yet,will be after xmas before we are ready.We will start making enquiries soon at belle vue,think we would lean towards a young dog which could hopefully run in the 21.45 race at Wimbledon in late May or early June!No,only dreaming,bit dissillusioned with the horses although shown a profit this year,too many things to take into account.Like you say £25 to £40 a week should give us a few good nights out under the lights at the Zoo on a cold jan or feb night with a few winter warmers inside us to keep us going.Hares running,go on my beauty,how far!!!!
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How much is that Doggie in the window ?
(Dunno ... depends how much you've got to spend !) |
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if the money is a issue get few more people involved keep the costs down couple of tips for you in no particular order.
1 take the knocks on the chin and enjoy the wins and nights out they make up for the knocks. 2 dont let the trainer take the p155 out of you and if they do, dont be scared to move your dog to another kennel you pay the kennel bills so you deserve to be treated fairly 3 dont expect to be told any info other than for your dog and if you do get the nod to back one remember there not robots and can often still get beaten 4 pick a trainer whos local and enjoy the sunday morning kennel visits its as nice going to see the dogs on a sunday jump all over you and chat to the trainer/ other owners as it is turning up race night watching your dog run best of luck in picking which dog you buy |
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GLASGOWCALLING ,
your right , appologies for that, miss read , thought they wanted a win every 8 days , |
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Fine advice pocket pairs.
I'd add Buy a Dog, rather than a bitch (no seasons) For your first one, try to buy one already graded at the track. You'd then know what you are buying and avoid the cost of getting them over from Ireland and a month or more of kennel bills while they grade in. If you can't do the above, buy one with some form and ask some advice to see if you are paying the right sort of price. On the Belle Vue owners forum, ask about the trainer's facilities, kennel size, attitude  , and attitude to gambling. e.g. If they have lots of dogs and your one is not too good, it may well become a "bowl of grub" dog. i.e. They take it to the track each week and don't do much in the way of training. You'll normally become a better judge of your Greyhound's form than the trainer, so add his/her views to your own, rather than rely on theirs alone. |
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good replies and advice coming now,we would have up to £1200 for the dog.We do go to BVue a lot,but just to bet.If we wanted a pup from ireland nearly ready to race,how much would it cost to get it over here.I have got a contact in a monmore trainers kennel so as we are not put away by anybody but dont want to play that card yet,we want to sort it out as much as we can on our own yet with advice off some dog men on here,i think i know the good judges after being on here 9 years.Not saying we wouldnt by a grader but its a bigger dream with a pup,a bigger gamble i know but i am typing this on betfair so its obvios we like a bet.Thanks again for the advice,i might keep this thread going although the dog wont be purchased until after xmas.
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sainsbury,if buying from ireland,i'd budget £500 on top of the purchase price.
Months Kennel fees whilst trialling in. Transporter. Registration(though check if this is now free as i heard was going to happen). Micro chipping. Check over by vet. |
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sainsbury, i see you say you are buying the dog with someone else, make sure the other part owner is as intrested in racing as you
sound, and that they can be trusted to stump up the kennel bills regulary...the last thing you want is to be let down and left with the dog on your own... i am sure you will be fine, but i have seen this happen many times before. do keep us updated, and good luck.....glasgow. |
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buying with brother,hes been ok for the 42 years hes been on this earth.We still laugh when we go past Haydock Park junction on M6,he came with me when i was 18 and he was 13,me driving,excitingly looking over to the course as we shot straight past the turning and ending up in wigan
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glad to hear sainsbury, i didnt mean any offence just my take on going into partnership with a dog..sometimes nothing but grief when
going into multiple ownership, iam sure you and your brother will be fine.. i personally like stow judges idea about buying a dog that has already graded...but thats just my view...anyway good luck. |
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sainsbury without upsetting the irish sellers you have got more chance of putting the £1200 on the lottery and copping 6 numbers as you have them selling you a derby winner for £1200
pup= transport cost £80-100 vets bill to check it over wormers etc £50-100 6weeks kennel bills before it gets to race £5-6 aday thats if the dog comes over 16 months fit to race then it may be bottom grade or fail to chase granted it could be open class but as i said the irish know there onions and wouldnt sell somthing showing potential for that money as mentioned above i think your best bet would be to buy a graded dog off a trainer or advertised at the track maybe a broken up syndicate/partnership atleast you know its sound and running the run money will help contra the kennel bill |
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what out of interest guys were BF prices for warhawk and maestro? easily and continuously available on course warhark 4/5 and maestro 4/6
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sorry wrong thread
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things progressing but another question.We went to track on friday,4 bets 3 winners,enjoyed a good night.Met with trainer who we are hoping to put the dog with and may visit his kennels this week.Question is,if we buy a dog,£800 to £1000,no weekly kennel fees to pay but trainer keeps prizemoney. eg A4 win£66 others £20.If kennel bill is £50 to £60 a week there wont be much in it at the end of the month would there?,but still can not quite grasp the benefits of the project so far,still going ahead tho.
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which trainer did you select sainsbury?
chef |
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So Sainsbury, you would be buying the dog for the trainer. He will run it in races he wants to because his prime interest will be the prize money which he keeps. And the vets bill, who pays those? Will he run on BAGS and so paid via that route from the track?
Nice work if you can get it, free dog. |
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like i say,trainer says we can have a bill if we want to but we would be better off not having one.Work this out,A5 dog,£60 first prize,£25 others,kennel bill £46 per week,say over 3 months,12 runs,2 wins,£370 prize money,£552 kennel bills.Other way looks like we are buying trainer a dog,we proberly are,but if he says we wont pay any vets bills (within reason)its still our dog on racenight and on sunday morning at the kennels,advise me please,what is the best thing to do.
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"our dog on racenight and on sunday morning at the kennels".... ah in this case let the trainer have him
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thought the thread was "NEW GREYHOUND OWNERS"
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can i keep a racing dog in my own home irish,what happens when trainers paid a visit,does he tell them he doesnt know where the dog is ,the owners might have gone flapping with it last night
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Sainsbury ive owned dogs for 30 years and believe me if your worried about the financial side , dont buy one, ive had good dogs , slow dogs and one that couldnt even grade, the cost of running an A4/A5 grader will set you back about a hundred pound a month and thats if its on the card and running, if not its about £180/£200 per month. dependant on trainer. at Belle vue its very stale there, most so called trainers are feeders, a lot have been there years and have no enthusiasm for the game. two trainers who are enthusiastic are Darren Hampson and Andy Hayes, I wouldnt put another dog with any of the others, most of them dont even get looked after properly.And if your looking to land a touch dont even bother going to Belle Vue , youve no chance of getting any decent money on at a price, you will get halved even quartered in some cases
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So what about when the trainer takes it flapping without your knowledge ?
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