** Spoilsports International, Dundalk, Thursday July 12th **

Beggars Belief

agree incredible, but perhaps not surprising. also cos' the Irish want a UK component by putting your dog forward in forthright manner you might stand a chance of being accepted with your dog perhaps not being absolutely top class, and chance of big payday as PF says for one race, and at very least easily covers costs and have excitng and maybe unrepeatable day for owners.

Dont think the English got anything else good enough. Think we nearly totally depending on Lister and Draper for our top dogs and they dont like making the journey, dont blame them really. We got some very smart youngsters coming through, but struggling for the International. No disrespect, but the likes of Sawpit Sensation, been over before, Westmead Adonis, Derby finalist, would probably just be making up the numbers, if they went over. Dont know the current status of all dogs but if fit, would Farloe Ironman be possible? And, i'd like to see Slick Santiago have a crack if at his peak

1st place - €20,000
2nd place - €6,000
3rd place - €3,500
4th place - €2,500
5th place - €2,500
6th place - €2,500


I'd come over with a bloody poodle if i got the chance

I'd think sawpit sensation would be a fair enough candidate?

He wouldn't have done enough to get an invite i'd say but his owner/trainer should drop some hints, as Swayne has said it's supposed to be an International so you never know.

I don't know how much the travel costs to come over and i'm sure if a dog got an invite the trainer would want to bring them for a trial first but surely it would not cost more than 2,500 which you're guaranteed back.

Yeh,he occured as owner has already proven willing to travel,also,he equalled Blonde Dino's track record at perry barr,the last Uk winner(runner even?)

Nambisco ran in it last year.
Westmead Bolt the year before but i think he was based with Fraser at the time.
Ballymac Ruso and Kinda Ready the year before that.
Blonde Dino won the year before that, Romeo Maldini also ran that year.


With the constant complaint about prize money you'd think anybody getting an invite with a fit dog would jump at the opportunity.

ah right,what about alien planet?

He'd be interesting wouldn't he? Looks an awesome prospect.


Razldazl George will get in as Derby Champion, Milldean Panther will get in, Barefoot Allstar will get in as Scottish Derby Champion (if let take his place), after that i don't know. Maybe Kingo (Betfair 600 winner) and Milldean Tally (Oaks winner).

Don't think Sparta Maestro (Puppy Derby winner) or Tyrur Big Mike (Easter Cup winner) will go for it so no idea who the 6th would be, maybe Piercestown Sand (Gold Cup winner).

I wonder would Rioga be put forward or maybe Quail Hollow.

As it is it's not hard to see Dolorus with half the field and John O Flynn with a third of the field

Dont think youngssters like Alien Planet really cut out for International duty. But, yeah, been wondering whats happened to Piercestown Sand. English might have had a contender or two if the race wasnt at the same time as the Classic. An unlucky but sound semi elimination there could be a possible if its one of the classy runners? Dont really understand the Bert invite, unless it was extended before the start of the Sunderland comp, academic now anyway

Im surprised that the current favourite for next years English Derby hasnt been shortlisted 

Barefoot Allstar not runing

Reading on another site it's said there is an entry fee of €2,000 i never realised this and it kind of changes it a bit.

I'd still be entering if given an invite however as you're getting it back with a bit more.

will the rest of the card b any gud

It's usually a good enough card, it's only 2 days before the Champion Stakes starts and the day before the Corn Cuchulainn Final so hard to know

lets hope so can never bak a winner there  think the last time i bak the winner was droopys electrice

maybe things have changed, i always thought it was 500 entry fee

I've no idea mesi, didn't even realise there was a fee for this seen as it's an invitation (probably silly of me)

2k last year.

My bad still a guaranteed monkey back at least on your investment, not as lucrative coming from the UK if you wish to have a trial too. I still don't get the lack of interest though

RP today says €2.5k entry, refers to €17.5k net to the winner. Clearly money is good whichever way you look at it, but for any UK the prestige/pride of being associated/in the race is what would make it for me, even if cost a fair lump, which it doesn't if you get accepted. If I had a dog good enough/near good enough, I'd start a website promoting it to get in!!!

milldean panther 29.92
milldean tally  29.98

Swayne.........Rumour has it that the English dog last year was well looked after to come over.

2 super runs by both Milldean's.........the track would have been a small bit sloppy.

Razldazl George 30.02
Kingo 30.20
Shelbourne Geoff 30.20
Quail Hollow  28.38 (525y)

Cabra Millie (Graham Holland)
Kingo (Dolores Ruth)
Milldean Panther (John O’Flynn Jnr)
Milldean Tally (John O’Flynn Jnr)
Quail Hollow (Francie Murray)
Razldazl George (Dolores Ruth)

Wat a poor turnout

BJG....What would be your line up?.

That's diffucult to say as we don't know who wished to run in it.

I'll go though

1. Subway Ruth (Cesarewitch winner, Longford Derby winner)
2. Razldazl Rioga (Laurels Champion, Race Of Champions winner) probably not aimed at it
3. Razldazl George (Derby winner)
4. Piercestown Sand (Waterford Masters winner, Gold Cup winner) probably not aimed at it
5. Milldean Tally (Oaks Champion)
6. Sparta Maestro (Puppy Derby Champion, Larry Dunne winner) probably not aimed at it


Reserves::

Kingo (Betfair 600 winner)
Milldean Panther
Qual Hollow (Cox Cup winner)
Tyrur Big Mike (Easter Cup winner) not aimed at it

You can only put in the dogs that are available.......Quail hollow is a faster dog the subway ruth......panther was kept for this race.....sparta is not right.

TSR dissappointing last night PF
Needs an inside draw now doesnt it ?

I know that's what i said in the first line, if i was given free reign and all the dogs where available and no UK raiders where interested that's who i would have offered places too. Subway Ruth may not be the fastest but i feel those 2 wins, 1 a classic should have been enough to get her a place.

I would have gone for the big comp winners so that's why i didn't have Milldean Panther in the 6, nothing to do with his ability obviously.

Sure no matter who got in they is always going to be somebody not happy, sure look at all the furore over the selections for the Select Stakes in England.

I thought he ran alright Irish but yes he is always going to be his own downfall and unless he gets miracle draws every night through the Derby it's hard to see how he goes all the way now to be honest as he just dives left at boxes.

Even last year on the night certain trainers were still cribbing........very hard to keep everyone happy.........At least it proves the uk dogs are happy to run at home for peanuts.

True, loads complain about the rubbish prize money yet there are plenty of comps over here with good prize money but they've no interest in travelling

perhaps expectations too high for Sugar Ray, can never judge a dog re times and trackcraft until run in all aged decent open race company proper

I thought he ran well from the 2nd, made up a decent amount of ground on Razldazl Luke who is no slouch. The problem is securing a run early, he is so hit or miss at boxes and then is mad for the rails run up.

yep, I thought he ran on strong too, I think some thought him a superstar because he won an A5 first time out in a rocket time in April and he was sold for big sum. does look a decent animal but so many decent animals atm

I still think he will turn out very good but as you said so many good ones around at the moment

Fraser would have had him spot on for the a5.

Trap Draw
1. Razldazl George
2. Milldean Tally
3. Cabra Millie
4. Quail Hollow
5. Kingo
6. Milldean Panther

Boyles Priced up!!

George 7/2
Tally 12
Millie 9
Quail 9/2
Kingo 7/2
Panther 6/4

George looks a big price at first glance?

Brgds
Johnny

12/1 Milldean Tally is an insult in my opinion, with the short run to the bend she could easily go around in front on the rail (can see her outtrapping George and led Millie in Oaks final) and they would have some job to come from behind her

is 6/4 fair on the panther?

Not the best draw, short run to the bend, no i'd rather be against him at that price

with that draw (& partic with Kingo inside Panther) I'd think both Milldean's at c 3/1 more appropriate!

dose anyone know if this will be shown live on the intertrack

Thought the two bitches were over priced here, couldn't have stolen money on George

Maasive price on Tally.

Trouble is getting the price.

No chance on line and the shops will likely take a look at you and offer you much less than you want.

just laid me 50 on line

I get (Our Automatic Risks have rejected the bet) and get offered nothing. They seem to have culled a huge amount of accounts recently.

just got laid 200 at 12/1 as a total stranger, seems they are out to get this one!!

Billes bet:

Razldazl George 9/2
Milldean Tally 5/1
Cabra Millie 7/1
Quail Hollow 11/2
Kingo 4/1
Milldean Panther 13/8




C'mon Tally, thru the bars

Well, seems Tally right there with Panther on trial times, so good luck all. I'm more eager just for a big run Panther with Irish Derby in mind

6s with PPs

As razldazl george turned into crab or somethink
He track round be bang there !
Panther draw rank!!!

He looks about the right price to me on his running this year, nice draw though, Tally was double the price i had her in at so it's a no brainer. I think on everything i've seen this year she has the leading off George around the bend (although it's a short run up) and we know she can lead Millie around. If she goes around in front it would take some run to beat her as she will be even better at 550y than 525y in my opinion.

Panther will have to do some running to clear Kingo with that run to the bend. He looks to have as bad a draw as you could imagine.

12,10,8,6

I'd say it's about the right price now

Sponsors **** quoted Milldean Tally as a 12-1 outsider immediately after the draw was made on Monday morning but they have had a huge response and have had to cut the Oaks winner to 10-1, then 8-1 and now 6-1.

Meanwhile Milldean Panther has eased from 6-4 out to 7-4 and Quail Hollow’s price has also contracted from 5-1 into 9-2.

****’ spokesman Leon Blanche said: “We have had a lot of support for Milldean Tally. In contrast we can’t give away Razldazl George while there is nothing for Milldean Panther but there is good interest in Quail Hollow.

They now bet: 7-4 Milldean Panther; 4 Razldazl George, Kingo; 9-2 Quail Hollow; 6 Milldean Tally; 9 Cabra Millie.


might be something to do with the bizarre price you quoted, i see they go 5s now

As it stands, 7/4 Panther looking good now. Would strongly fancy him to come through against these. Hope so for my Derby prospects anyway!

He really needs to trap, short run up and stuck out in 6 he has to be taken on at the price in my opinion

Unless you plan on laying your bet off Woody don't worry about Dundalk in regards to the Derby, it has no bearing on it whatsoever

Okay PF, just like to see Panther run well as i think he will have harder races in the Derby

15/8 with PP now

Still nt interested tho

C'mon Tally

If i wait long enough, i might get 5/2!

interesting to hear Fortune spoilsports radio interview couple of days back saying how everything was against Panther but still picking him to win, I see similar in todays IGB article. me thinks he'd select Panther even if he was blindfolded. Im on Tally at 12's but on draw, + even though George is not super early at moment, something in back of my mind is saying Ill be kicking myself if he goes off 5-1 + and gets a clear. still would lay Panther all day at those prices with draw, fitness and trapping question marks against proper dogs(&bitches)

It's mad ain't it, go on and on about all the negatives for the short priced favourite and then still go for him

George is overpriced in my opinion, i made him 4s to 100%

Looking at the sectionals Tally must have absolutely walked out, 4.01 sectional only George was worse and the winner done 3.78

Fair play Murray is having a great year with Quail Hollow and Subway Ruth

Not seen the race yet but Panther beaten nearly 5 lengths. May have no bearing on the Derby, as PF says but wouldnt be surprised if he eases slightly in the betting

The Panther who is best priced at 7/1 with a couple of the shops is a joke... when you see ballymac vic at almost 3 times bigger then the panthers price is put in Perspective...as i said in a past post i will hold back until the 1st round is over and wait for any slip ups from the shops...

i think as of now this is a good strategy frank, I dont think anything deserves to be less than 16/1 for the Derby, given the breadth of talent and question marks over some, partic in early department

Have to question my strategy when it comes to Derbies. Often get big ante-post prices but doesnt usually pay off on the final result, i just cant help myself! . Take the English Derby. Taylors Sky would have been very big but never seems to happen for me, counting my blessings with the break-even Blonde Snapper. To coin a PF phrase, thrown quite a few darts at this year's Irish Derby already, like 50/1 Piercestown Sand, but think i need to find some will-power from someone and take a leaf out of your book in future Frank. Even regarding next year's English Derby got 33/1 and 50/1 Ballymac Eske, but really need start holding my fire!

eske is a proper power tool but I'd be worried a dog that fast potentially getting injured on some of the **** Uk tracks over next 10 months, think he's a top top hound but would not back him at 100/1 with so far to go

any video of last nights race?

With respect my friend, you could be skating on thin ice if you was prepared to lay Eske at 100/1 though

fair point. don't think I would

There are plenty of GREYHOUND punters who know there grehounds better then me lads but i find that looking at the heats of the big races over a couple of times there can be a gold nugget that some bookies miss out on when they put up there prices. .. a case in point was Tyrur McGuigan IN 2010 when Boyles put him up at 50/1 at the q/final stage 1/4 1st 4...i was like Usain Bolt getting down to boyles to get on.. i admit i did/nt think he would beat his big brother MIKE but what a e/w bet at the time.   ...i could be wrong but they both look a pale shadow of what they were....time will tell.

http://www.greyhound-data.com/play.htm?video=video2/IE/DLK/2012/DLK-2012-07-... Dundalk International Open 550

The 1st 3 all ran blinders

On Youtube too, dunno wat to make of the race, really only concerned the 1st 2 from trap rise!

agree 2 bitches ran great, millie would have won with luck of a clear run at 3rd bend, but you cant take it away from Hollow with a break like that against those quality dogs..but when you think about it he was on his 'home' track and none of the other are true breakers in terms of top top class breakers.

nothing changed my long held view that the only thing to do with the Panther for the Derby is too lay him, he is strong as an Ox yes, but he will get into trouble and just dont see him getting into top 3 each time up to Derby Final with his breaking and not being good out wide

Panther showed very little.

Was not really gaining on Trap 2 at any stage and you would expect more from him.

now i know the angle is bad at shelbourne for the photo but can someone tell me how the fcuk tp 6 has just won the 7th race looked to be 1 1/2l behind