name white city trainers

Cass you sure that was me i was a good boy well Harry Fellers the security didn't like me so could have been me.
Mr Memory Syd Mann trained dogs at Stamford Bridge he was there when it opened and trained till it closed

sherry prince.....Graham never worked with his dad he was head lad to Jim Singleton when the Mullhall brothers were there when Jim was running 2 kennels Harringay and White city then he and Gloria went to Powderhall Scotland to train then came back and trained at White City till it closed

Sherry Prince Harry Smith use to say i mite pick it up but i don,t have to talk to it  KIDDER

Mr Memory ..........  Syd Mann trained at Stamford Bridge from when it opened till it closed Sam Lockerby use to be his head lad

didnt sam lockerby go into the cookhouse

who was head lad to jimmy after john m

Kelvin, Us good kids u must be joking, remember the Clark boys, Barry Jonas and Tony Judge and Michael Rohan, long before the days of Harry Fellas (I know one thing old Colonels Rib didnt like him,), I remember the wooden hut with Old uncle Charlie Vowles and Uncle Harry as we all called them, I got many a clip from them, hope you are well and your brothers and sister.

I heard on the grapevine Colin West is no longer with Angela any truth!!!!!

Sherrys Prince yes Sam did go into the Cookhouse

ColonelsRib .......... Yes all the family all ok thanks thanks and were are you now?
Do you mean Dick Clarks boys Steve /John Steve i see quite often
Do You remember Brian Hiscock he still lives in Cuffley see him quite often
Iver Greygoose he is still around lives in Hatfeild
Michael Rohan lives in Luton i see his kids William and Dawn
Bary Jones lives local think Potters Bar
Harry Fellows as i use to live up the road from the kennels he use to hide and wait for me to leave the kennels at night trying to catch me being there after 11 pm i remember one night i foxed him i climbed over the gates were dads kennels and were the drivers had there office and he had the hump he came and knocked on my front door about 12 at night and dad threw a bucket of water over him at the frond door
Les Brain passed away and his wife Jan lives in Spain now
I did hear Colin West found a new partner say  no more ????????????????????????
How can you get in touch on here with people

Kelvin - I am in Cleckheaton West Yorkshire, on the M62 corridor on the outskirts of Bradford, on my own with three girls all grown up, lost dad in '99 (86) and Joe jnr (64) and mum (91) both in 2005.  Been here since 2004. Got my bus pass
Yes I remember Brian, Dad was head lad to Lou Hiscock after the war.
Also Ivor - I think Ivor was around Joe jnr age - is his sister Margaret still alive. 
Carol Judge and I think Tony as well are in America. 
I didnt no Les had passed away.
I spoke to Steve not so long ago
Thats what I had heard about Colin ??????????
I dont know about on here of there is a section but Friends Reunited there is a few of us on there enter GRA and a section comes up for them.  I often wonder what happended to all the old friends
Hope to be down to see Iris Clark before long will let Steve know when I am coming. 
Does Judy Dagley still live on Northaw Road West (the house with the big garden that Park Road backs on to. Think it is no 71.

Kelvin,

Been here since 1974 not 2004

colonels...
Mergaret is back in the uk now she lives near ivor in Hatfeild
Tony Judge never went to America only Carol
Judy Dagley moved back to her old house in Welham Green near Hatfield that was her mums house she renevated and sold again.
Were do i enter GRA in google search ?
Is it ok to put an email addy in here is it safe

http://vimeo.com/2258891

this may have been posted on here before,if so apologies,hopefully some of you may see yourself or old friends

just paste it into your browser

calling willfire your namesake was my favourite all time greyhound,i saw him come from 50+ yards behind over six bends at the gay several times -i dont think ive seen any dog,even the great scurlogue ever came  from as far back to win. any additional information about this fabulous dog would be welcome as i was new to the game at the time

Kelvin
Thanks for that info I wasnt sure whether Tony had gone as well as Carol.  Yes I knew Judy was doing her mums house but wasnt sure whether she had moved in or not, we was good mates but lost touch when she married her first husband.  I joined Friend Reunited and just put in Greyhound Racing Association Potters Bar and about 6 names will come up but you can also look up old school chums by entering your school.

I dont know about puting your email on here Ive only recently joined.

ARE THE HONEYMOON COUPLE BACK FROM SCOTLAND YET,BET SHE SPENT A FORTUNE he he he

Yes back,happy and spent only a small fortune! Willfire was lovely tall brindle,gentle dog.Made a few poeple smile if I remember rightly.

Did the groom were a Kilt !!!!!!!!!!

Did you work at Northaw Gomozkov? I don't remember Willfire being as good as Scurlogue, but he was a lovely dog, came from the same litter as Chief Havoc, Deans Pride and Show Cash owned by Steve Constanti, he also owned LaPasada. Kelvin....a good boy!! or was i mistaken!!

willfire did u have good holiday
   did u mention me to steve cud he remember me
were did u say sally was working now
are u in touch

Great memories on this thread.

Has anyone got a video of Sarah Bunny's final?

I would love to see what actually happened in this race.

Still cannot believe Desert Pilot did not win, but I can barely re-collect, still haven't got over it.

Yep, lovely and relaxed, got lost around Loch Lomond and ended up driving ALL the way around it! Yes Steve remembers you, it's great finding everyone. Sally Payne, the last we know went to Ireland, she did marry but no one seems to know her married name for us to be able to trace her. We know she came over for Ray Pea**** funeral and is still involved with these wonderful dogs, so if anyone knows how to trace Sally, or anyone else who was at Northaw, it would be great. Oh and Cashless, Chalky's name is Paul Newton.

Oooh how did that happen, supposed to say Ray Pea**** funeral!!!

whats going on, Peacock

Kelvin, does Graham still see anything of Paul Garland (Bones)?

Willfire  Yes they use to work 2 gether  Graham still keeps in touch           with Bones he hasn't changed much
Have you done that msn messenger YET ?

Was with a face yesterday you mite remember from the old days at Northaw  Bob Kerr ??

willfire
       thanks for the email hope you are well

Dont be a stranger Sherrys, where has everyone gone?

Colin West (trained Sherry's Prince)
Joe Pickering (trained "Cullen Boy")
Gordon Hodson (trained "Shady Begonia")
Randolph Singleton (brother Jim trained at Harringay)
Les Parry (trained "Linmaree")
Noreen Collin (trained "Super Rory")
Dave Kinchett (trained "Cute Chappy")
Tom Foster
Ray Peacock
Adam Jackson (trained "Patricia's Hope")
Wilf France (trained at Harringay)

the mas ghost
             gordon hodson never trained shady begonia
the was norman oliver ha trained in scotland somewere
you are correct about the rest
                                 regards

Norman Olivier train ed at Brough Park Newcastle he was a great trainer and brilliant with injurys

Beg to differ.  Shady Begonia came down from Norman oliver's Kennels, temporarily, to Gordon Hodson, (didn't last long).  Hodson trained him when he finished 2nd to Cash For Dan on Derby Final night when he broke the 725 yards track record.

Norman olver trained at Brough Park, Newcastle.

please ignore that last reply.  I missed greytom's message.  Possibly Oliver's best dog was Ramdeen Stuart, (Gold Collar unbeaten with record aggregate winning distance and, very lucky, St Leger winner, (Westmead County broke his leg 20 yards from winning line when 4 lengths clear of field)

the mad ghost
            thanks for puttin me right i carnt remember that

Were has all the gossip gone from here seems very quite ???

"Kelvin"..........Whilst I was working at Stamford Bridge on the football building works,I had dealings with John Anstis & the former GRA hare driver.

I was told of occasions when the odd dog was given an unofficial spin under lights.

Mr Memory
Don't no about that never herd of it and my dad was a trainer there from when it opened till it closed Syd Mann

"Kelvin"...........John looked after the track & was employed by Chelsea after the dogs finished.
He lived in Fulham.

Hi will fire are you there

Hi

Hi

My favourite track and I was a regular back in the late 60's and through the 70's. So many memories, but Mutts Silver and Jimsun winning the Derby stand out, and I also saw the fastest dog never to win it, Yellow Printer, who won the Irish equivalent.

cashless -looking-good used come on the greyhound forum and horse forum a lot have not seen him up on hear for a long time hope hes o.k

Shady Begonia!  What a racing greyhound he was.  Won the TV Trophy then went on to run in the Camira Flash "****" Derby final of '68 ( similarly to Spectre II ).  He was the greyhound who taught me what sheer class was all about.

Happy days northaw kennels had a dog with joe Pickering top heat flapping.Got a kennel girl to hold him up after two runs we where going to wait for a big nights Racing but joe rang up said dogs to slow after next race RM said take it away

There are few Missing from this Thread MDM

Wonderful memories on this thread.  Shady Begonia was a black and white dog if my memory serves me correctly.

Wonder if any of WHITE CITY BOOKMAKERS still alive lads ?

feck me gal
how are you mate
was looking for you at cheltenham
had the pieman in tow from regis ?
great to cya still about

Gary,was about to ask if anyone knew which books stood at White City.
I can only recall John White,senior.
His son stood at Wimbledon until recently.

Rothman, my father clerked for John White senior throughout the 1950s at White City. He also clerked for his brother Siddy at Stamford Bridge.

Southwark Star
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The bookmakers betting at White City when it closed, here goes main ring right to left. Joe Norris rep by Philly Herring Ted Craze, John White Stanley Rep by Tom Allsop Sam Earl rep by Phil Earl. Gap Pat Whitmarsh, Alper, Tony Morris, Sid Hales rep Ronnie Hales and John Power mostly rep by Tom Jenkins.Cheap side right to left Alby Parsons think the name of the firm was I cant remember was it Sammy Davis Sid Fry rep by Horace Simmons Joe Clark and Chas Raymond. When i first went to White City Joe Bennett was also in that bay Gap Then Alf Nathan, Harold Crockford Morry Pincus was also in that bay i think. Gap Steve Griffen, Terry and son, Walter Prince Bubbles was in the last bay with Young Harry and another bookmaker whos name escapes m

How about Hackney Wick.
I know Eddy Selby led from the left (next to the Off-course telephone).
Hutchinson and Doug Tyler also stood.

sparrow john white senior a very nice person cant say that about his son

sparrow john white senior a very nice person cant say that about his son

Never really knew his son mad dog but John was a gentlemen and a great bookmaker too.

true

Apr 2, 2018 -- 3:37PM, the.mad.dog.man wrote:

sparrow john white senior a very nice person cant say that about his son

Agreed mad dog, I never ever bet with that bloke, a complete and utter odious individual.

jeeeesus one post from the great gal
....

n the forum goes fecking mad .....

What on earth are you on about irish?

Clearly not a topic Mr Irish can contribute to,hence his reaction.

cant remember john whites old man , youre spot on mike

only went white city once
was packed to the rafters / best atmosphere ever
lauries panther derby final
happy days

Brought back some memories lads anyone remember the hot eels and liquor stand also Walthamstow had one at the first bend my fav dog at the stow BILL THE PIG think he was deaf always last out of traps be lucky gal

Loved the place,it was a rotten journey from Deptford on public transport, always taxi home if we won

many years ago stamford bridge 6 races then a cab over to white city on a saturday

I remember Desert Pilot winning there, the pace from 2 to 3 was incredible, think it was Pat Seamur in front, he just blew him away

Desert Pilot ran in the Derby final won by Sarahs Bunny

Stan Bowles the QPR footballer was a regular there when i used to go.

I totally agree about the atmosphere, best track ever.

I think it was an invitation race

1975 was my first derby final, tartan khan won 25/1, was 17yrs old at the time, i would say that was the most exciting

    times as far as atmosphere on the track. hooked ever since.

Steptoes dog wasn't much cop in his race!!

Yep GLASGOW, that was mine too.  Me and my mate came down in his old Capri trying to make a case for Tartan Khan at 33/1.  I had a tenner each way in Harrowers at 33's before kleaving - to ensure I was on. I brought a ton for him but frittered most of it away and was left with £20 and got on at 35's.  Simply unbelievable.  Myrtown didn't turn up and Sallys Cobbler, a dead railer and backed as if defeat was impossible,  inexplicably came off the rails early in the back straight and the rest is history.  There were two bedecked Scottish guys way up in the back row singing and dancing - were you one of them?  At Staples Corner we heard a loud click from under the gear stick and found we couldn't get fourth gear.  A selector pin had gone and we came all the way back in third gear.  Did we care - did we Falkirk! 

Misprint - 25's.

Brilliant

Mine was patricias hope second one which i think was a little earlier
Done my bowlox and had a good laugh
My mate had a ford van , he called it his ford fornicator ..... great days

Great stuff irish.  The noise at W.City that night was unbelievable.  The track was manicured like a bowling green.  The staff were all kitted out in white suits and caps.  Ger McKenna got an impromptu round of applause from the very knowledgeable and appreciative White City patrons as he paraded Shamrock Point - surely most ill-treated and unlucky greyhound in Derby history.  It is still an enduring and magical memory.
Afterwards it was reported that the trainer, Gwen Lynds, had repeatedly walked the dog under a railway bridge, as a train was booming overhead, to get it used to a thunderous noise.  I take it to be true.
The irony is that as a pup the White City management told the owner to take the dog away as it wasn't good enough to grade!

Khan was a Very Decent Dog beat a top class field in the Leger set new figures in the Final...

Good to read about Tartan Khan, I was also at the same derby, although it wasn't my first (Dolores Rocket was). I was a regular at the track, not only the derby meeting. Occasionally a mate used to join me at the derby and he always backed the outsider, as he did with TK (had a fiver on it at 25/1, a nice win in those days). I was on Sallys Cobbler and thought he was home and hosed, but couldn't believe it when TK finished strongly to win, although he obviously had stamina as he won the Leger later.

The first Greyhound i owned was Claremont Point (raced at Slough and Reading) and he was sired by another dog mentioned above - Shamrock Point !

A really good thread.

Memory is not always foolproof and mine may be wrong - it does go as you get on a bit - but my memory is quite clear about this race.  Tartan trapped much smarter than at any time in the competition then led, maybe thirty metres into the back straight,  and stayed on strongly thereafter.

There was a bloke who used to give us tips now and then, never wanted anything,used to say buy me a pint if it wins, was at Wembley when he told us Ellas Penguin would win at White City,was in S3 I think, over 686 metres? had £40 at 9/4, which as a youth was a massive bet, it won, pure elation, great place

LH, from what I remember (and i'm probably older ) Sallys Cobbler led at the first, but moved off the rail at 2nd or 3rd ? then TK slipped through to lead and win. It was probably the only time SC moved off the rail, he used to almost scrape the paint off.

1st
Tartan Khan
m
NOV 1972
BD
Spectre
Chilled Sweet
29.57


2

25/1

e.p., rld, led back strt, stay
2nd
Sallys Cobbler
m
APR 1973
BK
Cobbler
Pineapple Jam
29.67
1 ¼

1

3/1

fa, rls, mvd off back strt

Thanks wedge, maybe LH is closer, but I have a job to remember last week

seem to remember Tartan Khan had a few trials from sprint traps at Hinckley and timed it for when the train used to go by to get him used to the derby roar. Sad to say Hinckley long gone

White City 1943.

https://twitter.com/GreatestCapital/status/662055186295312384

God I so envy you older boys who experienced those days,just seem so romantic if you know what I mean.What I would give to have those memories.

White City Stadium 1946

https://londonist.com/dynamic/handpicked,london_in_1946

Scroll down 8 photos for the above.

just look at that White City 1946 it as absolutely rammed ,wonder how many books were there,I can only but imagine what he atmosphere was like,thanks sparrow.

You're welcome SGE. In the 50s when my father took me there were bookmakers all around the track as best as I can remember. Average crowd must have been around 10,000 on Saturday nights.

From wikipedia....................................The stadium became the Mecca of greyhound racing with tens of thousands of spectators attending meetings on a regular basis, particularly in the 1940s, and 1950s. A crowd of 92,000 attended the 1939 English Greyhound Derby final.

my grandad took me to walthamstow when i was a kid
told me not to talk to certain people
there had been a stabbing years before
dunno whether it was a bookie or a punter but he knew the gangs involved
i thought the place was brilliant but found out later
it was meant to be a right rough house

not walthamstow ..... it was wandsworth ..... shopping centre there now

I went to each of the following finals, i stopped going after the first years final at Wimb

1985 Pagan Swallow Phil Rees (Wimbledon) 9/1 29.04

WHITE CITY (500 metres)

1984 Whisper Wishes Charlie Coyle (Maidstone) 7/4F 29.43
1983 Im Slippy Barbara Tompkins (Coventry) 6/1 29.4
1982 Lauries Panther Terry Duggan (Romford) 6/4F 29.6
1981 Parkdown Jet Ger McKenna (Ireland) 4/5F 29.57
1980 Indian Joe John Hayes (Ireland) 13/8JF 29.68
1979 Sarahs Bunny Geoff De Mulder (Hall Green) 3/1 29.53
1978 Lacca Champion Pat Mullins (Private) 6/4F 29.42
1977 Ballinska Band Eddie Moore (Belle Vue) 1/1F 29.16
1976 Mutts Silver Phil Rees (Wimbledon) 6/1 29.38
1975 Tartan Khan Gwen Lynds (Bletchley) 25/1 29.57

WHITE CITY (525 yards)

1974 Jimsun Geoff De Mulder (Hall Green) 5/2 28.76
1973 Patricias Hope Johnny O’Connor (Ireland) 7/2 28.68
1972 Patricias Hope Adam Jackson (Clapton) 7/1 28.55
1971 Dolores Rocket Herbert White (Private) 11/4 28.74
1970 John Silver Barbara Tompkins (Private) 11/4 29.01
1969 Sand Star Hamilton Orr (Ireland) 5/4F 28.78
1968 Camira Flash Randolph Singleton (White City) 100/8 28.78

For irishone re. Wandsworth Stadium.           


http://community.betfair.com/greyhounds/go/thread/view/94094/30558855/wandsw...

the santinis they were called ....remember it was down to them that murder .... they were over the other side from where my grandad went he was a "senior" they had this posh area near the winning line as i remember just before it closed the carpet there got nicked !

I was a regular there every Thursday and Saturday night from the early 60s as a teenager, and as was posted earlier the pristine condition of the track throughout the year was a testament to how the track was run. The inside of the bends were returfed to keep the track in top condition throughout the year.

Anyone remember a greyhound Cash For Dan a very heavy dog in those days, he ran in a 725y open and it might have been on derby night, he was leading approaching the 5th bend when he collapsed, we all thought he had died but he eventually got up and walked away. I think he was trained by Geoff De Mulder but I may be wrong.

Cash for Dan


color
Black
sex
male
weight
39 kg ~ 86 lbs
date of birth
APR 1967
land of birth
IU Ireland or United Kingdom
land of standing
UK United Kingdom
studbook
UK-GSB NCC (89)
racing owner
Brian Belcher

T/R White City 880y 49.44 in TV trophy final.T/R White City 725y.T/R.Walthamstow 700y.T/R,Nott. 715y. 1969 Trainer Parsons - Leicester

Cheers wedge1.