please no more fighters

That's hurdle racing for you.

To be perfectly honest it was the worst publicity the sport could ever have received on a high profile night, that was an embarrassment to greyhound racing.

Let's hope bling bling don't start a war

Hobbs saw little wrong

screwfest in the final aswell imo

i have a feeling the hare driving was the issue in the final,theory being red was pulled off the track at 2nd bend by too close a hare9maybe slipped on the pulleys due to the rain) thenthe hare was whipped away in the panic as it was a mile in front down back 2nd time round

cabra has not broken into a gallop

If Cabra had won and then disqualified, Olivers Twist connections would still get the pot right?

If Cabra had won and then disqualified, Olivers Twist connections would still get the pot right?

If Cabra had won and then disqualified, Olivers Twist connections would still get the pot right?

If Cabra had won and then disqualified, Olivers Twist connections would still get the pot right?

If Cabra had won and then disqualified, Olivers Twist connections would still get the pot right?

If Cabra had won and then disqualified, Olivers Twist connections would still get the pot right?

If Cabra had won and then disqualified, Olivers Twist connections would still get the pot right?

Oops sorry! Bloody PC

astute as ever starr, it was a screwfest as czech says, but how much of it was down to the animals and how much was it down to the humans hare driving or track staff ? Don't think we will ever know

thought cabra could have done olly if it had kept its mind on the job

no 1st past post ,i feel i may have been hooked here .

No case , I have a mindblock here....surely it would have been in bad taste for the McNairs to take the pot if they had won and then disqualified for taking Olivers out?

If the 5 had won, then Olivers connections would have the pot.

The problem at Sheffield is not the Hare driver, as it is now all automatic. The performance at some of the trial sessions has to be seen to be believed.

Sparrow: Mountjoy Comet was disqualified in an open on the Flat at Crayford last saturday week, (31st March)

If a dog is disqualified it loses all rights in the race,so even if Cabra hadn won the prizemoney would have gone to Olivers.

Correct pompey but as for betting purposes cabra followers would hav drawn but all academic

Themadghost, Mountjoy Comet will soon be favourite for the Springbok, I would expect.

dont know which one was worst cabra actually having ago or olivers waiting for england when it hit the front

been waiting for someone to mention that !!!

Not sure about Mountjoy Comet for next year's Springbok, howabout Boher Legend? They should both get through clearing trials though, shouldnt they?

Anyway, couldnt they all just go for the Grand National?

themadghost, Mountjoy Comet was sent over hurdles after waiting in front at Henlow last October.Just another example of a dodgy character to avoid.

Sparrow: If Mountjoy Comet was schooled over hurdles after he waited at Henlow, why didn't they persevere with him?  Especially as he's trained by Ricky Holloway who, I believe, has a penchant for hurdlers.  He could have gone for this year's Springbok.

I think you'll find that the rule about settling bets at original results came about after the furore over "Not Flashing" being disqualified in the 1968 Derby semi-final which, if my memory serves me well, led to the eventual winner, Camira Flash, being promoted to run in the final!

themadghost, I would never try to work out Mr Holloway.

eAlicia what planet are you on the mcnairs only train the dog the owners Brendan and Simon put up the £2500 entry money and would have been entitled to draw if possible

As discussed on other forums, this is a grey area and one that im not convinced is covered in the Rules of Racing.

I've always been under the impression that if a dog is disqualified it forfeits all prize money.  Have they change the rules?

Thats correct, but theres no proviso, or so I can see, where as the dog that finishes second gets the first placed money.

Mash4077: I'm not exactly sure, but I've always had the impression that the prize money won by the subsequently disqualified dog is either given to the second placed dog or is equally divided between the other runners.  I'm pretty sure it's one of these.

An extract from an article in "the Greyhound Owner & Breeder", (about 1952):

Windows of the Wimbledon judge’s box were smashed by ‘hundreds of angry punters’ after the track refused to disqualify a dog for fighting and thus void the race.
The crowd dispersed when the police arrived.

That might have been Sail on Valarie in the Dorondo Marathon?

The Wimbledon track management are hopefull the broken windows will be replaced before the start of this years derby

Madghost/Mash
When a greyhound is disqualified it loses all rights in that race.If a dog wins a race and is subsequently disqualified the prizemoney(and any trophy)goes to the second placed greyhound.The dog who finshed third would then recieve the prizemoney due for second place and so on with all thce other runners moving up one place.

Pompey, while I know that that is the common sensical approach, remember its the GBGB we are dealing with here.

Can you show me where this is the case in the rules.

Reason I ask, we finished second in a race where the winner was disqualified. We were paid the second race prize money and when questioned we were told what you had put, that the rule says the winner will relinquish but apparently, there's no onus on the track to pay out to the second place dog the winnings

Does this cover it?

Rule 94 Repayment on disqualification

Any person who has been paid any prize money or other prize in respect of a Greyhound in a Race shall, if such Greyhound be subsequently disqualified for that Race for any reason, repay and return such prize money and prize to the Racecourse Executive or donor thereof as the case may be, who on receipt thereof shall pay or award the same in accordance with the amended Result of the Race under Rule 95.
The expression “the Result of a Race” shall have the meaning set out in Rule 140.

Rule 95 Forfeit upon disqualification of Greyhound

The Owner of a Greyhound that has been disqualified for Deliberate Interference in a Race shall only receive prizes and competition points as designated for the last placed Greyhound. The Owner of a Greyhound that is disqualified in a Race for any other reason shall forfeit all prizes and competition points. A Greyhound disqualified for any reason shall forfeit all other rights in respect of that Race, which shall be allocated in accordance with the Result.

Seems to me that the disqualified dog is placed last and the rest shifted up one placed and paid accordingly

I'm actually a bit sorry for the connections of the 5 - they gamely stumped up £2500  (essentially backing themselves at 5/2 when priced 5/1 in the ring) and gave it a go against a National winner.  In return fortune saw their dog disqualified and if it trials back will be under the sword of damocles.  I know fighting isn't a good advert for Sky dogs, but this is hurdle racing after all.  I could understand Hobbs saying that maybe the judge would be lenient as in such a small field and it's an invitational match contest.

Catford:  What! "Maybe the judge would be lenient in such a small field"!  I'm sorry but what a lot of tosh!  If a dog fights it usually picks on one dog.  So, he should be disqualified irrespective of the size of the field. The only example of leiency is when you are dealing with very young pups when they are esssentially just "playing" with the other dogs and will usually get out of the habit very quickly.  How did Jonathan Hobbs get a job in this game making remarks like that!  As for Sky Dogs image, if they're not prepared for this then they shouldn't be presenting the sport.

Madghost.. Hobbsy is the most Gutless presenter there as ever been.. he sees no evil speaks no evil.. Total Joke.

Catford. So should we allow hurdlers to fight as often as they want and just let them get on with it?

Mash4077.
If what you say is correct, the track concerned have not acted correctly. If the winner was disqualified and your dog finished second you are entitled to the winning prizemoney. The disqualified dog is placed last and all the other runners move up one place.
If you contact the GBGB they will confirm this and you should pursue the matter with the track concerned.What track was it?

Mountjoy Comet DID run in this years springbok.

I should know, I had a large chunk on at 20/1 to watch him miss the break and get murdered at the corner in the 1st round :(

Sorry Zach, didn't know.  But why go back on the flat if there's a big question mark hanging over him?

There was a question mark hanging over Comet from the time he ran in the Tony Morris Unraced Final (won the race well), i think most knew he was an accident waiting to happen at that stage.