WGC HSBC Champions

Talking about rain. Thundershower here in Dumaguete City. 32 C

Must go looking for the local golf course here.\

Noticed a little support for Paul Casey. Has to be respected. Traded a free euro100 if he brings home the bacon.

The day before a fine tournament. Pity more people do not contribute here but just look for wisdom. That is fine but a bit of banter is always interesting. @ QUINCY.... LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR PICKS. My recent p and l on golf does not make pretty reading. Sport of Kings is keeping me green.

It will be soft yes but then it usually is at Sheshan, makes it easy for the good wedge players to go pin seeking when they lay up, while making the approach over water to the par 5's longer for the big boys. Three of the par 5's have water carries on the second shot, the 8th you have to carry off the tee as well. Can easily go the other way, just like last year with Knox and Kisner and when Bubba won it was Clark he beat in the playoff.

I will have a go buts its very small stakes for me. Looking for value ill take Fowler 45/1 Moore 55/1 Hun-An 80/1 all e/w.

Good Luck All  i think we will need it!

Oct 26, 2016 -- 1:49AM, therhino wrote:

It will be soft yes but then it usually is at Sheshan, makes it easy for the good wedge players to go pin seeking when they lay up, while making the approach over water to the par 5's longer for the big boys. Three of the par 5's have water carries on the second shot, the 8th you have to carry off the tee as well. Can easily go the other way, just like last year with Knox and Kisner and when Bubba won it was Clark he beat in the playoff.

@therhino..... looks like u are spot on . Sergio is better than most with mid to wedge. Hope I do not regret ignoring him in my bets.

@El Bandido...... u seem to have a strong hand after round 1. Good work as per usual.

Ill have a wee nibble on 2nd round leader market. I think 11/2 Matsuyama & 9/2 Fowler are the stand out prices for me, i slightly favour Fowler but its a split stake win bet  on each  for me. Anybody  have any  thoughts on this market guys?

I'm laying Young buck Berger @ 2.62 to win his 3-ball if anyone fancies a nibble top price 6/4 on the high street.....

I think it will take a tap on the ankle with a hurley to halt the gallop of Hideki. Now in the top 10 rated globally and does not freeze in the lead. I hope I am incorrect.

Hurts me seeing Matsuyama in the lead !!! Backed him more times through the summer and he couldnt buy a putt.

Will be hard to peg back Hideki imo. Hopefully Knox can tho!

Will cheer on knoxy for you frankie. Seems a fair price at 7.6 at the moment. Still can't believe he wasnt a wild card for ryder cup.

Catch Me ifyoucan  • October 26, 2016 2:23 PM BST 
THE TOP 50 OWGR qualified for the WGC-HSBC Champions in Shanghai (Rors beats Hideki) so that leaves Chris Kirk #74 as the highest ranked player in this farmers field.

Won't be easy

I am in the cricket test market but due to my lack of knowledge about the game, I am in a quandry after laying England early on for too much. Will gladly take any advice.

Ill take Fowler for top 5 finish at a bit over 3/1 on Betfair.

Superb win by Hideki..well deserved.Big player now!!

Big player now....have you not seen how well he Augusta ?

*plays

Was 33's

Seen plenty of him thanks,,never seen him win at augusta!!Putting not good enough for there,yet!! Putted well this week and made the difference!

His prices are/will drop for the majors next year but somme juicy odds still available at the moment im on e/w as ithink he is a cracking little golfer with huge potential.

2017 WGC HSBC CHAMPIONS


BACK AGAIN TO the gently rolling parkland of Sheshan International Golf Club, in Songjiang a satellite city almost 40km west of Shanghai for the 2017 WGC HSBC Champions. Only a field of 78 Players (seven Chinese) boasts 18 of the top 25 in the world rankings.

A very very exclusive Private Club with water in play on 11 holes, drastic elevation changes (most Chinese courses are flat) with undulating bent grass greens, four Par5's & the drivable Par4 16th where bombers (+ straight hitters) have a significant advantage as the course was toughened in 2014 & 2015. (note shorter hitters can feature - but not often & especially not in recent years).
Only just 800 members who reportedly pay over $USD 400,000 per annum in membership fees (highly restricted and a long waiting list). The back nine plays around a man-made island with 20 villas [i]each large enough to be a clubhouse and reputed to sell for as much as $USD 40 million each![/i]

THEY BET.....
Dustin Johnson  9 8 15/2 8 8 8 8 8 9 9   
Hideki Matsuyama  10 10 8 10 10 10 10 10 11 57/5 - 2016 winner by 7shots & first Asian winner in 18 years of WGC competition. 
Jason Day  16 18 16 16 16 16 16 16 14 17   
Marc Leishman  14 18 14 18 16 16 16 16 16 18   
Jon Rahm  16 18 16 16 16 14 14 16 16 19   
Paul Casey  16 20 18 20 20 20 20 20 18 22   
Brooks Koepka  22 20 20 20 18 16 16 20 16 20   
Justin Rose  20 18 18 20 18 20 20 20 18 21   
Ross Fisher  28 28 25 25 25 25 25 25 28 28   
Tyrrell Hatton 28 25 25 25 25 22 22 25 28 29   
Henrik Stenson  33 25 25 25 25 20 20 25 22 29   
Phil Mickelson  33 28 30 33 33 33 33 33 25 37   
Francesco Molinari 28 25 28 28 33 28 28 33 33 43   
Matthew Fitzpatrick  33 35 33 33 33 33 33 33 35 39   
Pat Perez  25 30 28 33 33 35 35 33 25 51
40's bar

WEATHER 21° or 22°, Precipitation 1% with partly sunny and pleasant days this week.

Ole mate Leish should be offended that Casey is shorter odds than him. The field for this seems to weaken a little each year, more of a sugar free WGC than a WGC. Think one of the form guys on the planet at 22s is a fair bet, not many tickling the fancy this week.

Agree about Leishman rhino... he's one of my two picks. Also fairly obvious but Ross Fisher has finished 3rd and 6th the past two years and has had a great few months.

LOL,signing in,the Hattrick...I am also on both,Matsy my third bet!

Just seeing DJ -5 after 6 holes. Must have been some awesome last 12 by him.

Well that couldve gone better,small pop Rose only runner!

DJ

DJ bot is malfunctioning

Stenson is huge right now. Had a tickle

DJ now 4.9

dj massive choke.

make that 11 and rose 1.3

Dustybin lives

shocked to see the DJ score this morning.Am now glad I was temporarily skint as there would have been a great temptation to lump on even at the short start of play price!

Comms were saying earlier this will be the first time a world no 1 has blown a 6 shot or more 54 hole lead since the Shark at Augusta 21 years ago

Rose does love a 3 putt...

Biggest choke ever? WD Rose

i know he was not number one but Kaymer was once 10 up with 13 holes left

found it               Martin Kaymer's astonishing collapse at Abu Dhabi HSBC Championship gifts title to Gary Stal
US Open champion moved into 10-shot lead with 13 holes to play but somehow conspires to throw away lead, to advantage of unknown French rookie                                                                   Was this golf’s biggest choke? Certainly Martin Kaymer’s remarkable capitulation from being 10 shots ahead with 13 holes to play to losing by two to an unknown Frenchman, will long be talked about in the same breath as Jean Van de Velde, Medinah and Greg Norman.

Kaymer wins

Congrats JR.

and they have the cheek to say these mugs could lace Tiger's boots.

he played a different game from this mob.

What a pleasant surprise on awakening with a hangover this morning.
Utterly embarrassing performance from WORLD NUMBER 1....Woeful display of bottling.Woeful.

Those in the know suggesting this era better than Tigers era,TW,Phil,Ernie,VJ.

Having a **** ing laugh!

TW 6 shot lead and loseNot a **** ing chance.

Bunch of chokers at the very top of the game,all of them!

There's no middle ground with DJ, he hardly ever shoots par

He is either very good or very bad

To be fair to him, 95% of the time he is very good

Could have shot 74 and still won

Just wish I had laid him

Only two men, Paul Lawrie and Stewart Cink, have erased larger decifits to go onto to win on TOUR - Lawrie was 10 behind Jean van de Velde in 1999 at the OPEN, while Stewart trailed Ted Purdy by nine in 2004 at Harbour Town according to Golf Channel (perhaps they mean from the start of the final round).

Dear oh dear DJ. I had mentally already banked the money !!
Last time he carries any of my hard earned

Armour showing DJ how it's done

Quite

2018 WGC HSBC CHAMPIONS

BOMBerS AWAY

Expect DJ Choker JOHNSON will be as popular as ever late Sunday nite ......as he fights with KOEPKA to regain HIS #1 Spot !

Course Experience may not be important as Knox 2015, DJ 2013 (Poulter 2nd), Mickelson 2007 (and 2009), YE Yang 2006 (Tiger 2nd) & Howell 2005 (Tiger 2nd) all won on their first visits.

DEBUTs for.....
Eddie Pepperell
Lucas Bjerregaard
Charley Hoffman
Matt Wallace
CT Pan
Julian Suri
Alexander Bjork
Andrew Putnam
Andrea Pavan
Patton Kizzire
Shubhankar Sharma
Jorge Campillo
+13 others

DAY and FINAU were T11 on debut in 2017.

NOREN 45/1 seeking a first PGA TOUR victory & GRILLO 80/1 are near the tops when it comes to putting stats, on these raised & undulating bentgrass greens.

Grillo's ball-striking stats were superb at the CIMB (T2nd) - he finished 1st for Driving Accuracy (85.71%) and sixth for GIR (84.72%).....more of that here please.

struggling to see why Koepka isn't outright fav. been the best player over the last few months.

think dj will bottle it again.

Bombers course yes but the plodders have gone alright. The year Knox won the next 3 were Kisner, Fisher and Willett. The year Bubba won he beat Tim Clark in a playoff with Iwata, Gmac close behind. Berger second to Matsy. Moli a former winner. Poults a good record so plenty of examples. I think with the wide open fairways they just don't get in trouble at all off the tee and with a good putting week the plodders can easily win.

Cantlay at 55s therefore a bet for me. Nice and straight without being short and one of the better par 5 scoring ratios last season. Best of both worlds kind of thing.

https://www.oddschecker.com/golf/wgc-hsbc-champions/winner/bet-history/patrick-cantlay

Where is the 55's Cantlay ?

RAFA at 40's may be more appealing

on here I presume ?

All this time on the BF forum and you don't even look at the BF prices?

Just check Oddschecker for best prices...... More an ew pundit in golf, as it's too hit and miss....ha...ha

Sheshan International GC - 7,261 yards, par72. A very very exclusive Private Club designed & built by Robin Nelson and Neil Haworth in 2004 (they also did the CIMB Classic's TPC in Kuala Lumpur) - it is tree-lined and features undulating bent grass greens with water in play on 11 holes - the 16th and 17th played over a water-filled quarry. Long-hitters and plotters have all thrived down the years (depending on the wind).

VERY WINDY ALL DAY FRIDAY (bombers away, if they can keep it straight).
https://www.accuweather.com/en/cn/songjiang-district/60807/weather-forecast/60807

Added Chez who tends to play well in streaks. Good showing last week. Of the faves I have DJ on side.

Tony FINAU shoting 66 (now second fav after REED) - “I played good. It played tough, I felt like the wind was up on the front nine, which was the back nine (even though scoring on each nine was virtually identical). I made a couple bombs, which was really kind of the story of the day, which kept the momentum up for me through my round. It's the longest golf course I've ever played. Only my second time back (11th last year) but I don't remember a lot of these holes playing nearly this long.”

Great score by REED (-8) considering he's only one under for the par 5's.

A long trek from London to make for Eddie Pepperell (back) and Chris Wood (neck) - both withdrew before the start - and end-up without getting to hit a ball.
The 9th reserve, Jason Scrivener was the only player available and got a valuable start (+3 today for the South African born Aussie).

PEP, the wire-to-wire winner of the British Masters - "Thanks to the brilliant Physio’s here in China, I’m now up walking. Maybe a career low today while laid sideways p1ssing into a bottle because I couldn’t move.....not sure how long I’ll be out for but hoping to be good for Dubai."
6'6" WOOD has a history of neck and back injuries, while history also suggests it is something of an ongoing issue but often clears up with treatment.
- so hopefully a happy ending for both

Stat says you most likely need to be in the Top 6 on the road to victory at Sheshan.

2017 Justin Rose – R1: 6th, R2: 3rd, R3: 4th
2016 Hideki Matsuyama – R1: 3rd, R2: 1st, R3: 1st
2015 Russell Knox – R1: 9th, R2: 2nd, R3: 1st
2014 Bubba Watson – R1: 19th, R2: 3rd, R3: 3rd
2013 Tim Clark – R1: 2nd, R2: 5th, R3: 5th


Top 15 players after R1.....
Reed
Finau
Schauffeler
Fitzpatrick
Aphibarnrat
Cabrera Bello
Fleetwood
Horschel
Pan

Bradley
Coetzee
Poulter
Rose
Scott
Wallace

Have a new name for Rory , its Rory 42 .

Mind you when you see some of the other scores from a lot of our premier Ryder Cuppers you wonder whats in the soup . Fitzpatrick tops Rory's round , 8 over on the day after hitting the overall lead after 4 holes , then Rahm 4 over .  Pieters 8 under on same day , beginning to look like a "jolly" trip .  Certainly days like this would not encourage any decent punters to place their bets .

And with a limited field they cant blame different conditions .

finau such a bottler. no wonder he's only won one tournament despite being up there a zillion times.

the sky sports Justin rose fawning has started early. "so accurate, sean foley, blue print, world class," insert as needed...

talking about chokers Fleetwood must be up there with the best of them. always seems to wilt when up with the pace, only when coming from out of the pack with no pressure on does he look impressive.

I take it all back, rose giving the rest a lesson in choking.

making tony look like a mental beast

concur wholeheartedly with the above..total bottlefest..bottling leaders there for the taking but those behind even bigger chokers

Finau the phenom has holed some frigging putts this week

This lot summed up in today's commentary ,only one player has ever defended a WGC title and that's Tiger ,just the 8 times.

Rose back 9 today was as bad as ive seen anywhere in years.

Anything half decent and he is out of sight,instead if that 3 back...

Huge squiggle for me still,thumped off Keegan then this. A dog...

Probably still win.

Deary me.....

Woeful stuff. It really is.

Rose started flaring it right again,just like yesterday when heat on...

After you...The whole day.
Xander 3 putt there beyond belief.

Top 15 players after R1.....
Reed
Finau
Schauffeler

another one blown by the uber overrated Rose & Finau showing precisely why he ain't no phenom

WGC?!..more like a 4 day end of season hacker's convention

Huge spread in the scores the top 2 getting to 14 under but only 20 broke par and plenty double digits over par.

Special mention for Bown Xiao who picked up £38600 euros for his 317 shots!

pieters had a 64, hole in one today and somehow managed to finish 13 shots off a play off,

((((2019 WGC HSBC CHAMPIONS))))

BOMBerS AWAY

Justin Rose (2018): "I think the par 5s are key this week. No.2, for example, and No.18 is also a pretty narrow tee shot. No.8 is a very intimidating tee shot. So if you can be brave off the tee on the par 5s, I feel like there's quite a bit of an advantage to be had. I think that's why guys like myself have played well on this golf course before because we drive the ball pretty well generally."

Winner Xander Schauffele played the Par 5s (-6) better than anyone else last year. Third-placed Rose was ranked T2 in that category.
Matsuyama also topped the Par 5 stats when winning in 2016.

http://golfbynumbers.co.uk/

Henrik Stenson tops the Scoring Average..... with Sergio, Rose, Finau, Phil, Putnam, Schauffele & Rory worth a mention in behind.

WGC-HSBC Champions 2019
Rory McIlroy   +600
Hideki Matsuyama   +1200
Xander Schauffele   +1400
Justin Rose   +1600
Paul Casey   +2200
Henrik Stenson   +2500
Tommy Fleetwood   +2500
Tony Finau   +2500
Adam Scott   +2800
Patrick Reed   +2800
Sung-Jae Im   +2800
Bernd Wiesberger   +3300
Billy Horschel   +3300
Byeong-Hun An   +3300
Cameron Smith   +3300
Jordan Spieth   +3300
Matt Wallace   +4000
Matthew Fitzpatrick   +4000
Shane Lowry   +4000
Tyrrell Hatton   +4000

Field of 78 • No cut

An official PGA TOUR event since 2013 from the Sheshan International GC, 7,261 yards, par 72.

Who’s playing ???
6 former winners, however it's not the greatest line-up for a WGC event and with no Tiger! - makes Tiger’s 18 WGC titles all the more amazing with the usual talent in those fields.

Rory McIlroy, 8th visit to Sheshan and he's finished in the T6 in five of them.
Justin Rose 2017 Champ, course horse.
Hideki Matsuyama top form horse.
Xander Schauffele defends.
Paul Casey 12th start at Sheshan.
Tommy Fleetwood 6th time lucky?, T7 last year, impressive GIR numbers but needs the putter to heat up.
Tony Finau ranks third in Par 5 Scoring on the European Tour.
Patrick Reed lines up for the sixth straight year looking for a Capt’s Pick.
Im on debut but T39 CJ CUP (won on the Korean Tour the previous week) and 64-67-65 over the last three rounds to take T3 at the ZOZO with strong short-game figures.
Stenson runner-up the last two years.
Mickelson wins in 2007 and 2009.
Sergio 2008 winner, Ranks 5th for Par 5 Scoring in Europe this season.
BH An T6 (CJ) and T8 (ZOZO).

Who's NOT playing ???
The other six members of the world's top eight - Brooks Koepka, Dustin Johnson, Justin Thomas, Jon Rahm, Tiger Woods and Patrick Cantlay are not (nor is Day or Frittelli).

Past winners of the WGC-HSBC Champions
2018 (-14, 274) Xander Schauffele – 1st WGC win
2017 (-14, 274) Justin Rose – 2nd WGC win
2016 (-23, 265) Hideki Matsuyama – 1st WGC win
2015 (-20, 268) Russell Knox – 1st WGC win
2014 (-11, 277) Bubba Watson – 1st WGC win

This concludes the PGA TOUR's three-week Asian Swing.

All seven of the winners this season on TOUR have led or co-led after 54 holes. That has not happened since 1979.

TEE TIMES & 3BALLS betting..... (LATE NIGHTS AGAIN)

00:50    Tyrrell Hatton Adam Hadwin Lucas Glover    17/10    15/8    12/5
00:55    Chan Kim Zander Lombard Jake McLeod    28/15    15/8    11/4
01:00    Corey Conners Erik van Rooyen Jason Kokrak    17/11    28/15    12/5
01:10    Byeong-Hun An Keegan Bradley Kurt Kitayama    17/10    28/13    23/10
01:20    Rafa Cabrera Bello Chez Reavie Ashun Wu    13/10    13/8    13/4
01:30    Sung-Jae Im Paddy Reed Sergio Garcia    7/4    9/5    52/21
01:35    Cameron Smith Matthias Schwab Yosuke Asaji    7/5    9/5    21/5
01:40    Hideki Matsuyama Paul Casey Jordan Spiethless    6/4    28/15    52/21
01:50    Tommy Fleetwood Adam Scott Henrik Stenson    17/10    19/10    2/1
01:55    Richard Sterne Paul Waring Mikumu Horikawa    9/5    28/15    11/4
02:00    Louis Oosthuizen Francesco Molinari Ian Poulter    9/5    19/10    27/14
02:05    Andrea Pavan Justin Harding Masahiro Kawamura    13/8    39/19    11/4
02:10    Matty Wallace Danny Willett Bubba Watson    17/10    9/5    23/10
02:20    Billy Horschite Kevin Kismyass Bob MacIntyre    6/4    11/5    23/10
02:25    Victor Perez Kevin Tway Jorge Campillo    13/8    28/15    3/1
02:30    Matty Fitz Haotong Li Phil the Trill    8/5    2/1    21/10
02:40    Tony Finau Bernd Wiesberger Shane Lowry    17/10    21/10    21/10
02:50    Rory McCoy Xander Schauffele Justin Rose    7/5    21/10    23/10

Sky Sports Golf from 2am Thursday morning

WGC in CHINA...….the third and final test of the ASIA SWING... (+8 hours ahead remember).

The first WGC event of the 2019/20 season with a HUGE PURSE of €10.25M !!! .....yet, just 12 of the World's T25 show up....spoiled brats !
€1,845M MIGHT be enough incentive for Shane to take down Rory, or the red hot Hideki. Lowry is also looking to close in on Wiesberger and Rahmbo at the top of the Race To Dubai standings.

Other European Tour members are also jockeying for positions in the Race to Dubai, (btw HORSCHEL is #54 on RtD) while a few others, the likes of Finau, Reed, Reavie, Kisner, Phil (must Trill) & Chucky three sticks, need a very impressive display (or possibly win) for a Presidents Cup wildcard pick (Woodland & Honeymoon Fowler ain't playing).

Horses for Courses comes into play - plenty of course history (+ current form) as this will be the 7th consecutive season at Sheshan, 14th in the last 15 years since 2005 (Mission Hills hosted the event in 2012)….. Look no further than STENSON (33/1 Uni) with the best scoring average around this track, 68.97 - while Rory's is only 71.44 (each made 7 cuts).....that's 2½ shots better per round mate.
Useless stat, but here goes anyhow - All 13 course winners have been within 4-shots and inside the T8, with 5 of them leading/co-leader, after 36 holes. 5-of-the-last-9 winners and 7-of-the-13 have been in front after Rd.3. Only one winner, Phil in 2009, has been any further back than FOUR after Rd.1. (tied for ninth and 5 back).

LOOK NO further back than FOUR after Rd.1.

Matthew FITZPATRICK -11...(9/2)
Rory MCILROY -10..........(7/4)......Since The OPEN ended, Rory played 34 rounds worldwide...scoring average is 67.6.
Xander SCHAUFFELE -9......(5/1)
Sungjae IM -9..…. …. …. ..(9/1)
Adam SCOTT -9...… …. . …..(15/2)
Haotong LI -8...…...…………..(25/1)
Victor PEREZ -8...………………..(40/1)
Louis OOSTHUIZEN -7... … .(30/1)

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Paul WARING -6
Matthias SCHWAB -6 …….. (90/1)

PLAYERS @ minus -5.....
Bubba WATSON...…….(125/1)
Kevin KISNER
Robert MACINTYRE
Tony FINAU...…….....(55/1)
Justin ROSE.........(40/1)
Abraham ANCER
Jason KOKRAK
Jazz JANEWATTANANOND
Yechun YUAN

RORY wins in a playoff at the WGC-HSBC Champions!

The reigning FedEx Cup champ claims his first victory of the season and 4th of the 2019 calendar year.
He’s already thinking ahead....DUBAI bound

McIlroy’s 18th TOUR title and makes history by becoming the 1st European to win 3 WGC titles.

A bogey free w/end too.... his Scoring Average is phenomenal this year

Bet there’s a BABY on the way......he’s a happy wee lad so he is.

Rory is the daddy !

You heard it here first!