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alby parsons was the first book outside that time bet in the name of sammy davies he was tic tac for john white still alive
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"whitmarsh"..........I bumped into Albie one morning last year in the Ruislip Waitrose.
He was carefully choosing some bacon so that one of his grandchildren could cook his breakfast. He was well & asked me to pass on his best wishes to Phil Magnus via this Forum. |
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mr memory is that old philly magnus hes older than me alby got to be 85
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"whitmarsh".......................You could be warm......I have known him for over 40 years & I am 75.
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mr memory you must know all the old faces izzy farr peter buffone the tissue man the simmons bros ebby joe the ghost alf greatorex goodtimes good memories
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"whitmarsh"....................Issy Farr was what I called the last of the White City old timers........a discreet man who kept going to the end at Wimbledon.
I got to know Peter Buffoni through**Macdonald............I last saw him at the first pitch auction at Sandown Park. I go back to Patsy Gaffney, Issy Daniels & "The Duke" who clerked for Tom Allsop at Wembley, Stamford Bridge & the City. |
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Izzy Farr used to do a very good card and Micheal Tabor backed dogs on the st rength of it .Yes i remember them did The duke ever speak ?Freddie and tommy Allen and Roger the son worked for Tom Allsop as well. Isaw Freds boy Micheal at Rye House on an open race night he was making a book at Milton Keynes.Fred and tommys dad bet in the name of Bookie Allen. do you remember Joe Dagle? Freddie thompsett another big punter at white city in his time.Talking of big punters when Tony Morris started betting there an Arab Prince used to send his bet downstairs in a sealed envelope and the Morris firm could not open it until after the race There was always at least a monkey bet in it. The selectin could be any price you like evens to twenty to one chance they settled up either way after the last so it was not a top of the book account in actual fact.
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"whitmarsh"..................I heard that two of the people that you mentioned in your last post picked up the tab for Issy Farrs nursing home care until he passed away.
I knew three of the Dukes brothers..............their surname was Wilmot. Was Alf Greatorex a bookmaker as well as an owner ? I seem to remember him telling us of the palaver involved in settling the Cup Final bets earlier that Saturday.......they tried to be efficient & made all the winnings up before the final whistle & put them in envelopes ready for collection...........it was a bit chaotic as the game was between Arsenal & Manchester United & there were about 3 goals scored in the last couple of minutes. I used to like the way Tom Allsop flung the chalk into the silver tray when a result went badly against him. His favourite saying was "Now.... I will tell you what I am going to do" |
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I believe Alf Greatorex had a betting shop or maybe more in Luton.Tom Allsop also used to shout as he went three to one an eleven to four chance NOW FOR ONE BET AND ONE BET ONLY THREE THE FIELD. He laid a big bet as you would know.
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I used to do four meetings a day- Hendon, Hackney, stamford bridge and either Wandsworth or White city in the evening. Is that you Mr Memory? coverered in tommorrows Racing Posts inside track. A 75 year old punter remembers greyhound racings halcyon days.
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"murlen"...................I wish it was...............perhaps I will buy a copy.
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"murlen".............I have read the article & apart from the honourable mention for Georgie Gunn & John Humphrys, it only appears to pick up the days of Scurloe Champion.
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"murlen"............I went into our local betting shop to read the article.............the Manager was so helpful that I gave him a bet..........you can guess what happened.
My Mother always taught me to say "please..............and thank you" |
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thanks for the reply Mr Memory- Do you still go racing?
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I live in Middlesex & the last time that I went to the Dogs was Sheffield in May2004.
I went to Nottingham Races in May 2005. However, I have managed to get to Dieppe, Pardubice, Naas, Leopardstown & Punchestown since then. |
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Any one remember Jack Huss.He was the authority on greyhound breeding in the fifties and sixties.He told me to back a dog called Shillelagh Lad when it went six bends I thought they were never going to go the long trip with it but when they did I had a one ten to forty it. Jack was right he was a walking encyclopedia about the longtails.
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"whitmarsh"..................I knew Jack well & we had many a conversation at Wembley. I was introduced to him by Arthur Milton who had got to know him at the old Reading track.
I may still have a couple of the sheets that he used to give me..........he took them everywhere in an old carrier bag. You will be talking about "Odds On Albert" next. |
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"whitmarsh"..................I see that you mention Henry & "Mini" Cooper on the other thread.
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Henry was a good driver he never drunk so a lot of people had him drive them Morry pinkus otherwise known as Nat Slavin was his china.Morry was the type of bookie used to bet it on the last jolly to get out of trouble on the night.If he bet five hundred to four on and it won next day he would say;I thought it should have been two on;Morry loved a jolly when he had a day out at the races but what a chaser he liked to go to Brighton if he backed the first winner he buttoned up if it lost he could do the crown jewels chasing.
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Any one remember Pauline Wallis who owned a lot of good dogs.She won the Derby with Faithful Hope.In them days the prize would have been about 5000.
She went to the U.S.A where the prize money was significantly bigger.She was the sister of Col. Tommy Wallis whose son Stephen was the clerk of the course at Epsom.About ten years ago he sent me a complimentary badge for Derby day.He is now clerk of the course at Newmarket. |
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Can anyone amalgamate this thread with the other White City one as im bound to miss something.
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I think Pauline Wallis owned one of the best dogs ever to run at the City - Yellow Printer - normally the Derby would be 12/1 the field ante post but the year Yellow Printer ran it was about 9-4. He was knocked over at the first bend in the semi final and was ,I think, odds on for every round.The only bookie I recall advertising ante post Derby odds was Billy Mahon in the Greyhound Express which finished when Murdoch changed The Sun from a broadsheet to a tabloid and used the Greyhound Express presses to print it.
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Yellow Printer,the flying fawn,sired Super Rory,the aeroplane,who broke the White City track record doing 28.26
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I believe Paddy Keane trained for Pauline Wallis. I was a regular at Clapton in the 60s and remember she had some great dogs although I may be wrong about Keane nevertheless he was a great trainer
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Paddy Keane trained Faithful Hope her derby winner.
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If I remember rightly Faithful Hope just could not run the track at Clapton and was actually beaten in top grade there following his derby win.
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I owned a Yellow Printer dog called Yellow Forge. He won a few graded races at White City.I sold him to the Slough bookmaker Freddie Honour,who had a number of wins with him.
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"whitmarsh"..........................Does the name "Kitter" ring a bell ?
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Len Kitter was a smart portly man who smoked a big cigar.He wore a yellow rose in the button hole of his suit.Did you know Alfie Katz the owner of Westmead Lane?He was about the time of Len.Very interesting to me the post on Major Percy BrownIdidnt know the link between the years and the letters.Talking of Major Percy Brown for years he selected the 48 dogs that would actually contest the Derby.That was in the days before qualifying rounds until 96 dogs contested the first round proper.
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"whitmarsh"............Len Kitter benefited from a good card.....a man to follow in when backing a certain kennel. I was told that he was linked with the acting profession.
I knew Alfie Katz well....he had dogs with John Coleman at Wembley............one Friday night after racing, I ran a bich of his, due to give birth, down to Gordon Holts kennels at Farnham. Alfie thought that I lived down that way, but he was such a nice fellow, I could not refuse him. |
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Mr Memory.
I am guessing a bit now but did Len Kitter own Halshas Hobo Joe and Halshas Diamond? John Coleman was probably the best trainer never to train a Derby winner.Just from my memory which may forget some I can remember Duke of Hazard,Kilcannon Bullet,Hypnotic Stag and Longvalley Manor. The black dog Hypnotic Stag was owned by Fred Honour,mentioned by Wood Lane,he would have won if he hadnt done a wrist in the final.Longvalley Manor a black and white dog,just lacked that bit of early pace. |
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if i remember right hypnotic made the final and wasn't even suited to wimbeldon. would have been 4/7 if final was at the stow.
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"whitmarsh"........I do not know, but I did know Jimmy Grant who owned "Duke of Hazard".....he was out of a Wembley grader called "All Brown" that Jim purchased for £400. The dog went over to Ireland & won the "International"
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Ionly went to Wembley about ten times in my life.Ididnt like the place
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whitmarsh
93 derby final video for your pleasure http://www.greyhound-data.com/play.htm?video=/video2/UK/WDON/1993/WDON-1993-06-30-HT50.mp4&name=English Derby 93 FIN |
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ttt for Wood Lane
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thanks wedge1 that is the year i had a runner in the Derby.
We went out in the second round to LASSA JAVA |
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Cheers for pulling this thread back up. I've really enjoyed reading that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R65GsJ6WnMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-s0r3It4fU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH0EV1R7jLg The lawns of wood lane :-( |